Philipp Lahm
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Oh, yes of course, my bad. Totally agree with all 4 of them.
I don't see enough of him regularly to say. What other full backs do we have today that often get mentioned as being good players?
Adriano, Marcello, Abate, Alba, Rafael, A. Cole, Zabletta, van Der Weil, Richards, Glenn Johnson, Evra, Balzaretti...
Adriano, Marcello, Abate, Alba, Rafael, A. Cole, Zabletta, van Der Weil, Richards, Glenn Johnson, Evra, Balzaretti...
He's definitely the most consistent one over the last years. Though you probably find a better one for each of the last seasons. Marcelo last year, Alves in 10/11, Maicon in 09/10. Not sure if Lahm ever had a standout season in which he was clearly the best. Maybe this year, so far he looks great, his team looks better than ever before in his career, he's on the way to top his best season in assists and already had a few outstanding games. The cup game vs Dortmund on Wednesday is the most important game of Bayern's season so far, I really hope we see another brilliant performance by him.
Agreed with those four.
Muller is fecking brilliant. One of my favourite players outside of United
It's a thread about Lahm
Was meant to quote Balu on his Lahm/Muller statement .. Haha
Oh, I totally missed Brwned's point about Müller/Lahm.
Yes, but in a different way. Müller's work without the ball is more proactive while Lahm reacts to the player infront of him and changes his own game because of that. Müller just does his thing and everyone benefits. The funny thing is, right now, Müller and Lahm play together on the same side and both are putting up their best ever numbers.
Yes, but in a different way. Müller's work without the ball is more proactive while Lahm reacts to the player infront of him and changes his own game because of that. Müller just does his thing and everyone benefits. The funny thing is, right now, Müller and Lahm play together on the same side and both are putting up their best ever numbers.
Indeed he is. Still underrated but so many football fans, wonderful player.
HE is the best player on this planet. Call me drunk, crazy and so on. But he is world class since forever. Born to play this game.
Now a world cup winner. On course to become the best defender ever.
The greatest football mind playing right now.
Now a world cup winner. On course to become the best defender ever.
The greatest football mind playing right now.
Anchan might be going overboard (as he should be on such a night for Germany 
) but I too am happy for Lahm. I think he deserves more recognition than he gets outside of Germany in all honesty. One of the best fullbacks of the last 20 years, a likeable pro and now already a proper Bayern Munich and German legend, captaining the former to multiple successes and now his country to the World Cup. Not bad.
) but I too am happy for Lahm. I think he deserves more recognition than he gets outside of Germany in all honesty. One of the best fullbacks of the last 20 years, a likeable pro and now already a proper Bayern Munich and German legend, captaining the former to multiple successes and now his country to the World Cup. Not bad.Yeah, for me the best full back of all time, he's just so fecking consistent, does he ever have a poor game?
Outstanding, really likable character so happy for him to win the biggest international trophy. Not the best full-back in history for me, but certainly one of them. If he makes the team of the tournament it is three times in a row, has anybody else done that before? Only Beckenbauer and Djalma Santos.
Very neat midfielder but really he's a bit wasted in that position when he's such an outstanding right back. He's become extremely secure defensively and is also one of Germany/Bayern's best attacking outlets. Always seems to complement whoever is playing around him too, lifts his team's general play more than a fullback normally would. On top of all that he's pretty much a model professional, isn't he?
Suspect he'll age quite well too as he isn't overly reliant on pace and has the intelligence to adapt his game as he gets older. Fantastic player.
Suspect he'll age quite well too as he isn't overly reliant on pace and has the intelligence to adapt his game as he gets older. Fantastic player.
Has to be considered as the best fullback of all time for me as well. He is Mr. Consistency, I honestly cannot remember him having an awful performance. Incredibly happy that he finally lifted the WC, he has deserved it.
All time? I dunno. He's the best fullback in this century though without a shadow of a doubt. I've always maintained that in the time he has been playing there hasn't been a better fullback around. Anchan thinks every person on Germany is the best player ever tonight , but fair play, enjoy the spoils of victory my friend!
, but fair play, enjoy the spoils of victory my friend!Easy with the best of all time.... He's a tremendous player though, so complete and these past 2 seasons has pretty much been perfect as a fullback. Brilliant both ways, incredibly intelligent and efficient. Hardly a surprise to see him excel in midfield when you see just how good his reading of the game is, he's just a complete player.
Defenders usually don't get the recognition they deserve, but IMO he has to be up there with the best players in the world currently, based on how he's mastered his position. Basically no flaws in his game these days.
Defenders usually don't get the recognition they deserve, but IMO he has to be up there with the best players in the world currently, based on how he's mastered his position. Basically no flaws in his game these days.
Lahm is the German Denis Irwin.
Philipp Lahm retires from the German NT effective immediately. What a loss for Jogi Löw's 2016 EC ambitions, the German team loses its captain and only world-class full-back in one swipe.
Good thing for Bayern München though, because the ageing captain can from now on focus on club football and replenish some energy during the NT breaks.
Good thing for Bayern München though, because the ageing captain can from now on focus on club football and replenish some energy during the NT breaks.
Yeah. What a blow. One of the best footballers of his generation, and one of the best I've ever watched. He could basically do everything to a very high standard.
He is the best role model for any young German footballer, or any footballer for that matter.
He is the best role model for any young German footballer, or any footballer for that matter.
Surprised by this. Lahm's only 30 years old, he could easily have led Germany to France 2016 in two years time. Amazing.
WHY??
Well, this is shocking! He is still 30, could have easily played the Euros at least.
Suppose he wanted to end on a high, but he still had plenty of years left at international level. Consummate professional and one of the best defenders and players of his generation.
Apparently he decided to quit the NT as early as last autumn.
Perhaps he wants to focus on winning another CL title with Bayern München.
Perhaps he wants to focus on winning another CL title with Bayern München.
On the pitch this is undoubtly true. One of the best Fullbacks Germany or the football in general has ever had. He will surely leave a hole behind, especially because we have no real successor at the moment.
Personalitywise the guy has not only made friends in his career. His "autobiography" (who writes that at the age of 27?), which revealed intern informations and slandered former coaches (LvG was among them btw
) and team mates was pretty controversial to put it mildly and the way he took the captain badge from Ballack left a bad taste in the mouths of many people. Then there were of course some hilarious after match interviews like when he declared Bayern Munich as the better team in the German Cup final 2012 after being hammered by Dortmund. Personally, he was probably the German International which was the hardest to like and I´m not unhappy that his time as captain ended now. Hopefully Bastian Schweinsteiger continues his International career and takes over officially after being the most important lead player in the first place.
FWIW, I happen to know he was as close as you can get to a done deal for your lot a few years ago. Forget why it fell through, but it practically only needed a last signature and a medical.
Ffs people stop bumping transfer threads with stuff that should be in the football forums.
On the pitch this is undoubtly true. One of the best Fullbacks Germany or the football in general has ever had. He will surely leave a hole behind, especially because we have no real successor at the moment.
Personalitywise the guy has not only made friends in his career. His "autobiography" (who writes that at the age of 27?), which revealed intern informations and slandered former coaches (LvG was among them btw
Personally, he was probably the German International which was the hardest to like and I´m not unhappy that his time as captain ended now. Hopefully Bastian Schweinsteiger continues his International career and takes over officially after being the most important lead player in the first place.
Sorry, but this is bull****.
I read the book. Its a great inside in his careers and the "bad" things he tells about Völler and Klinsmann are facts everyone knew. Völler trained the National Team in a normal way at the time.
Lahm just compared it to others. Who is talking about the book now? Nobody. Some stupid media made something up for a week or 2.
Nothing there.
Bayern played fine in the Cup finale and we had a CL final a week later. Lahm protected the team. Thats what a captain does.
And he was captain during the WC 2010 because Ballack was injured. Then he was asked "Do you want to be captain after the WC?" he said yes. A normal correct answer.
Would he answered no all the talk would have been "oh he is so weak, he wants to hide again".
So, these are the truth.
To Lahm:
A German and international legend. Reached 5! semis or better in the last 5 big events with Germany. Got selected to the Allstar Team 5!!!!! times.
He is the greatest defender of his generation.
And I hope that he can become the greatest (above Maldini and Co.) with Bayern.
Danke für Alles, mein Käpt´n.
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Really surprising, I expected Klose to do this, but Lahm. With his intellegence and the fact that he is barely injured, I can see him playing on the highest level with 32,33 years. So Euro 2016 wouldn't be a problem and I think he could also be there in Russia. Good for Bayern, but a huge loss for Germany. It's now Mustafi's turn?
Wondeful player, and about as complete as they come, but not the best of his generation, no.
He's going out on a high by winning the World Cup. Clearly prolonging his career at club level as well, smart move. Fantastic player and has been for sometime. We should have signed him after the World Cup in 2006.
I can't name another defender in his early thirties who's consistently played anywhere near the level Lahm's been at for the last 10 years.
6th in the Ballon D´or vote. Brillant.
2nd behind only Maldini if you talk about the best full backs ever.
2nd behind only Maldini if you talk about the best full backs ever.
Carlos?
Carlos wasn't German so anchan doesn't rate him.
Alberto or Roberto? The former is a maybe, I haven't seen enough of him, the latter is a definite "no way".
Cafu ? Zambrotta ?
Why is Lahm in the transfer forum?
Fachetti, Brehme, Nilton Santos, Zanetti, Cafu, Djalma Santos, Carlos Alberto, Thuram etc. I'd rate these guys in the top tier with Lahm on the fringes.
Edit: That's not to say I don't rate him. He is a terrific fb and a brilliant player overall, right up there with Vogts for the best German RB ever.
It has to be said it is easy to underrate him as he is a fairly understated type of a player if you get what I mean. He isn't exactly a defensive titan with supreme man marking skills like Vogts, Thuram or Djalma Santos. Neither does he have an 'engine' and sheer dynamism like Zanetti, Cafu or Fachetti. He isn't a playmaker from the deep like a Brehme, Junior or Carlos Alberto either.
My point being that on face value he lacks that X factor and it is easy to miss out his understated work and style, which leads to a general underappreciation of him when it comes to pitting him against some of the very best FBs to ever play the game. So yes, there is a possibility that I could be underrating him in regards to his standing in the FB category for the entire history of the game. Although since the mid noughties, he has been amongst the best FBs alongside Evra, Zanetti and Cole (these 3 at various time periods but Lahm has been a constant fixture).
Imo he's an exceptionally intelligent footballer with a really understated offensive and defensive game. He relies on his reading of the game (which is top notch and makes up for his relative physical deficiencies) and is a very tidy tackler who isn't easy to get past. He is rarely found wanting positionally and barely, if ever, caught napping. Great consistency and it's really hard to see him having an off day.
Offensively he is a cultured player who is really good on the ball with economic passing and an effective gameplay. I mean how many full backs have the technique and a natural grasp of the game to play as a CM at an equally high level esp one making the transition near his thirties? Can think of Junior (more of a CAM) but that's about it. Zanetti perhaps but I'm referring to the offensive facets (technique, passing etc) of the CM role. It is no joke to play in a Guardiola system alongside some of the best midfielders in the world such as Svhweinsteiger, Martinez, Kroos, Thiago etc and not look out of place.
Great player and has a legitimate claim to be in the top tier of FBs but not top 3-5 best FB material like you are making him out to be.
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