Philipp Lahm

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fantastic tonight

solid in defence with ronaldo/de maria getting no joy from him at all

fantastic going forward and a great crosser

the best fullback in the world at the minute?
 
Immense? I think that goal is lifting him up a bit in your eyes. The 2nd half was a sleeper for him defensively. Özil off for Marcelo meaning Ronaldo went out right. He didn't too well in his moments against Ronaldo in the game.
 
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fantastic tonight

solid in defence with ronaldo/de maria getting no joy from him at all

fantastic going forward and a great crosser

the best fullback in the world at the minute?

You should watch him more often if you think that.
 
The way he basically erased the Madrid LB for the winning goal was a beauty.

Coentrao is looking very much like another player that looks great at an international tourney, gets a big move and then fails to live up to the hype.

A lot of what I've seen of him at Madrid hasn't been good. Even his forward play which was meant to be so good has been poor, the amount of chances I've seen him fluff is hilarious.
 
Coentrao is looking very much like another player that looks great at an international tourney, gets a big move and then fails to live up to the hype.

A lot of what I've seen of him at Madrid hasn't been good. Even his forward play which was meant to be so good has been poor, the amount of chances I've seen him fluff is hilarious.

I agree with you.I've seen him several times and so far he's been poor, Marcelo is easily a better player offensively and defensively.Coentrao is also a bit of a drama queen and a cheat
 
You should watch him more often if you think that.
i was asking

i havent seen him regularly for Bayern - when he's played for Germany he's been fantastic

with the decline of cole/evra, the over-rated marcelo, alves possibly he's got to be up there
 
Yes he was very good today.

But like @Godfather has said "You should watch him more often".

I've seen enough Lahm's games in the last months and this game today was by far Lahm's best game since months, he makes a lot of mistakes and is too many times out of position.
 
I remember years ago, all the rumors about us possibly getting Lahm, and he would be the solution for all our fullback issues - able to play either on the right or left. He then went ahead and signed a new contract with Bayern :lol:

Think Bayern had Sagnol and Lizarazu playing back then.
 
I didn't think he was that good last night, thought his crossing was poor and looked abit of a liability defensively at times. Like Evra get's caught forward and out of position at times. Like Snow said I think the goal is making him seem better than he was on the night.

I think if Madrid had turned up he'd have had a lot harder time.
 
Too small to be a defender in the PL. He looks like a ten year old who has sneaked on to the pitch!

Great technical player and intelligent too, but i can see him being a weak link and getting a real mauling at set pieces and long diagonal balls in the PL. How would he cope on a cold, rainy night away at Stoke! ;)
 
Too small to be a defender in the PL. He looks like a ten year old who has sneaked on to the pitch!

Great technical player and intelligent too, but i can see him being a weak link and getting a real mauling at set pieces and long diagonal balls in the PL. How would he cope on a cold, rainy night away at Stoke! ;)

Evra? Rafael? Gary Neville?
 
Ashley Cole is not big either. I don't see why full back needs to be big and tall in the PL. It could be a myth.
 
Evra? Rafael? Gary Neville?

Ashley Cole is not big either. I don't see why full back needs to be big and tall in the PL. It could be a myth.

Whoooosh! Come on lads, Lahm is one of the best around, i was being facetious! Hence the wink!!! :D

His deliveries were the difference in the end, had Gomez been on top of his game, Bayern would have been already out of sight!
 
Absolutely exceptional tonight. One of the best full-back performances I've seen in ages.
 
Absolutely exceptional tonight. One of the best full-back performances I've seen in ages.

Agreed, he's been immense. His marauding run for the third goal was deserving of his performance tonight.

However, his counterpart for Arsenal has been absolutely chronic. I've never seen the hype surrounding Sagna myself.
 
Agreed, he's been immense. His marauding run for the third goal was deserving of his performance tonight.

However, his counterpart for Arsenal has been absolutely chronic. I've never seen the hype surrounding Sagna myself.

Yep spot on with both players! Good post
 
Agreed, he's been immense. His marauding run for the third goal was deserving of his performance tonight.

However, his counterpart for Arsenal has been absolutely chronic. I've never seen the hype surrounding Sagna myself.

I think Sagna was good, before the first leg break. That took him down a peg, and the second one (just before summer) has taken him down several more.
 
This guy is different class, you could say he is the best RB and the best LB in the world! One of the best fullbacks I've ever seen.

However, his counterpart for Arsenal has been absolutely chronic. I've never seen the hype surrounding Sagna myself.

I think due to his injuries he has lost a bit of pace, also with his contract uncertainty his heart isn't really in it right now.
 
Something like Paul Scholes of fullbacks.
 
One of the best crossers currently in the game. Excellent at timing his forward runs.
 
Despite not following the Bundesliga, I've pretty much always been impressed with him when I've seen him (for Germany or in the CL). There was one game in the Euros where I felt he slipped up, but he comes across as totally consistent, a threat going forward, and solid defensively.
 
Giggs has produced almost carbon copies of that many many times.

Giggsy's version is much easier to execute than what Lahm did there. Giggs usually slides in with his right leg on the grass and sweeps the ball away with his left leg; Lahm's technique is more unorthodox and more difficult to execute.

If, say, Phil Jones performed that exact tackle, there'd be a mass wanking sessions on this board.
 
Poor defensively, notably at Euro 2008 & 2012 and world cup 2010.

I think you're particularly harsh on fullbacks and 2008 was the only time I remember him being genuinely poor, but it says a lot if he's the best fullback out there at the moment. I'd be interested to hear what the German/Bayern fans think of him compared to Lizarazu because as far as I'm concerned the Frenchman was better at both ends and he wasn't close to being the best fullback at his peak.

Giggsy's version is much easier to execute than what Lahm did there. Giggs usually slides in with his right leg on the grass and sweeps the ball away with his left leg; Lahm's technique is more unorthodox and more difficult to execute.

If, say, Phil Jones performed that exact tackle, there'd be a mass wanking sessions on this board.

His tackle on Bale was a more impressive piece of defending and it was forgotten about within a few days.
 
I think you're particularly harsh on fullbacks and 2008 was the only time I remember him being genuinely poor, but it says a lot if he's the best fullback out there at the moment. I'd be interested to hear what the German/Bayern fans think of him compared to Lizarazu because as far as I'm concerned the Frenchman was better at both ends and he wasn't close to being the best fullback at his peak.

I think he's the best LB at his time. Some names might have slipped through my mind, but who's better than him*?

*please don't say R. Carlos.
 
I think he's the best LB at his time. Some names might have slipped through my mind, but who's better than him*?

*please don't say R. Carlos.

You'd have to thrown Maldinin in there wouldn't you
 
^ I stand corrected. But I don't see how "he wasn't close to being the best fullback at his peak" stand. Maldini was excellent at defence, and Lizarazu on attack; where both were still really good on the reverse aspects.
 
I think you're particularly harsh on fullbacks and 2008 was the only time I remember him being genuinely poor, but it says a lot if he's the best fullback out there at the moment. I'd be interested to hear what the German/Bayern fans think of him compared to Lizarazu because as far as I'm concerned the Frenchman was better at both ends and he wasn't close to being the best fullback at his peak.



His tackle on Bale was a more impressive piece of defending and it was forgotten about within a few days.

I agree that individually Lizarazu was the better player than Lahm. Lahm's tactical awareness is highly impressive though. He's such a smart player and he makes up for the flaws of the player in front of him, all the time, and helps to bring the best out of him. Ribery and Robben consistently played their best football with Lahm behind them. Since 2009 you basically just have to look at where Lahm played and you know instantly which player had more assists and goals. He's one of the reasons why Müller is scoring for fun this season as well, while he struggled for the first part of last season, when Lahm was playing on the left. Podolski is another example, he never looked out of place in the nationalteam until Lahm switched to the right. I think Lahm is underrated because he helps others to shine, different type of player and I don't mind if someone rates Maicon, Alves or Cole as better fullbacks during his time.

Individually Lahm is a way better right back than left back. Playing on the left for so long probably hurt his standing (which sounds crazy, because he became a world class player in that position). I wrote about it in one of the all time draft games:
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Still, for future games, you should think about playing him as a left back. He's basically another CM when moving forward, he won't provide width at all. His left foot is totally useless. Lahm worked well as a left back with Zé Roberto - a very underrated player, btw. - in midfield, who basically owned the left side of the pitch while Lahm took his place in midfield. It was a strange setup. Lahm's a way better right back, if you want your fullbacks to provide width. Along with that, Lahm's a better defender on the right as well, especially against quick wingers who attack down the line and won't drift into the middle of the pitch. Playing on the left, he always has to tackle with his weak foot. He said it several times himself and was not very happy when he had to move back to the left side for the first half of last season. He wanted to play right back all his life.

Lizarazu was easily the better left back than Lahm. Lahm at his best playing as a right back is in my opinion on the same level, though.

Who do you think was a clearly better left back than Lizarazu during his peak? Of course, Maldini is the standout player in that position, but he's probably one of the best left backs of all time, so every full back of the last 25 years comes way short compared to him. Roberto Carlos was nowhere near as good as the hype around him suggests. I'd pick Lizarazu ahead of him. Can't think of another one.
 
Who do you think was a clearly better left back than Lizarazu during his peak?

Brwned said fullback to be fair Balu, so was including right backs in that comment. Zanetti, Thuram, Cafu and Maldini were better than Lizarazu, possibly he has some more but I wouldn't look beyond those 4. If you compare to now then Lahm is probably the best in the world, so there has been a clear decline.
 
I think he's the best LB at his time. Some names might have slipped through my mind, but who's better than him*?

*please don't say R. Carlos.

I agree that individually Lizarazu was the better player than Lahm. Lahm's tactical awareness is highly impressive though. He's such a smart player and he makes up for the flaws of the player in front of him, all the time, and helps to bring the best out of him. Ribery and Robben consistently played their best football with Lahm behind them. Since 2009 you basically just have to look at where Lahm played and you know instantly which player had more assists and goals. He's one of the reasons why Müller is scoring for fun this season as well, while he struggled for the first part of last season, when Lahm was playing on the left. Podolski is another example, he never looked out of place in the nationalteam until Lahm switched to the right. I think Lahm is underrated because he helps others to shine, different type of player and I don't mind if someone rates Maicon, Alves or Cole as better fullbacks during his time.

Individually Lahm is a way better right back than left back. Playing on the left for so long probably hurt his standing (which sounds crazy, because he became a world class player in that position). I wrote about it in one of the all time draft games:

Lizarazu was easily the better left back than Lahm. Lahm at his best playing as a right back is in my opinion on the same level, though.

Who do you think was a clearly better left back than Lizarazu during his peak? Of course, Maldini is the standout player in that position, but he's probably one of the best left backs of all time, so every full back of the last 25 years comes way short compared to him. Roberto Carlos was nowhere near as good as the hype around him suggests. I'd pick Lizarazu ahead of him. Can't think of another one.

Yeah I remember you saying that back in the newbies about how much the man in front of him benefits. Very impressive for sure. So he's a bit like the Müller of fullbacks in the sense that all his best work is done in the background with his team-mates benefiting from that understated intelligence.

I agree with you both about Roberto Carlos by the way, not a patch on Cafu and a long way down the list of top Brazilian wingbacks. I do think Lizarazu was the one other standout left back of the late 90s behind Maldini but then I wasn't talking about Lahm being the best fullback (both sides) in the world at the moment. In that sense you had Zanetti, Cafu and Thuram ahead of Lizarazu too. There really isn't anyone in that class at the moment. The best fullback now is as good as the 5th best of the late 90s - it's just a shame to me, I grew up on quality fullbacks!
 
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