Phil Jones | released summer 2023

[CG1010]

Frankly all your posts in this thread are gibberish, and make my brain hurt. I mean, you do know he has been injured and rehabilitated, right? And you know he was injured doing his job, for this very club? And you are aware that by following his rehab plan, turning up for training he is actively doing his job for which we remunerate him? I’m confident it’s illegal to sack somebody who is injured at work which is pretty much what you are calling for. I’m also pretty sure he does his rehabilitation work away from the main training session anyway, but do you really think he’s sat there in the changing room like some sort of Manc father jack shouting “ be like uncle Phil boys! Get injured and be paid for doing nowt!“

This part made me laugh out loud, newbie shitting on @devilish Frankly don't know what you are so wound up over. It is not outlandish to suggest that he is kept away from the playing group as he hasn't done any 'playing' since he got his last contract.

 

[stevoc]

Quite sure it was credibly reported that he was heavily consulted upon when key decisions took place as caretaker.

I'm sure he was consulted but it would have been primarily the clubs decision, Solskjaer was only in the door and probably had no idea if he'd be staying long so I doubt he would have pushed against a player getting a new contract.

 

[devilish]

His contract was signed in February 2019. The injury that has kept him out for over a year occurred in 2020. Nobody could have predicted it would happen. It's not like the club offered it to him while he was lying in the ICU.

Seriously? The guy has an injury record list as long as VDS's arm. Most supporters were shocked that we gave him such a long contract in the first place.

 

[devilish]

This part made me laugh out loud, newbie shitting on @devilish Frankly don't know what you are so wound up over. It is not outlandish to suggest that he is kept away from the playing group as he hasn't done any 'playing' since he got his last contract.

After so many years in this forum you will learn when not to engage in petty arguments that leads to nowhere. I made my point and that's what concerns me.

 

[dove]

His contract was signed in February 2019. The injury that has kept him out for over a year occurred in 2020. Nobody could have predicted it would happen. It's not like the club offered it to him while he was lying in the ICU.

Quite literally everyone predicted that, it's not something hard to predict.

 

[The Cluck]

True but most of them already were highly regarded at man UTD… Jones even when fit wasn’t of any significance for us….I am sorry but you can’t compare his situation to those 3…..

Just because Jones hasn't won multiple Premier League titles and European Cups during his time at the club doesn't mean that he should be treated any differently to players who had. In fact, he has quite a respectable list of honours, winning a Premier League, FA Cup, and Europa League. That's more than the vast majority of pros ever win, and as good as pretty much anybody who's played for the club in the last 10 years.

 

[izak]

14-15: Ankle - 2 games missed. Total: 2
15-16: Ankle injuries - 23 games missed, clot (Venous Occlusion) - 10 games missed: Total 33
16-17: Knee - 13 games missed, Toe injury - 10 games missed: Total 23
17-18: Hamstring injuries - 13 games missed: Total 13
18-19: Hamstring - 2 games missed, Illness - 7 games missed, random knock - 1 game missed: Total 10
19-20: random knock - 3, Knee Injury- 14 games missed: Total 17
20-21: Knee injury continues

Funny thing is - Even in 18-19, Jose barely played him (6 times). Ole was the one who played him 18 times after he arrived. We gave him a new contract in Feb 2019 (during Ole's time and when the team was on a run of wins). Which would show that Ole rated him. But in 19-20, Ole barely played him even in the first half the season when he was supposedly fit.

Looking at those records, i can't help but think how much more can a man's body take, he must be depressed to shit at this point, hope he's got a good wife cause when a man is down like he is, you need a good woman around you with supportive family members to push you on, Phil Has got an elite mentality, He's a blood and sand type of player who would gives you everything when fit but lacks the elit abilities required to be a top footballer... is he still injured currently?

 

[The Cluck]

Looking at those records, i can't help but think how much more can a man's body take, he must be depressed to shit at this point, hope he's got a good wife cause when a man is down like he is, you need a good woman around you with supportive family members to push you on, Phil Has got an elite mentality, He's a blood and sand type of player who would gives you everything when fit but lacks the elit abilities required to be a top footballer... is he still injured currently?

Back in training apparently.

 

[devilish]

I'm sure he was consulted but it would have been primarily the clubs decision, Solskjaer was only in the door and probably had no idea if he'd be staying long so I doubt he would have pushed against a player getting a new contract.

I think that is the case. I won't put the blame solely on Ole for two reasons.

A- he was interim manager at the time
B- the club should have hired more football experts back then to make such decisions

Tbf though Ole loves keeping players past his expiry dates (Mata and Grant)

 

[devilish]

Just because Jones hasn't won multiple Premier League titles and European Cups during his time at the club doesn't mean that he should be treated any differently to players who had. In fact, he has quite a respectable list of honours, winning a Premier League, FA Cup, and Europa League. That's more than the vast majority of pros ever win, and as good as pretty much anybody who's played for the club in the last 10 years.

I am sure that we wouldn't have won any of those without him

 

[The Cluck]

Seriously? The guy has an injury record list as long as VDS's arm. Most supporters were shocked that we gave him such a long contract in the first place.

A guaranteed four-year deal at a relatively small salary (£75k per week / £15m over the term of the contract) for a player who when fit has been a decent servant to the club, as well as being good enough to make multiple England squads for international tournaments. Had the latest injury not happened, he probably at the very least would have been in match squads most weeks and been a good option as a utility player. And if he wasn't happy with that level of involvement, £15m isn't much to ask if other clubs wanted to sign him. If he gets fit now and gets a few games under his belt this season, some club still might offer in excess of that for him.

 

[devilish]

A guaranteed four-year deal at a relatively small salary (£75k per week / £15m over the term of the contract) for a player who when fit has been a decent servant to the club, as well as being good enough to make multiple England squads for international tournaments. Had the latest injury not happened, he probably at the very least would have been in match squads most weeks and been a good option as a utility player. And if he wasn't happy with that level of involvement, £15m isn't much to ask if other clubs wanted to sign him. If he gets fit now and gets a few games under his belt this season, some club still might offer in excess of that for him.

The guy hasn't been a player for a long time. Also expecting Jones not to get injured is like jumping in the sea and expecting to not get wet. Good luck on finding someone ready to give 15m to get Jones

Can you please give us details of Jones salary or are those numbers plucked out of thin air?

 

[Bestietom]

Can't see anyone paying anything for him really. He will go on a free and good luck to him. Another one off the wage bill for us.

 

[Tom Cato]

Something which seems to be never mentioned or overlooked is how much of an absolute professional Phil Jones has been at his time in the club, even when he's been struggling with injuries, lack of playingtime or anything, he's never complained. I respect someone who tries , even when it doesn't work out.

He's had some real stand out performances, and unlike most of the squad, he is a Premier League champion. Jones got 3 caps for the English national team as recent as 2018. During his decade at the Theatre of Dreams he's featured in only 165 Premier League games. That's about the number of games you expect for a bit player, but Jones was bought to be the main guy, which he was in his first season only.

Jones will unfortunately mostly be remembered for the odd mistake and goofy facial expressions or even that time LVG made him take two corners.. Phil Jones, set piece specialist. For a player that ultimately ended up on the periphery you will remember moments, and this one will probably always be my favorite:



He slipped during the play, but did something few people would have: He put his literal face on the line to do his job. It may have looked clumsy, even comical, but that took some courage, diving in there like that infront of a speeding Giroud. The man is 6ft4 and charging. And Phil Jones dives in nose first. The man is all heart and deserves to be recognised as such.

He's still only 29 years old and will probably do a job if he can get his health sorted. I hope I read the headline "Phil Jones dives in the winner" after Watford plays Liverpool at Anfield next season.

 

[ReddBalls]

You'll find people laughing at that Jones-moment. I absolutely adore it.

 

[stevoc]

He's had some real stand out performances, and unlike most of the squad, he is a Premier League champion. Jones got 3 caps for the English national team as recent as 2018. During his decade at the Theatre of Dreams he's featured in only 165 games. That's about the number of games you expect for a bit player, but Jones was bought to be the main guy, which he was in his first season only.

Where did you get that total? Pretty sure he's played for United over 220-30 times to be fair.

 

[CM]

He epitomises everything that is wrong with United in the past seven years ie he's a player who keeps getting contracts extensions despite repeatedly not being anywhere near to good enough. I understand that it's not his fault. However do you really want a football meme anywhere near to our kids? How are we going to sell the idea of United having high standards with him around?

Ideally we should release him. However that is not in Ole's hands. Having him out of the training group is though

Standards like professionalism, determination and experience of big games are far more likely to rub off on young players. Jones hasn't exactly been a success at United but he has still achieved more in the game than any aspiring academy players have and they can learn from that.

This isn't me endorsing keeping Jones around either. If we can sell, we should, but suggesting we shouldn't let him near the youngsters because he's pulled a few funny faces in his time is just silly.

 

[GifLord]

Do you want to hear a joke?
He's played more minutes in PL for Blackburn than he has for us in a single season


2010/11 - 2175min
2011/12 - 2105min
2012/13 - 1206min
2013/14 - 2174min
2014/15 - 1879min
2015/16 - 528min
2016/17 - 1585min
2017/18 - 1975min
2018/19 - 1261min
2019/20 - 135min
2020/21 - 0

 

[devilish]

Standards like professionalism, determination and experience of big games are far more likely to rub off on young players. Jones hasn't exactly been a success at United but he has still achieved more in the game than any aspiring academy players have and they can learn from that.

This isn't me endorsing keeping Jones around either. If we can sell, we should, but suggesting we shouldn't let him near the youngsters because he's pulled a few funny faces in his time is just silly.

Jones managed to stay at the club for so many years despite barely contributing to anything. If you think that such a thing makes him a good influence around our players then fair enough.

 

[CM]

Jones managed to stay at the club for so many years despite barely contributing to anything. If you think that such a thing makes him a good influence around our players then fair enough.

Okay, good response.

 

[Ole's screen]

Jones managed to stay at the club for so many years despite barely contributing to anything. If you think that such a thing makes him a good influence around our players then fair enough.

Honestly it probably gives them the freedom to put their bodies on the line for the club knowing the club will have their back if they have injury issues.

 

[VP89]

I'm sure he was consulted but it would have been primarily the clubs decision, Solskjaer was only in the door and probably had no idea if he'd be staying long so I doubt he would have pushed against a player getting a new contract.

I'm sure even in a caretaker role he'd have had the sense to say "it's not my final decision of course but a 5 year contract for Phil Jones is not sensible".

He was surely consulted on in my opinion but whether or not he has enough of a say is another matter, sure.

Also going by how poorly we've handled fringe exits there's clearly a problem. Pereira being with us is criminal, same goes for Dalot and we only just got rid of Romero a year late. Add that to odd decisions like giving Martial a 250k a week contract, it's not pointing to proper decision making in my opinion.

 

[Ole's screen]

I'm sure even in a caretaker role he'd have had the sense to say "it's not my final decision of course but a 5 year contract for Phil Jones is not sensible".

He was surely consulted on in my opinion but whether or not he has enough of a say is another matter, sure.

Also going by how poorly we've handled fringe exits there's clearly a problem. Pereira being with us is criminal, same goes for Dalot and we only just got rid of Romero a year late. Add that to odd decisions like giving Martial a 250k a week contract, it's not pointing to proper decision making in my opinion.

I honestly don't mind the Martial contract. He was playing really well at the time and was one of our main attacking players entering the peak of his career. Any contract would look daft if the player has such a total loss of form as Martial did last season. I honestly don't know what to make of it. Imagine Bruno getting only 5 goals and assists next season. It would make the new contract we just gave him look absolutely ridiculous.

 

[VeevaVee]

Nobody could have predicted it would happen.

I'm not saying I'm Mystic Meg or anything but I predicted this would happen

 

[Tom Cato]

Where did you get that total? Pretty sure he's played for United over 220-30 times to be fair.

My mistake, I must have forgotten to add "Premier League appearances

 

[Tom Cato]

Jones managed to stay at the club for so many years despite barely contributing to anything. If you think that such a thing makes him a good influence around our players then fair enough.

I'll pay you £1000 if you only make positive contributions for the rest of 2021.

 

[stevoc]

I'm sure even in a caretaker role he'd have had the sense to say "it's not my final decision of course but a 5 year contract for Phil Jones is not sensible".

He was surely consulted on in my opinion but whether or not he has enough of a say is another matter, sure.

Also going by how poorly we've handled fringe exits there's clearly a problem. Pereira being with us is criminal, same goes for Dalot and we only just got rid of Romero a year late. Add that to odd decisions like giving Martial a 250k a week contract, it's not pointing to proper decision making in my opinion.

Maybe he did who knows.

We have problems shifting fringe players because a lot of them are on too much money in relation to their talent, look at Lingard. The wage bill at United was out of control by the time Solskjaer came in. It has been drastically reduced during his tenure which is a massive positive going forward.

 

[Adisa]

Something which seems to be never mentioned or overlooked is how much of an absolute professional Phil Jones has been at his time in the club, even when he's been struggling with injuries, lack of playingtime or anything, he's never complained. I respect someone who tries , even when it doesn't work out.

He's had some real stand out performances, and unlike most of the squad, he is a Premier League champion. Jones got 3 caps for the English national team as recent as 2018. During his decade at the Theatre of Dreams he's featured in only 165 Premier League games. That's about the number of games you expect for a bit player, but Jones was bought to be the main guy, which he was in his first season only.

Jones will unfortunately mostly be remembered for the odd mistake and goofy facial expressions or even that time LVG made him take two corners.. Phil Jones, set piece specialist. For a player that ultimately ended up on the periphery you will remember moments, and this one will probably always be my favorite:



He slipped during the play, but did something few people would have: He put his literal face on the line to do his job. It may have looked clumsy, even comical, but that took some courage, diving in there like that infront of a speeding Giroud. The man is 6ft4 and charging. And Phil Jones dives in nose first. The man is all heart and deserves to be recognised as such.

He's still only 29 years old and will probably do a job if he can get his health sorted. I hope I read the headline "Phil Jones dives in the winner" after Watford plays Liverpool at Anfield next season.

One of the best defensive plays I have ever seen.

 

[Plant0x84]

This part made me laugh out loud, newbie shitting on @devilish Frankly don't know what you are so wound up over. It is not outlandish to suggest that he is kept away from the playing group as he hasn't done any 'playing' since he got his last contract.

I’m not wound up friend, I just can’t for the life of me understand the hate that Phil gets because of his injuries. I know they seem constant and excessive, but Phil has done nothing but try to get fit and be available to play. Literally nothing here is his fault, including the contract extension which was probably in good faith that he would play again sooner than he has, and was certainly the morally decent thing to support the player.
Jones is a figure of mockery when he plays, and a figure of hate when he doesn’t. I don’t get it.

 

[Strats]

Something which seems to be never mentioned or overlooked is how much of an absolute professional Phil Jones has been at his time in the club, even when he's been struggling with injuries, lack of playingtime or anything, he's never complained. I respect someone who tries , even when it doesn't work out.

He's had some real stand out performances, and unlike most of the squad, he is a Premier League champion. Jones got 3 caps for the English national team as recent as 2018. During his decade at the Theatre of Dreams he's featured in only 165 Premier League games. That's about the number of games you expect for a bit player, but Jones was bought to be the main guy, which he was in his first season only.

Jones will unfortunately mostly be remembered for the odd mistake and goofy facial expressions or even that time LVG made him take two corners.. Phil Jones, set piece specialist. For a player that ultimately ended up on the periphery you will remember moments, and this one will probably always be my favorite:



He slipped during the play, but did something few people would have: He put his literal face on the line to do his job. It may have looked clumsy, even comical, but that took some courage, diving in there like that infront of a speeding Giroud. The man is 6ft4 and charging. And Phil Jones dives in nose first. The man is all heart and deserves to be recognised as such.

He's still only 29 years old and will probably do a job if he can get his health sorted. I hope I read the headline "Phil Jones dives in the winner" after Watford plays Liverpool at Anfield next season.

Absolutely loved what he did. I mean, he didn’t even see if Giroud was about to shoot the ball but still stuck his head in there. Don’t even want to phantom what could have happened if Giroud went on a full force shot with his head being where it was.

Haven’t really followed the latest discussions but as many have stated before it’s a shame injuries have crippled his career and it’s not his fault the club offered him his contract.

 

[CG1010]

I’m not wound up friend, I just can’t for the life of me understand the hate that Phil gets because of his injuries. I know they seem constant and excessive, but Phil has done nothing but try to get fit and be available to play. Literally nothing here is his fault, including the contract extension which was probably in good faith that he would play again sooner than he has, and was certainly the morally decent thing to support the player.
Jones is a figure of mockery when he plays, and a figure of hate when he doesn’t. I don’t get it.

Its fine and I can respect your stand but no need to get too hyper over views contrary to yours.

Anyways on the topic, I am not sure whether the bolded part is true, even as we can't say anything for sure. Obviously he was trying his best a few years ago but now I get the impression that he has sort of given up. Which would suck because he is on a lot of money from United. I wish the club had the foresight to give him a pay as you play contract.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

i have nothing against phil jones. all my anger is reserved for ed woodward

 

[Revan]

Looks like you epitomise all that's wrong with some fans.
What United did with Jones is 100% the right thing. It's the United way, and something am really pleased with about the club.
Can you for a second imagine what he must be going through? For all we know, he may not be getting paid a lot. Maybe it's a pay as you play contract. Maybe it was a way to give him access to our facilities.

His contract is reported to be around 100k/week and offering it was a moronic thing go to even for United’s extremely low standards.

 

[8thWonder]

I love Phil Jones and god do I hope he can come back and play well for someone whether it be for us or not.

In a nutshell, very talented, pro active defender. Decimated by injuries. Everything else is just noise, stupidly personal noise...

 

[8thWonder]

His contract is reported to be around 100k/week and offering it was a moronic thing go to even for United’s extremely low standards.

Problem being, when it was offered, he was still in the conversation of being arguably our best defender... So for me, it wasn't offering him a new contract that was an issue, it was more to do with the length of it.

 

[arthurka]

Do you want to hear a joke?
He's played more minutes in PL for Blackburn than he has for us in a single season


2010/11 - 2175min
2011/12 - 2105min
2012/13 - 1206min
2013/14 - 2174min
2014/15 - 1879min
2015/16 - 528min
2016/17 - 1585min
2017/18 - 1975min
2018/19 - 1261min
2019/20 - 135min
2020/21 - 0

As he should, he was their best player but only one of the players at Utd. But these are shocking numbers anyway you look at them.

 

[Plant0x84]

Its fine and I can respect your stand but no need to get too hyper over views contrary to yours.

Anyways on the topic, I am not sure whether the bolded part is true, even as we can't say anything for sure. Obviously he was trying his best a few years ago but now I get the impression that he has sort of given up. Which would suck because he is on a lot of money from United. I wish the club had the foresight to give him a pay as you play contract.

Just out of interest, what gives that impression? Where have you seen that?

 

[CG1010]

Just out of interest, what gives that impression? Where have you seen that?

As far as I remember, he hasn't been available for a single game in the last season and was barely available in the prior season? And its not coming from one single (really bad) injury but a series of undefined issues. Even in prior seasons until his new contract, he was available for a couple of periods in a season and play over 20 games every season.

 

[stubie]

Guy lacks the strength both mentally and physically to make it as a footballer, let alone at United!

Needs to quit the game and find something fresh to motivate him, something that won’t take its toll on the body

 

[Revan]

Problem being, when it was offered, he was still in the conversation of being arguably our best defender... So for me, it wasn't offering him a new contract that was an issue, it was more to do with the length of it.

He had played 81 league games in that and the previous 4 seasons. It was a mistake back then, and that is what most of people at Caf said.