I'm sure it's been discussed earlier in this thread but I'll ask anyway: is Jones still recovering from his knee injury incurred two years ago or is he being frozen out of training with the squad?
Phil Jones | released summer 2023
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Why would he need to? He's just given a detailed account of why he thinks the club were right to give him a contract?
A consensus on the Cafe is by no means an accurate representation of anything sane to do with football let alone the inner workings at United is it?
They made an informed decision based on his playing ability, his experience, his personality and his contract status and decided to offer him a contract. Why Bob from Dudley thinks it was a bad idea is irrelevant isn't it?
There's also David De Gea.
Glad to see this. Imagine if...just let yourself imagine if, Jones can prove to be a capable squad man in the rotation at CB behind Lindelof.
They made the wrong decision and plenty could see it at the time. Those that thought he would provide sell on value or be a decent backup option were mistaken.
Or at least he was until he walked directly and inexplicably into the propellers of the plane.
Oh yeah. You are right. Guess I overlooked him because he is not an outfield player.
Yeah a one or two year deal sure, would have made sense.
But it was definitely daft to give a perennially injured 27 year old a 4.5 year deal with an option for a 5th year that would take him up to 32. Very daft in fact.
So effectively. They made a call, based off multiple factors. And people moaned about it. And then with hindsight people think they were right?
Fair enough. That's how every decision should be made then? By people moaning, who don't have all the details? And obviously every decision should be made with hindsight right, I like that one.
Or, they take into account all the information and go from there. It doesn't matter what people thought at the time. Phil Jones was still playing fairly reguarly for us despite the injuries at the time and was proving himself to be just as valuable as our other centre backs.
Contract was offered for a reason, he's been injured more than at any other time of his career and it's not going the way any one wants, not much more to it than that.
Stop replying to things that are in your imagination and instead reply to the words I typed and the conversation will be more productive. There were plenty of signs at the time that Jones should have been let go or given a pay as you play deal. With hindsight it is obvious the club made the wrong decision and even at the time plenty of people could tell it was going to end poorly. You can claim the club had more information than the average caf poster all you like, it doesn’t make their decision correct. I trust you agreed with the club about the super league? Seeing as they made the decision with more information than us ?
De Gea. But yeah just those two I think.
If the club decided to go by what the cafe majority opinion was at any point of time, we would not have Luke Shaw, Fred, Martial, Pogba, Rashford, Dan James, McTominay etc in our squad!
If you ask me, I would give Jones another 5 year extension tomorrow , just to spite the Cafe Majority Opinion!
If you ask me, I would give Jones another 5 year extension tomorrow , just to spite the Cafe Majority Opinion!
And we'd have a better squad for it.
Or in front off Lindelof
Been injured for a long time. Have to be fit for fight before eventually selling him, so we can’t just throw him over the fence. He has served us for many years and it’s a human aspect to consider as well: United is responsible for helping him back again. So even if we likely won’t benefit much from it, I think it was fair to extend his contract. I don’t know his new terms, but a pay cut would’ve been right.
Come now, Victor isn’t that bad. I can’t see him diving in last ditch and giving away a pen in a cup final.Or in front off Lindelof
Some of the players you mentioned were/are very inconsistent but they can still be trusted to do their best when the team needs it. Jones is a very different case. He is definitely not the worst player in the team but he is useless cause he is simply never available. If you ask me, I would terminate contract tomorrow.
And force him to find his own way home from Dundee?! Oh, the humanity!
Of course he will provide a decent backup option. He's always been a capable player for us, it's just that after a few appearances he gets hurt and never builds any rhythm. I'm perfectly fine with him staying since we signed him to a contract, we have to deal with that. As long as he's putting in effort. Doubt he will ever start meaningful games or become a standout because of his body.
Yeah, it was one of the worst days in this club’s history that time Duncan Edwards was walking away from a parked plane and ended up getting shredded in the propellers. Never forget. You massive, daft tit.
No I just see him do nothing and let his man in to score in the EL final instead
Cant believe some of you are having a go at Phil Jones
I haven't seen someone go looking for it that bad since Pires Vs. Portsmouth in 2003.
It's a constant theme here though isn't it?
I'd love to see him come back and play for us, I doubt it's going to happen but the guy has never given less than 100% in a red shirt.
Would absolutely love it if he came back and had a great season. One of the most talented players I've ever seen. A phenomenon in 2011, Ferguson was 100% right about him, he unfortunately just could not predict the injuries.
Jesus Christ that’s some overreaction
Second this! Hope he can keep himself injury free.
I thought he'd be a DM when he first came to the club. I'd love it if his story arc included him coming back from years of injury to absolutely dominate the DM spot.
He's back training with the first-team squad:
Why does he look like someone without a soul left in his body? Cheer up Jones, keep working hard.
Maybe he’s been reading this thread.
He isn't.
If that was really Ole talking, he's far worse than I thought he was, good grief.
Anyone know what his current deal is like?
There’s another group photo too where he doesn’t look well, forced smile.
But who would actually buy him at this stage? And for what price? He still had a long contract where he no-doubt earns a huge wage. What are the changes a West Ham / Everton / Leeds would pay about 15 million pounds for him, and more important.. What are the changes he can strike a wage deal with them, given what he still earns here with some contract time to go...
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How accurate this website is is up to debate, but if taken at face value, he's got two years left at £75k per week, which is towards the bottom end of the earners in the squad:
Manchester United F.C. 2021-22 Payroll Table | Spotrac
There are other media reports quoting the same/similar amounts.
Hopefully he's just absolutely knackered after playing 7-a-side for the first time in about 18 months. That's how I usually look anyway.
Hindsight doesn't come into the equation. I remember most people being very surprised that he got that contract at the time.
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