Haha.. life is all about different strokes eh?
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Right. It's like a box of white chocolate.
I feel bad for him, he seems as an extremely dedicated player, its never because of lack of effort but injuries and brainfarts have feck up his career. I dont think it would be fair to let him without a contract while being injured, but why the feck did we gave him a 5 year extension?
We could have offered to pay for his recovery and then let him on his own. It's amazing how times goes and he is still here, injured as always.
We could have offered to pay for his recovery and then let him on his own. It's amazing how times goes and he is still here, injured as always.
Linked to Derby, with Rooney allegedly interested. Hope it's true. He needs a move. Would he really stay on for 2 and a half years without playing?
Well hes done it for the past 10.
Even if he moves it would probably be a loan with United paying half his wages.
If he goes to Derby, it will be a lot more than 50% we are paying.
would be great if he can get a PL move and play 15+ games in the second half of the season.
for everyone’s sake he need to go, and I frankly don’t care to whom, or how. Same goes for Rojo.
He's played around 300 minutes in the last 18 months with no sight on when he's going to return so yeah I think he could very well stay for another 2 and a half years.
Sure. I meant to say 2 and a half years more of no playing. I mean, this is a guy who talked about feeling uncomfortable with having a testimonial. If he can get a move where he plays, even if we're subsidising his wages 50% or whatever, that's really the only dignified option.
His career is as good as over. Injuries left right and centre. He needs to go back to Blackburn on a pay-as-you-go contract.
Agree, we should subsidize his wages on a loan with a permanent move on sight. Maybe even let him go for free and hope someone is stupid and desperate enough to sign him.
Cant release a player under contract unless you pay out the contract, or come to a settlement. Was a stupid mist to give him his last extension, as we’ve gotten zero value out of it.
Admins - please can you look into whether a performance thread is required for Phil Jones. We have one every year without any performances to comment on.
How is he still here?
It baffles me that we gave him a multi year contract in 2019, he literally hasn’t done anything since about 2013
It baffles me that we gave him a multi year contract in 2019, he literally hasn’t done anything since about 2013
The threads should be...Phil Jones | 20/21 Performance - if he play once.
Phil Jones | 20/21 Performance? - if yet to play.
or
Phil Jones | 19/20 Missing Performance - once confirmed.
I meant let him go for free to another club.
Why will he accept that? He would want to be compensated for the loss of income.
Dignity? wanting to earn his wages? I know he's always injured but doesnt seem to be the type of scumbag like Ozil who's just happy collecting wages.
I am not so sure. Players have a brief career and they would not want to forego that kind of money. He would expect United to give him some money (layoff compensation) or something. He is not going to get this kind of salary anywhere. And there is still 2.5 yrs left in is contract.
United would look like right scumbags if they pushed him out without compensation
Should be a lesson for those suggesting Jesse Lingard get an extension to protect his value.
Really hate to beat a dead horse here but here are his stats since 19/20
8 appearances in one and a half seasons, less than 600 mins of football.
8 appearances in one and a half seasons, less than 600 mins of football.
| 19/20 | Premier League | 2 | 0.50 | - | - | - / - / - | 135' | ||
| 19/20 | EFL Cup | 2 | 1.50 | - | - | - / - / - | 135' | ||
| 19/20 | FA Cup | 1 | 3.00 | 1 | - | 1 / - / - | 90' | ||
| 19/20 | Europa League | 3 | 3.00 | - | - | 1 / - / - | 202' | ||
I genuinely think Ozil has been completely mistreated at Arsenal. Just because his views (in public) don’t align with Arsenal football club doesn’t mean he’s a scumbag. They’ve left him to rot in the reserves and not once has he refused to play. If someone puts a £350k a week contract in front of you, you bloody sign it. When he got that contract he was on fire man. I love what’s happening at Arsenal but surely Ozil walks into that team and starts creating.
Still has another 2 1/2 years on his deal. That is utterly astounding.
Plus that "optional" extra year of course.
8 appearances in the whole of last season. None this year.
But more surprisingly 24-26 appearances the 3 years before.
Plus that "optional" extra year of course.
8 appearances in the whole of last season. None this year.
But more surprisingly 24-26 appearances the 3 years before.
That’s only half of the problem. Another part is that he was just shit in all those 8 appearances - so he would be by far the worst squad player even if 100% fit and never injured.
The problem is it's the same cycle.
Rusty because he's been out so long - comes back and makes major mistakes. Then has a couple of good performances that make us wonder if he could yet be a decent option. Then the inevitable 4months layoff and the cycle begins again.
but he doesn’t have anything to his game and he never had (apart from rare ability to take corners, of course).
He doesn’t have enough defensive awareness, he is not tall enough, he is not a speedster, doesn’t have ball playing ability or good long passing... there is simply nothing he is good at even if fully fit
He’s under contract, to release him for free would mean we’d paid out his contract.
There is another option: maybe there are teams which would be willing to take Jones. In this case, these teams would struggle to offer him same wages - and if we forego a transfer fee, it may allow them to offer more money to Jones, which would increase probability of him accepting a transfer
Complete and utter delusional post. Of course he has footballing skills and is a good player but with a terrible injury record.
No one will offer him such a lucrative contract, live in the real world dude, he’s here until the end of his contract unless we can manage to loan him and pay half his wages.
The club offered him a contract and he signed it. Collecting the wages he's entitled to under the terms of the contract is hardly a "scumbag" move. It's not his fault he's always injured - that's something the club already knew about and decided to take the risk anyway when they offered him an extension.
I’ve seen a lot of Jones over the last 10 years and never regarded him as a good player. Certainly, you may have different opinion - it’s only normal.
I've never been a huge fan of Jones but that's harsh. He's not as fast as Bailly or Tuanzebe but he's comfortably faster than any of our other other central defenders (or he was a couple of seasons ago, hard to say now after these most recent round of injuries). He's not great in the air but he's better than any of our current defenders except for Maguire and maybe Rojo. He's actually got fairly good ball playing ability. And when he's playing well his defensive awareness is decent. Overall he should have been quite a good solid defender although I personally doubt he would have taken the step up to truly top class.
His problem (other than injuries) is his inconsistency. Even when he's playing well he'll tend to make one big mistake every few games, and more often than not he'll throw in a terrible game every few weeks. Similar to Bailly in that sense although not quite as bad. Maybe he would have grown out of that if it weren't for the injuries and he'd had the chance to play solidly for a couple of years. We'll never know.
I agree, I was talking about him being fit and not wanting to move despite not playing. Something like the Ozil situation, that would be a scumbag move.
There's two sides to that story, ask any Arsenal fan and they will say Ozil was putting zero effort when called into the pitch. No manager would sideline a player thats useful just because, specially a player earning 350K a week. He obviously got attitude problems and thats why he was sidelined, as a player to know you wont play at all but are happy to squeeze out the wages its a pretty scumbag move to me.
I get it, Ozil has called out a minority and due to the reach of this minority, Arsenal have had to distance themselves as it’s bad for business. If they can stop playing a footballer purely based on this, then Ozil is well within his rights to say hold on a minute. I’m not going anywhere. Arsenal are sitting in 15th and I’m sure Ozil is still a top player.
| ason | Injury | from | until | Days | Games missed |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 20/21 | Surgery | Oct 30, 2020 | Dec 31, 2020 | 62 days | 15 |
| 18/19 | Ill | Feb 26, 2019 | Mar 10, 2019 | 12 days | 4 |
| 18/19 | Hamstring Injury | Aug 27, 2018 | Sep 23, 2018 | 27 days | 5 |
| 17/18 | Hamstring Injury | Feb 15, 2018 | Apr 10, 2018 | 54 days | 9 |
| 17/18 | Hamstring Injury | Nov 13, 2017 | Nov 30, 2017 | 17 days | 4 |
| 16/17 | Toe Injury | Mar 20, 2017 | May 4, 2017 | 45 days | 10 |
| 16/17 | Knee Injury | Sep 5, 2016 | Nov 3, 2016 | 59 days | 13 |
| 15/16 | Ankle Injury | Feb 8, 2016 | Apr 4, 2016 | 56 days | 12 |
| 15/16 | Sprained Ankle | Jan 4, 2016 | Feb 8, 2016 | 35 days | 7 |
| 15/16 | Sprained Ankle | Nov 23, 2015 | Dec 10, 2015 | 17 days | 4 |
| 15/16 | Venous occlusion | Aug 6, 2015 | Sep 24, 2015 | 49 days | 10 |
| 14/15 | Ankle Injury | Apr 13, 2015 | Apr 30, 2015 | 17 days | 2 |
| 14/15 | Shinbone injury | Oct 23, 2014 | Dec 11, 2014 | 49 days | 7 |
| 14/15 | Hamstring Injury | Sep 8, 2014 | Oct 6, 2014 | 28 days | 4 |
| 13/14 | Shoulder Injury | May 5, 2014 | Jun 23, 2014 | 49 days | 2 |
| ason | Injury | from | until | Days | Games missed |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 13/14 | Concussion | Feb 17, 2014 | Mar 6, 2014 | 17 days | 2 |
| 13/14 | Knee Injury | Dec 26, 2013 | Jan 6, 2014 | 11 days | 4 |
| 12/13 | Ankle Injury | Feb 18, 2013 | Apr 1, 2013 | 42 days | 8 |
| 12/13 | Knee Injury | Sep 10, 2012 | Nov 8, 2012 | 59 days | 13 |
I mean.....who will loan/buy/sign on free this? Even transfermarkt gave up of tracking injuries last year (and he had them whole season).
And by this record, he needs a lot of time to regain game fitness after every injury
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The only way I can see is for a club to pay him on a pay per play contract, and even then I would think he would be on a salary from United (50%?). I feel for the guy, he has the commitment, but he appears to have a frail body, which lets him down.
Yeah, i never thought that he is top club material but he would be very good defender for midtable clubs. Without injuries of course....
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