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sick to death of this lumbering crock
Future England Captain.
That's the thing, he isn't even worth the wait because when he does play he is average anyways. It's a shame but he needs to go in Summer.
Same old Devilish.
I wasn't the one who came out with that
Sir Alex wasn't it? Got that a bit wrong.
I think so
Can't be carrying players who are injured for 3/4 of every season they've been at the club. As a one off injury, sure, but not given his injury list
plus i genuinely don't think he's improved that much in the 4 1/2 years or so he's been at the club. Still out of position and throws himself around way too much.
shame though as seems a decent lad and had high hopes like a lot of us might have had when we signed him
plus i genuinely don't think he's improved that much in the 4 1/2 years or so he's been at the club. Still out of position and throws himself around way too much.
shame though as seems a decent lad and had high hopes like a lot of us might have had when we signed him
I've been saying this for years now. We get attached to players too much. Players who are constantly injured/crap are kept in the hope that they will one day return to their former best (Jones, Evans, the crocked twins), players who are not really good/good anymore are moved around (Fellaini, Valencia etc) for the same reason. That's not how a big club works. We need a serious clear out and some quality players need to be brought in. A player who for one reason or another had underperformed for 2 consecutive years shouldn't expect to remain a regular first teamer anymore and he should be sold if he fails in his third year.
Swap him for Sturridge 
Do you think stones would reject being our 3rd choice CB? Ie what Jones is?
When you think Jones made 41 appearances in a season when he was still 19/20.
When you think Jones made 39 appearances in a season when he was still 21/22.
So what happened?
I think that's fair. We did it with Anderson and our CM in general as well.
Posters here often mock Madrid for their fickleness and envy the squads they and Barcelona have, but it sure as hell doesn't happen through accepting low standards. Under SAF we had the added advantage of his man management and motivation dragging us forward a lot of the times, but being satisfied with less than the best will you, unsurprisingly, give you less than the best.
Laporte
13/14: 38 apps 3214 minutes
14/15: 49 apps 4310 minutes
15/16: 43 apps 3744 minutes
Jones
11/12: 41 apps 2986 minutes
12/13: 24 apps 1878 minutes
13/14: 39 apps 3099 minutes
14/15: 24 apps 2013 minutes
15/16: 13 apps 656 minutes
So even when Jones made around 40 apps in those seasons you mentioned, it's still far less than what Laporte has played in the last season and the 3/4 of this one.
He really is having a horrible time with injuries. I can't remember the last time he was for for a decent spell. Still think he's a very good player but that's not of much use when he's never fit.
That said I'd definitely keep him for another season to see if he can turn it around. He's still very young and there's no point in selling him now when we wouldn't get much for him.
That said I'd definitely keep him for another season to see if he can turn it around. He's still very young and there's no point in selling him now when we wouldn't get much for him.
No, it was only Sir Bobby and Sir Alex. What would they know about Duncan Edwards? They probably never even saw him play unlike you.
Anyway, that wasn't the point. You don't have to shout Duncan Edwards each time someone brings up Phil Jones. It's utterly tiresom.
I have only watched Edwards play on videos. However I bet he was more than a teent weeny better than jones..
Probably. However, given that you've never seen him play, you should understand that your opinion is inconsequential next to people (Sir Bobby and Wilf Mcguinness) who have actually played with him never mind watched him. Might have also escaped your attention that no one ever said he was better than Duncan Edwards. Just that there were striking similarities between the two.
Well maybe some of the veterans here can tell us if Jones is as good as Duncan Edwards then. Also what striking similarities could Jones have to a great defender? I was blessed to watch many great defenders in my life, some on the pitch (Maldini, Bergomi, Stam, Rio, Vidic and Baresi) and none of them where known for their facial expressions and their constant brain farts which also include headbutting the pitch. I bet if it was the case then they wouldn't be considered great defenders at all.
Could it be the case that both Sir Bobby and Sir Alex got this wrong? I mean they did get it wrong when they suggested the Scottish scarecrow to succeed SAF didn't they?
Thats been the thinking for the last 4 years with Jones. He hasn't turned it around yet.
It's time we cut our losses on him. See if he can get fit for a few games towards the end of the season to put himself in the shop window and then tout him about the premier league. Someone will take a chance on him for a decent fee.
We can't afford to go into another season counting on him as an option at CB when he just can't stay fit.
Phil Jones hasn't been very good for the last 3 seasons mainly down to injuries and his inability to play a long run of games at a stretch. But all these comparisons were made in his first two season where he did look very impressive. And no amount of revisionism will change my view on that. Jones can have no complaints if we get rid in the summer but he looked like he had seriously good potential in his first season.
What does picking a manager have to do with judging a player he actually played with? I'm not sure Duncan Edwards was even a defender. He played all over the place, probably part of the reason Jones is compared to him. Regardless, I have no idea what is it about the comparison made ages ago, about a player you've never even watched, offends you so much that you feel the need to constantly bring it up. Let it go.
The problem is it means we don't sign a replacement so we end up short when he's never available. We just have too many crocks on our books and Jones is the worst offender.
When is he out of contract? Absolute waste of time being on the books as he takes half a dozen games to get back up to speed - then he gets injured again.
Such a shame as he showed great promise when he joined.
Such a shame as he showed great promise when he joined.
I think he just signed a new 4 year deal.
He had spirit and was quite committed in making it at the highest level but he was never a great defender. He lack the physique and the composure of a Stam or a Vidic or the sheer talent of a Baresi, Maldini or Rio.
OShit and Phil played all over the place (literally). Would you compare them to Edwards too? Let us call it a day and say that SAF/Sir Bob got that incredibly wrong as they did with Moyes and the new Steve Bruce 'Ronnie Wallwork'
Did you watch Duncan Edwards play life btw?
You're ridiculous. You've never watched hin nor do you know which position he plays and yet take offense at people who've watched and played with the said player. Get a fecking grip.
Again with the Oshit nonsense...
He was all action when he first joined us. Blood and thunder tackles and bulldozing solo runs from the back. He looked like he had the potential to be a complete footballer. I think that's what prompted the Edwards comparisons.
You're ridiculous. You've never watched hin nor do you know which position he plays and yet take offense at people who've watched and played with the said player. Get a fecking grip.
Again with the Oshit nonsense...
Have you watched him play? Don't you think it was a mistake to compare an accident waiting to happen like Jones with a legend?
And I assure you, it takes much more to offend me.
sorry mate. Its a reflex. I just think of John and bumm I type...
I am not sure anyone ever said Jones is good as Duncan Edwards, but that he can become as good. Still probably wrong, but you never know. Not his biggest fan because I always thought he lacked football intelligence to become a top player even if he wasn't crooked, but you can't argue that he was bit different than your average young talented player when he arrived here. There was something special with him, that's for sure. Haven't seen much of it since his first or second year though.
He is really frustrating with his injuries, but I still feel sorry for him, it's not like he is developing intentionally. His development has stagnated a lot because of it, but one thing's for sure, we shouldn't rely on him, he is neither first choice material yet, and you can't rely on him as a squad player either.
He is really frustrating with his injuries, but I still feel sorry for him, it's not like he is developing intentionally. His development has stagnated a lot because of it, but one thing's for sure, we shouldn't rely on him, he is neither first choice material yet, and you can't rely on him as a squad player either.
I agree with all that. I never thought he would be a great defender let alone believed he could become as good as someone like Edwards would be however I did believed at one time he would one day become useful to have around. Not everyone is born to become a Rio. Very few are.
TBF its very difficult to assess a young defender. I watch the Serie A closely and I lost count of how many 'new Maldinis' there were only to fizzle out. Having said that I still find it hilarious to mention them every now and then. Unfortunately some people take the internet too seriously
No and I don't particularly care either. I'm not the one who made the comparison.
What I do know is that he looked fantastic in his first season and parts of the 2nd season. He looked good no matter where he played. Read the game well, was excellent at breaking into spaces, fast, strong and very good defensively.
Hasn't worked out since then but it's hardly his fault.
Well SAF did and I find it hilarious. Jeez we're still commenting on a 4 word sentence. Dont you have anything nicer to do like for example watching tv, go to the gym, watch some cartoons or wank at some porn etc? This is redcafe and not court
And no he wasn't good. He was very committed and he had great attitude (some may say he was promising) which channeled to the right direction could turn him into a United first team defender (Bruce type of defender) but he was never world class
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You find it hilarious despite never having seen the player in question? You really are clueless.
And no, he looked very good. Then again you think Oshea was shit so clearly judging players isn't your forte.
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