Pessimistic view of the CAF when it comes to Transfers

Champagne Football said:
You can call it a pessimistic view, or just being realistic.

Camavinga said today that he wants to go to PSG pretty much, but for the past weeks on the caf, you'd swear we had him all but tied up. It was the same with De Ligt/Tonali/Frenkie De Jong,Joao Felix etc.... You'd swear by some on the caf, all we had to do was wave the cash, and the deal was done.

In times gone by, we easily would have signed Haaland and Jude Bellingham over Dortmund, but something is wrong when Dortmund are offering double the weekly salary that we can, when it's clear the kid is going to be a huge star.

Not signing Sancho last season, has meant Greenwood getting more valuable experience.

The question is -
Do we really need Sancho or can Greenwood and Diallo save us 80 million by playing same position?

Do we really need Grealish even though we have Rashford, Pogba, Mejbri and Van de Beek who can play a similar role?

Do we really need Kane when Greenwood might be a world class striker in 18 months?

Do we really need Camavinga when we already have Garner who should be ready for that role in 1 year?

From past dealing with Levy over Bale, I don't think the club is in any rush to deal with the tightass scrooge that is Levy again.

We clearly urgently need a box to box midfielder, a central defender, and a back up striker to Cavani. But when you see some of the talent coming through like Mejbri, Van de Beek, Elanga, then perhaps it would be better to look closer to home. Maybe a central defender like Botman or Pau Torres, and a solid back up striker like Ings is all we need. But I think Ole will try for Sancho also depending on if we can offload some players for nice money first, like Pogba, Jesse and James. But if we can't offload them, then I think Ole will be happy to stick with Greenwood and Diallo for RW next season.
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Hyping up youth players is also an issue on the CAF. Garner is no where near good enough at the moment. He’s hardly had a great season in the Championship.

What makes a big club successful is buying good players and using their youth system at the same time. It’s mixing the two to get the right balance. I disagree that we should simply wait for youth players to get better. Most don’t even make it at the top level. The likes of Elanga, Hannibal and Diallo have barely kicked a ball for the first team and only got opportunities in dead rubber games. That should not be a reason for the club to sign Grealish or Sancho.

This is a huge problem for our club which would help fund more transfers just like Chelsea and City do. We should see the youth system as a way to make decent profit, as well as strengthen the first team. Too many players like Fosu-Mensah and Brandon Williams get kept by the club when it’s clear as day they aren’t good enough for us. If Liverpool can sell the likes of Ibe for huge profits surely we should be able to do the same and then our net spend wouldn’t look so distorted compared to other big clubs.
 
UnitedSofa said:
What is it with the CAF and being so pessimistic when it comes to transfers?

I've said this in a number of threads now and feel as though it deserves it's own thread.

In a number of threads discussing players such as Kane, Grealish, Ronaldo and Sancho. There are lots of posts from users that just straight up dismiss the possibility of us signing anyone. Like Kane people are already writing him off to go to City, now a strange one is Sancho is all of a sudden a dead cert to go to Chelsea or Ronaldo back to Madrid.

The CAF has this weird juxtaposition of wanting the worlds best players at the club and wanting the club to challenge for honours. But at the same time, each time good and world class players are available, almost immediately write them off and say that they're going to our rivals.

So, I ask the question, why (and I know Glazers, don't trust them to shell out the money etc etc) but why in your view, do you think the CAF is this way? Why can't one of the world's richest clubs sign the world's best players. We got Bruno and beat City to the signing of both Bruno and Maguire! So it's not like we can't compete. So why is Kane a dead cert to be going to City?
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Here are the reasons why:
  • Our track record is horrible over the last decade
  • We consistently pursue targets that aren't feasible and end up with deadline day dramas
  • Long drawn our Sancho saga last shows that we can't throw money away
  • Top players moving clubs want assured CL participation which we haven't provided in the last 5 years (that is changing)
  • Fans don't want to get emotionally invested and have their heart broken; they would much rather despair and then treat a new top signing as a gift
 
Not sure why. Our last 3 transfer windows were fantastic, weren't they ? We even got VDB for 45m who was a game changer.
 
I don’t know. When I see Arsenal being linked to Tapsoba and Bissouma, potential transfers in positions of weakness, without us being mentioned, makes me a little sick. A club that supposed to be more shite than us in all aspects.

Are they good enough for us? I don’t know. Haven’t watched Tapsoba, as for Bissouma, only in our games versus Brighton.

Of course the press knows as much as we do - nothing - but that’s the only source of information we get with regards to transfers during transfer season.
 
jeepers said:
I don’t know. When I see Arsenal being linked to Tapsoba and Bissouma, potential transfers in positions of weakness, without us being mentioned, makes me a little sick. A club that supposed to be more shite than us in all aspects.

Are they good enough for us? I don’t know. Haven’t watched Tapsoba, as for Bissouma, only in our games versus Brighton.

Of course the press knows as much as we do - nothing - but that’s the only source of information we get with regards to transfers during transfer season.
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Someone says this every season with the Gooners and every season the players they buy (Partey, Gabriel, Pepe etc) turn out to be bang average. Let's not cast admiring glances their way as far as transfer business goes any more, they're not worth the time.
 
Having been muppets and went through lots of disappointing summer, I am sure some of us will starting to grow up and get realistic and not to bring our hopes up...
 
Its partly because you get more views per click if you have Man Utd in your story. Therefore every man and his dog is linking us to players and talking sht about how we cant afford it, wont spend the money or lose out etc. Basically all news stories are mostly made up sht. as if they have inside knowledge of transfers when they dont. No one has. Ok they might know we are interested in player X or Y but the negotiations or even the choice between player A and B and the reason for choosing the player is unknown.

Take the Sancho saga. Everyone excepts it as fact that Dortmund wanted X amount and we haggled and haggled and refused to negotiate and were rude and waited till a day before transfer closing and rushed to get Amad. But the reality could have been a million different scenarios. A) We could have agreed a fee but Dortmund upped it at the last minute B) We could have bailed and got Amad weeks before but just not made it public C) Maybe it was Ole who said Sancho or nothing so Woodward kept going and going as much as he could.

So basically its all hysterical mumbo gumbo knitting circle drama.
 
UnitedSofa said:
What is it with the CAF and being so pessimistic when it comes to transfers?

I've said this in a number of threads now and feel as though it deserves it's own thread.

In a number of threads discussing players such as Kane, Grealish, Ronaldo and Sancho. There are lots of posts from users that just straight up dismiss the possibility of us signing anyone. Like Kane people are already writing him off to go to City, now a strange one is Sancho is all of a sudden a dead cert to go to Chelsea or Ronaldo back to Madrid.

The CAF has this weird juxtaposition of wanting the worlds best players at the club and wanting the club to challenge for honours. But at the same time, each time good and world class players are available, almost immediately write them off and say that they're going to our rivals.

So, I ask the question, why (and I know Glazers, don't trust them to shell out the money etc etc) but why in your view, do you think the CAF is this way? Why can't one of the world's richest clubs sign the world's best players. We got Bruno and beat City to the signing of both Bruno and Maguire! So it's not like we can't compete. So why is Kane a dead cert to be going to City?
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Isnt the answer quite simple? Take away British players and the number of genuine star signings we have made you could count on one hand.The number of star signings we have been heavily linked with or actually shown to be invested in trying to sign is absilutely huge. I know this goes for a lot of clubs, but we are one of the biggest clubs in the world, we may have signed up an dcoming players or big Bristish players and turned them into superstars....but how many have we signed in comparison to the other elite lcubs in EUrope.

This is hardly a new thing, you could go right back to when we couldnt compete with the wages in other countries....when players have just chosen other elite clubs after this and the last few years, quite simply we have failed badly within the market.

There is absolutely every reason to be pessimistic about us in a transfer window when you consider these points and the fact we have still managed to spend more than anybody in EUrope pretty much bar City....not only that, my personal bug bear, we are never signing the number of players we need to in one window
 
Will hold my hands up can totally understand pessimism if there isn't at least TWO first XI buys this summer after tonight
 
The main reason for all the pessimism is that a lot of us have been waiting for the Gaitan announcement for... a while.
 
I'm out this year. Not gonna follow transfers on the Caf, youtube, or anything. I think i need a break. It's not you United, it's me. See you in August.
 
As someone above has said, it's a question of bitter past experience. There's a series of factors that plays in into "winning" a transfer in my view.

1Money - transfer fee, wages , bonuses for agents.
2Ability to challenge for trophies- Is the club regularly winning trophies?
3Viability of project- manager, player development, clear transfer/sports policy
4Location- weather, housing, security, social atmosphere for players and families.
5History- Fanbase, some shirts have a weight and reputation that matters to some players.

We are at the very top of the ladder when it comes to 1 and 5. Only the state owned clubs can outspend us. We have more history and our fanbase exceeds theirs comfortably.

I think right now we have problem with 2 and 3 but they are fixable with the right sporting setup. 4 there is little to be done about, Manchester for all it's virtues as a city will never have the pull of London, Madrid or Paris.
 
After last summers Sancho saga we have the right to be pessimistic. I wish that just for once we would have most of the negotiation done early and do the business at the beginning of the window. It is also important for the team to have the players in at preseason rather then joining later on with no time spent in preparation.
 
Drizzle said:
Exactly. And even Bruno was 6 months later than it should have been.

Last summer's transfer window was genuinely bad - we're lucky that a last minute gamble on Cavani on a free finally paid off.
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Well, I wouldn't say bad, at least not in terms of the quality of those who were brought in. Cavani's impact has been superb and I think well beyond what almost anyone expected. Telles has been okay, Diallo bides well. It's just Donny really, and that might still turn out good too.
 
justsomebloke said:
Well, I wouldn't say bad, at least not in terms of the quality of those who were brought in. Cavani's impact has been superb and I think well beyond what almost anyone expected. Telles has been okay, Diallo bides well. It's just Donny really, and that might still turn out good too.
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We got the right players imo, just feels slow.
 
Financially, I think 130-150 million makes sense as a broad assumption, given that apparently 85m has been made available and assuming de Gea and Lingard is moved on for at least a combined 50 million. A few further sales (Dalot, f.e.) seem likely.

That could mean Sancho and a couple of players in the 30-35 m range, for example.
 
justsomebloke said:
Financially, I think 130-150 million makes sense as a broad assumption, given that apparently 85m has been made available and assuming de Gea and Lingard is moved on for at least a combined 50 million. A few further sales (Dalot, f.e.) seem likely.

That could mean Sancho and a couple of players in the 30-35 m range, for example.
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I'm intrigued that people think we'll be able to move De Gea on for any sort of fee.
Not on 350k a week.

That's 36.4million over 2 years alone. We'd probably have to make it a free transfer for someone to take that wage on, or if we got, say 20m, make up the difference in wages he'd lose out.
 
Sandikan said:
I'm intrigued that people think we'll be able to move De Gea on for any sort of fee.
Not on 350k a week.

That's 36.4million over 2 years alone. We'd probably have to make it a free transfer for someone to take that wage on, or if we got, say 20m, make up the difference in wages he'd lose out.
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This! It’s a flight of fancy.
 
Sandikan said:
I'm intrigued that people think we'll be able to move De Gea on for any sort of fee.
Not on 350k a week.

That's 36.4million over 2 years alone. We'd probably have to make it a free transfer for someone to take that wage on, or if we got, say 20m, make up the difference in wages he'd lose out.
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Except de Gea would accept a lower salary at his new club. Maybe he would do this if the alternatives are to play for less money, or to sit on the bench at United. But I have no idea if it would be more important for him to get money or to play.
 
stefan92 said:
Except de Gea would accept a lower salary at his new club. Maybe he would do this if the alternatives are to play for less money, or to sit on the bench at United. But I have no idea if it would be more important for him to get money or to play.
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He's just played in a cup final, and Henderson has shown he's not the wunderkeeper people were making him out as.

I don't think it's a given he won't play much next season, and it'll probably be as we were for another year.
 
Sandikan said:
He's just played in a cup final, and Henderson has shown he's not the wunderkeeper people were making him out as.

I don't think it's a given he won't play much next season, and it'll probably be as we were for another year.
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I was not aware that he still has so much chance of playing a lot. In that case I think there is no chance to sell him.
 
stefan92 said:
I was not aware that he still has so much chance of playing a lot. In that case I think there is no chance to sell him.
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Anyone who watched Henderson give Salah about 99% of the goal to just waltz in and pass in the easiest goal in premier league history can see number 1 next season is a real 50-50.
 
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