'Pep' Guardiola sack watch

He is clearly the best manager in the world, no doubts about that. City are going to walk the league this year yet again even having no decent striker in the team.

Probably is, but the background is still a bit cheap to me. Has all the money in the World and the other teams are underperforming. Imagine if Klopp had the same amount to spend for instance. If Pep's player doesnt become a succes, he just gets money to buy a new one. Imagine if we could do that with Lindelof and Maguire :lol:
 
In some ways I wish he’d win the CL this season just so it hastens his departure, because in his eyes it’ll be “I’ve done everything. Next challenge please”.

Although City went really fecking balls out trying to land him since the oil money came in, going as far as putting Barcelona board members like Sorrano and Begiristain in the club just to entice him even more, so Guardiola would be fecking nuts to leave a setup that the Sheikh moved heaven and earth to put in place ready for his arrival.
 
Finally going to give Ederson the nod on pens :lol:?

Would put money on him having a near perfect record.
 
Pep inherited a team that was regularly winning the league and domestic cups, spent a huge amount of money, and went on to regularly win the league and domestic cups. He hasn’t made them, they were already one of the top teams in the world. Yeah, he’s accumulated more points than other teams before, but that’s what having more resources than the other teams before will do for you. It won’t be the last time we see silly points totals from City, what with their unlimited wealth and legal loopholes.

Except that the other two title winning managers in modern City history won one league title each. If Pep closes the deal this year that will be three titles in four years. That’s not bad. Obviously he hasn’t done it in the CL yet for City but he already has 2 CL titles and the number of managers who have more than that in their entire careers is vanishingly small. The number of managers who have 3 CLs and have also won with different clubs is even smaller
 
In some ways I wish he’d win the CL this season just so it hastens his departure, because in his eyes it’ll be “I’ve done everything. Next challenge please”.

Although City went really fecking balls out trying to land him since the oil money came in, going as far as putting Barcelona board members like Sorrano and Begiristain in the club just to entice him even more, so Guardiola would be fecking nuts to leave a setup that the Sheikh moved heaven and earth to put in place ready for his arrival.
I don't, it's the one thing they haven't been able to buy.
 
Not going to be popular for saying this but it's gutting to see our rivals with a manager that favours technically gifted players but we have a manager in ole that prefers physical qualities over technical ability and have to constantly watch the team struggle to control games.
 
Except that the other two title winning managers in modern City history won one league title each. If Pep closes the deal this year that will be three titles in four years. That’s not bad. Obviously he hasn’t done it in the CL yet for City but he already has 2 CL titles and the number of managers who have more than that in their entire careers is vanishingly small. The number of managers who have 3 CLs and have also won with different clubs is even smaller

Its not bad, no. However, I don’t find it particularly impressive when you look at the general level of competition during his time here.
 
Retire the thread for this season. Will walk the title.
 
He is clearly the best manager in the world, no doubts about that. City are going to walk the league this year yet again even having no decent striker in the team.
If the best in the world then why did he allow a team win its first league title last season for 30 years with 7 games to spare and why hasn't he led City to at least a champions league final?
 
Except that the other two title winning managers in modern City history won one league title each. If Pep closes the deal this year that will be three titles in four years. That’s not bad. Obviously he hasn’t done it in the CL yet for City but he already has 2 CL titles and the number of managers who have more than that in their entire careers is vanishingly small. The number of managers who have 3 CLs and have also won with different clubs is even smaller

3 in 5 overall. Had 2 in 4 before he came. I'd say they'd have expected 3 in 5 years given they gave him 840m on top of de Bruyne Silva Aguero kompany and Fernandinho
 
If the best in the world then why did he allow a team win its first league title last season for 30 years with 7 games to spare and why hasn't he led City to at least a champions league final?
Not sure if you are serious here.
 
In some ways I wish he’d win the CL this season just so it hastens his departure, because in his eyes it’ll be “I’ve done everything. Next challenge please”.

He won't be going anywhere for quite some time. The Covid Pandemic is going to seriously restrict the spending of the big clubs at home & abroad.

He's going to have a fairly easy run in the PL for at least another couple of years. We look to be best placed to challenge them. We are still though 3/4 players short & due to decreased revenue it's now going to take at least 2 Summer Windows to be able to afford them. There is no balancing the books or sell before you buy policy at City. They will fix all their deficiencies in 1 window. Would expect them to sign a LB, DM & Striker in the Summer.

The Pandemic will now make it easier in Europe too. Real & Barca are in transition & have huge debts. Ronaldo is also nearing the end at Juve & they too have a large amount of debt. Bayern are well run but can't match City's spending.
 
Not sure if you are serious here.
I asked myself the same question

3 in 5 overall. Had 2 in 4 before he came. I'd say they'd have expected 3 in 5 years given they gave him 840m on top of de Bruyne Silva Aguero kompany and Fernandinho
You keep repeating this, while forgetting that Kompany was injury prone and barely even played for Pep except for the second half of his last season at the club. Fernandinho was a good player but not the great player you're making him out to be back then. Silva was one of the best players in the league but always disappeared in the CL games.

Offcourse he had to replace the injury prone and old players.
 
Leicester and Liverpool play each other next weekend. Leicester are away to Villa after that while Liverpool play Everton, so there are more good chances to gain points one or both of them in the coming weeks.
 
3 in 5 overall. Had 2 in 4 before he came. I'd say they'd have expected 3 in 5 years given they gave him 840m on top of de Bruyne Silva Aguero kompany and Fernandinho
I'm not sure how people arrive at their expectations. To win the title every year in in Germany for Bayern Munich or Italy for Juventus might be considered normal, but in the PL 1 in 2 is phenomenal given there will always be strong challengers. Sir Alex won, what was it, 13 in 20+? Of course, Sir Alex was on a different level of greatness considering he both A) Built our dynasty and B) maintained, and didn't have the obscene wealth City do (but we were still bloody rich regardless). However, no matter what your wealth, the PL has other big clubs, and can never be a league you can expect a Bayern or Juventus type domination. For a manager to come in and win 3 in 5 is absolutely fantastic and one should be grateful for that if they're City fans. This is their most successful period. Of course he could have done better in the CL, but let's not forget that even all time great managers win the competition 1-2 times in their entire 20+ career span. So with the cups, winning it is special. Not winning it is the norm. People forget this.

Having said all that, of course City have spent absurd amounts of money and did already have a pretty good team (although with many issues hence the 2nd and then awful 4th placed finish). Which is why I don't put Pep ever a long side Sir Alex as he lacks certain qualifies the great man did. However, as a coach, in terms of tactical imprint, in terms of raising City's level of football (90/95 point seasons, winning runs, multiple league titles, domestic trophies etc), Pep has been a resounding success at City. All I can hope for is that once we've seen the back of him and Klopp, we have a top top manager at OT to take over.

Edit: With a manager like Pep, the first season coaching the players is usually a learning phase. We used to say 5 in 7 for United under SAF not 5 in 10 as we all knew there were years spent developing the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo etc.
 
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In some ways I wish he’d win the CL this season just so it hastens his departure, because in his eyes it’ll be “I’ve done everything. Next challenge please”.

Although City went really fecking balls out trying to land him since the oil money came in, going as far as putting Barcelona board members like Sorrano and Begiristain in the club just to entice him even more, so Guardiola would be fecking nuts to leave a setup that the Sheikh moved heaven and earth to put in place ready for his arrival.
Come on, now.
 
I asked myself the same question


You keep repeating this, while forgetting that Kompany was injury prone and barely even played for Pep except for the second half of his last season at the club. Fernandinho was a good player but not the great player you're making him out to be back then. Silva was one of the best players in the league but always disappeared in the CL games.

Offcourse he had to replace the injury prone and old players.

No point engaging here if we're denying that he had an incredible spine of a team and that the squad he inherited was pretty close to a title challenge without any additions. Then he spent 840m. If he's not winning titles then something is going disastrously wrong.
 
I'm not sure how people arrive at their expectations. To win the title every year in in Germany for Bayern Munich or Italy for Juventus might be considered normal, but in the PL 1 in 2 is phenomenal given there will always be strong challengers. Sir Alex won, what was it, 13 in 20+? Of course, Sir Alex was on a different level of greatness considering he both A) Built our dynasty and B) maintained, and didn't have the obscene wealth City do (but we were still bloody rich regardless). However, no matter what your wealth, the PL has other big clubs, and can never be a league you can expect a Bayern or Juventus type domination. For a manager to come in and win 3 in 5 is absolutely fantastic and one should be grateful for that if they're City fans. This is their most successful period. Of course he could have done better in the CL, but let's not forget that even all time great managers win the competition 1-2 times in their entire 20+ career span. So with the cups, winning it is special. Not winning it is the norm. People forget this.

Having said all that, of course City have spent absurd amounts of money and did already have a pretty good team (although with many issues hence the 2nd and then awful 4th placed finish). Which is why I don't put Pep ever a long side Sir Alex as he lacks certain qualifies the great man did. However, as a coach, in terms of tactical imprint, in terms of raising City's level of football (90/95 point seasons, winning runs, multiple league titles, domestic trophies etc), Pep has been a resounding success at City. All I can hope for is that once we've seen the back of him and Klopp, we have a top top manager at OT to take over.

Edit: With a manager like Pep, the first season coaching the players is usually a learning phase. We used to say 5 in 7 for United under SAF not 5 in 10 as we all knew there were years spent developing the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo etc.

My expectation would be that spending almost 1 billion on what was a very strong starting point should get AT LEAST a title every second year. You don't have to agree. But if in 4 years solskjaer had spent the guts of a billion pounds, a billion, and hadn't delivered at least 2 titles, there's be mass protest at Old Trafford. And Solskjaer had a weaker starting point but it would still be unforgivable

I don't mean you specifically but some people are so incredibly sensitive to the fact that guardiola can be a good manager but also absolutely expected to win titles with that outlay. To have got to one CL final in a decade and not past a quarter final with his 1 billion team is pretty poor. He really should win one soon.
 
My expectation would be that spending almost 1 billion on what was a very strong starting point should get AT LEAST a title every second year. You don't have to agree. But if in 4 years solskjaer had spent the guts of a billion pounds, a billion, and hadn't delivered at least 2 titles, there's be mass protest at Old Trafford. And Solskjaer had a weaker starting point but it would still be unforgivable
He wouldn't have (Ole). It's fine to agree to disagree. I do rate Pep very highly and feel the CL (for which there are a lot of variables) skews opinions a lot.
 
Looking at that Greenwood x Foden thread 95% of UTD fans would rather have Greenwood. And before the season how many would choose Cancelo over Wan Bissaka, Stones over Maguire, Gundogan+Rodri over Pogba+Fred? Not many. And all these signings were very expensive, United's even more so it's not only about players.
 
I think too much emphasis is put on City's spending. Pep is just a world class manager, he's a serial winner and is a quality coach. You can give other managers finances and they still wouldn't have the pedigree that Guardiola has. All this talk about their defence seems hyperbole they've bought in Dias who was hardly rated as a mind blowing signing. Third choice backup considering their activity with Koulibaly / Kounde. Stones has stepped up a level, Dias has as did Laporte when he joined. Whenever a manager is a good coach like Klopp the players raise their game and develop.
 
Looking at that Greenwood x Foden thread 95% of UTD fans would rather have Greenwood. And before the season how many would choose Cancelo over Wan Bissaka, Stones over Maguire, Gundogan+Rodri over Pogba+Fred? Not many. And all these signings were very expensive, United's even more so it's not only about players.

Tbf, recruitment is the single most important thing in football. The manager needs to know what he is buying, and what he is buying him for.

Players like Cancelo, Foden, etc. fit into Pep's system perfectly. And player's from Pelligrini's time didn't, and hence the struggles in the 1st season. There's a reason why the league table mostly reflects the quality of side wrt the style of football, rather than the quality of managers.

The reason why Ole has been more successful here than the more decorated ex-managers- LVG and Mou - is down more to recruitment (and man management) than being tactically savvy (not to say Ole isn't good tactically). Pep's developed a team that will go down in history as among the finer PL sides, but a lot of it is down to the recruitment and the success there
 
Since they won their first league title with oil money it has been 2 titles in 5 years (Mancini, Pellegrini). If Pep wins it this season it will be 3 titles in 5 years.
So while Pep’s record is impressive City’s record also shows that you don’t need to be a world class manager to win a league title with City.
Obviously Pep is a world class manager so he won the title in a more impressive way and is also only the 3rd manager who has managed to defend a Premier League title. But still City were winning titles before him and will win them after him as long as their owners keep providing unlimited funds.
 
Pellegrini won it thanks to Mancini's foundations plus signings of Fernandinho (agreed by Mancini in January '13) and to some extent Navas and Negredo. It's a combination of more factors: money+quality squad+2 or 3 perfect signings in summer+very good, proven manager. Pellegrini was a so so choice and it's no surprise it fallen apart after first season. Txiki even spoke to Tata and Benitez in 2015 but in the end kept Pellers, that was a bad decision.
 
Probably is, but the background is still a bit cheap to me. Has all the money in the World and the other teams are underperforming. Imagine if Klopp had the same amount to spend for instance. If Pep's player doesnt become a succes, he just gets money to buy a new one. Imagine if we could do that with Lindelof and Maguire :lol:
Hang on, utd outbid city to get Maguire, Fred and Sanchez, spunked a fortune on pogba, Bruno, martial etc. I can accept criticism from sheff utd, wolves et al but not from a utd fan! I don't know the figures on transfer spend since pep arrived but I'd be surprised if utd aren't too far behind, add to that the wages spent on cavani and ighalo and it's have chucked a serious amount of money at it?
 
He wouldn't have (Ole). It's fine to agree to disagree. I do rate Pep very highly and feel the CL (for which there are a lot of variables) skews opinions a lot.

Yep and if ole didn't he'd rightfully be sacked
 
Well he has won more trophies than any other manager out there currently, and he is in very good position to win more this season. So I guess he is not going to be sacked any time soon,
 
If the best in the world then why did he allow a team win its first league title last season for 30 years with 7 games to spare and why hasn't he led City to at least a champions league final?

Who is better than Pep? Only one I’d not argue with is Klopp
 
I think too much emphasis is put on City's spending. Pep is just a world class manager, he's a serial winner and is a quality coach. You can give other managers finances and they still wouldn't have the pedigree that Guardiola has. All this talk about their defence seems hyperbole they've bought in Dias who was hardly rated as a mind blowing signing. Third choice backup considering their activity with Koulibaly / Kounde. Stones has stepped up a level, Dias has as did Laporte when he joined. Whenever a manager is a good coach like Klopp the players raise their game and develop.

Of course. And the way he's managed City with no real striker and with their best player (DeBryune) out had been superb. He's completely overhauled their approach and tactics from the past 4 seasons and it's put them in pole position to win the league.

Their tactics, and Pep's man-management has been key. As you said, several of their players stepped up their performances, namely Gundogan and Stones, both of whom were vilified and written off last season.
 
Hang on, utd outbid city to get Maguire, Fred and Sanchez, spunked a fortune on pogba, Bruno, martial etc. I can accept criticism from sheff utd, wolves et al but not from a utd fan! I don't know the figures on transfer spend since pep arrived but I'd be surprised if utd aren't too far behind, add to that the wages spent on cavani and ighalo and it's have chucked a serious amount of money at it?

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Was curious so I checked it. This is from 2016/17 onwards.
 
Not going to be popular for saying this but it's gutting to see our rivals with a manager that favours technically gifted players but we have a manager in ole that prefers physical qualities over technical ability and have to constantly watch the team struggle to control games.

As a neutral I think that OGS is doing well at Utd.
 
As a neutral I think that OGS is doing well at Utd.
Dont get me wrong he is doing a decent job but we will continue to struggle to ever match up on the pitch with the best sides in Europe by favouring physical attributes of players over technical ability.
 
If the best in the world then why did he allow a team win its first league title last season for 30 years with 7 games to spare and why hasn't he led City to at least a champions league final?

In fairness, not even the great SAF could win the league every year, allowing a Blackburn to win its first title in 81 years for example (how doesn't matter, a title win by 1 point or 11 or 21 points is still a win), and he had his European struggles for years. He finally climbed that mountain in his 13th year at the club and then watched as his great sides flopped in Europe for nearly another decade.

I do think City should have been in a CL final by now with the funds spent/available but let's stop with the nonsense attempting to knock Pep down. I find his football dull and often requiring a moment of genius to gift a win but he's arguably the best in the world.
 
Geebus! The number of arrivals and departures for the top two is insane. In four years time.
A lot of them have happened due to the model being in place at City, to be fair. So basically CFG signings which were never really intended for City.
 
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A lot of them have happened due to the model being in place at City, to be fair. So basically CFG signings which were never really intended for City.

In fairness, I wish United's departure list had been much higher as well. So much dross retained because of the wages and management ineptitude, sometimes giving new contracts as it was cheaper than paying a transfer fee plus wages for new players. Whereas I'd have agreed to fund half the salaries of that dross if they'd go elsewhere, similar to what US sports clubs have done in the past (NY Yankees were notorious for his).
 
Guardiola won’t be sacked ever. I am always suspicious of anything it’s say or do as there will always be the shadow of FFP handing over them. They were found guilty of over inflating contributions from Sponsors when it was the Sheik splashing the cash but got off because UEFA are as dumb as our FA and left it too long before charging them. So they got off on a technicality. Guardiola is on a reported £19m pa and I wouldn’t be shocked if there was a pension fund in a bank in Abu Dhabi too. Is he a good coach? Well I remember Yaya’s agent saying that if Guardiola managed Grimsby and won the PL, he would be a genius, but he has managed top teams with top players and loads of money so it can’t be that hard.