'Pep' Guardiola sack watch

Cloud7 said:
If I recall correctly, did he not leave Barcelona after 3-4 years because he said that's how long he feels he can work in a job before he needs a break himself? Perhaps it's something he recognized within himself, something that could probably affect his mental health. That was at Barcelona, his boyhood club in his home. If a job like that could cause burnout then any job could.
Click to expand...
He left Barcelona mostly because he did not get along with the president (who was not the one who initially hired him).
 
romufc said:
The thing is its easy to laugh at them... they haven't won in 6 and lost 5 but are 2nd in the PL and will probably qualify for the next round of CL..

Pep's job will never be under question for various reasons:
1. Having what he has over the years, he has enough credit in the bank to not get the pressure
2. If City finish outside top 4 one season, if he feels its too big of a job, he would walk before they can be lingering in 5th/6th.
Click to expand...
Yeah, agreed. If this is the criteria for a sacking (4 titles in a row, "struggling" in season 5 - but you're 2nd in the table)...heaven help the rest of them.
 
romufc said:
The thing is its easy to laugh at them... they haven't won in 6 and lost 5 but are 2nd in the PL and will probably qualify for the next round of CL..

Pep's job will never be under question for various reasons:
1. Having what he has over the years, he has enough credit in the bank to not get the pressure
2. If City finish outside top 4 one season, if he feels its too big of a job, he would walk before they can be lingering in 5th/6th.
Click to expand...
They probably will. Although they currently sit 15th, before half of the teams have completed the round. And they play away at Juventus and PSG next. Will probably sleep walk Bruges at home in the last round and that should suffice. Would certainly be hilarious, though, if they lost the away games and Bruges ends up another draw and they had an early CL exit.
 
I personally don't find jokes about self harm funny, probably as I have personal experience with it. If he is being genuine (I absolutely doubt) then he needs help

But ultimately City not winning in 7 games yeah is funny but they aren't exactly struggling
 
Ish said:
Yeah, agreed. If this is the criteria for a sacking (4 titles in a row, "struggling" in season 5 - but you're 2nd in the table)...heaven help the rest of them.
Click to expand...

It is modern day fan culture right? a few bad results and its manager out.

pep can finish 7th and still be fine imo, he has so much credit in the bank that no City fan should ever want him sacked.

We see it with every club though... alot of Spurs fans were turning on Ange as well.

Funny thing is I see United fans on this forum say he needs to be sacked because of position... then I read the same posters say, I just want to see Amorim get a style of pay and dont care about results.

Its all a lie, no fan cares about style over results.
 
LARulz said:
I personally don't find jokes about self harm funny, probably as I have personal experience with it. If he is being genuine (I absolutely doubt) then he needs help
Click to expand...

I am really surprised more has not been said about this. I do not expect any manager coming out with marks all over his head and nose saying things like I like to self harm.

Its not funny.
 
It is likely that things got heated in the dressing room to the point that the situation got out of hand with a player. He's never been subtle when getting his message through (he's had heated arguments with his players on the pitch with all the cams recording), but there's also a limit to how much criticism the players can take. One way or the other, he should have chosen his words more carefully.
 
romufc said:
It is modern day fan culture right? a few bad results and its manager out.

pep can finish 7th and still be fine imo, he has so much credit in the bank that no City fan should ever want him sacked.

We see it with every club though... alot of Spurs fans were turning on Ange as well.

Funny thing is I see United fans on this forum say he needs to be sacked because of position... then I read the same posters say, I just want to see Amorim get a style of pay and dont care about results.

Its all a lie, no fan cares about style over results.
Click to expand...
Yeah, all part of that instant gratification culture. It’s just very weird - the line of thinking. How can anyone see what Pep’s done for them….and their immediate thinking is that he should be under pressure to keep his job? I mean, yeah; they’re always under pressure to deliver but gosh. There’s been a couple of mentions of “if this was ten Hag, the media would…” I mean, can some really not see the difference between the situations?

Anyhow, not too invested in this. I’m all for City’s downfall (with the only negative being it gives Pool a great chance to capitalise ffs).
 
FFP has screwed them to an extent, they haven't been doing the business in the market that they needed to to stay on top for the last couple of years. They now have too many ageing and/or injury hit players.
 
Blood Mage said:
FFP has screwed them to an extent, they haven't been doing the business in the market that they needed to to stay on top for the last couple of years. They now have too many ageing and/or injury hit players.
Click to expand...

Its not FFP, its arrogance. They have the money to spend it.. look at how they sell players.

They dont like to loan their academy players instead sell them, so you have players like Lavia, Porro, Palmer who would all walk into the team right now, all sold because they did not want to give them game time.

They then went and spent money aimlessly, in Nunes, Doku, Grealish.
 
They're going down and you can see it in how they're playing. Wondering if players will be staying for lower league football, like Pep seems to be or others will follow KDB out of the door at the end of the season.
 
There are definately concerns regarding his recent behaviour:
1. When on the sideline he walks quite calmly towards the sitting area and then out of nothing explodes into a frantic rage and almost demolishes one of the seats.
2. His team talk after 4 defeats he goes absolutely berserk, is out of control and totally loses his rag with his players.
3. Turns up for the Feyenord match with a cut over his nose, which was obviously put there not long before. Scratches on his head in the post match interview which he explains in very strange way.
4. Overall he is becoming more and more incoherent in his interviews. Even thought at one point he was going to spit (like he does on the sidelines) during last nights post match.

As much of a genius he may be, it would appear he can't handle the current negativity surrounding the club. There will be some players already beginning to question his recent actions and that could easily spread.
Who knows where this could end!
 
Very concerning that he's done that to himself. He should have taken a break from football in the summer
 
KiD MoYeS said:
This is mental illness.
Click to expand...

It's not, its sore loser mentality from a manager that has never had results this bad. He is playing up and has always been an insufferable cnut when results don't go his way.

There has not been any signs of mental illness in all the previous successes of City, but as soon as he has a very bad run of results, he starts acting out.
 
He’s always been a weird fella. Current buzzwords associated with Amorim are charm and charisma. Guardiola has never really had any of this; it never mattered because of his ability to coach. I’m not sure it will matter too much with Amorim either.

On a more serious note, I think City will get back on track, but his decision to renew seemed strange at the time. This City squad clearly needs a bit of work.
 
It's not mental illness, people needs to chill. It's natural for a winner to not be content when it's going this bad. He obviously shouldn't be saying he wants to harm hilmself but I'm sure he aware of it as well.
 
romufc said:
Its not FFP, its arrogance. They have the money to spend it.. look at how they sell players.

They dont like to loan their academy players instead sell them, so you have players like Lavia, Porro, Palmer who would all walk into the team right now, all sold because they did not want to give them game time.

They then went and spent money aimlessly, in Nunes, Doku, Grealish.
Click to expand...
This is spot on. Our recruitment has taken a nosedive in recent years. Haaland, Gvardiol and Savinho is good young players that you can see become world-class (Haaland obviously is already) or atleast good enough to maintain the level the club has been at but other than that we have gone straight into the trap of replacing players that leave with worse players while giving too much leeway to the players that are there. Most of the players that performed at their highest level did so under pressure to keep their spot, now when they are aging they suddenly are nailed on to start because of the squad management and the aimless recruitment. The first sign was Walker. It became crystal clear that we were a better team without him during the treble season, and he gave us every chance in the world to let him go on a high, but instead begged him to stay. Now after two more years in his legs he is one of many that needs to be upgraded on. Gündogan left straight after the CL final because we only wanted to offer him a 1-year contract, which currently looks like a genius decision. But we managed to undo the initial right decision by resigning him after he gave Barcelona what looks like his last good year of top level football, and now he is probably the player we most urgently have to replace with some fresh legs. Add an aging De Bruyne, aging Bernardo and injury-struck Stones to the mix, while we get an unlucky but entirely predictable long-term injury to our best player who we have outside a punt on Kalvin Phillips refused to look at cover for, and you have a squad that doesn't have the balance or athleticism to sustain the level of the last few years. And lets not talk about how we have replaced the goals from our widemen.

It isn't a million miles away from where we were in Peps first season, so it isn't like we are talking about writing off seasons just yet. But changes has to be made, hopefully tactically at first.

But I agree completely that the lack of transfer activity does seem to come from a place of arrogance. We certainly have relied on Pep to figure it out a bit too much recent years, which he of course has done brilliantly. This season I'm not sure if there is enough tools there to go from this to a team that can overcome huge point differentials to win the league or be competive enough in Europe. But it is also important to remember that both last season and the treble season were complete write-offs at this stage. We didn't have a patch of games like this but we looked tumescent and devoid of ideas for most of the pre-christmas games in both those seasons. The title in 20/21 is much the same story. It has become a pattern at this point. But it is realistic to think that if the squad get gradually worse while the players gets gradually older the pattern will fail at some point.
 
CoopersDream said:
It's not mental illness, people needs to chill. It's natural for a winner to not be content when it's going this bad. He obviously shouldn't be saying he wants to harm hilmself but I'm sure he aware of it as well.
Click to expand...
I couldn't see Fergie cutting himself if he went winless in 6 games. He'd probably just be really sour faced.

Mourinho would start shouting "respect! Respect" and finger everyone
 
romufc said:
It is modern day fan culture right? a few bad results and its manager out.

pep can finish 7th and still be fine imo, he has so much credit in the bank that no City fan should ever want him sacked.

We see it with every club though... alot of Spurs fans were turning on Ange as well.

Funny thing is I see United fans on this forum say he needs to be sacked because of position... then I read the same posters say, I just want to see Amorim get a style of pay and dont care about results.

Its all a lie, no fan cares about style over results.
Click to expand...
Fan culture doesn’t matter to Abu Dhabi 115. They don’t have fans as such. So the pressure on pep is all from above, and it’s probably a rather fat carrot and one fearsome stick.
 
FeedTheGoat said:
This is spot on. Our recruitment has taken a nosedive in recent years. Haaland, Gvardiol and Savinho is good young players that you can see become world-class (Haaland obviously is already) or atleast good enough to maintain the level the club has been at but other than that we have gone straight into the trap of replacing players that leave with worse players while giving too much leeway to the players that are there. Most of the players that performed at their highest level did so under pressure to keep their spot, now when they are aging they suddenly are nailed on to start because of the squad management and the aimless recruitment. The first sign was Walker. It became crystal clear that we were a better team without him during the treble season, and he gave us every chance in the world to let him go on a high, but instead begged him to stay. Now after two more years in his legs he is one of many that needs to be upgraded on. Gündogan left straight after the CL final because we only wanted to offer him a 1-year contract, which currently looks like a genius decision. But we managed to undo the initial right decision by resigning him after he gave Barcelona what looks like his last good year of top level football, and now he is probably the player we most urgently have to replace with some fresh legs. Add an aging De Bruyne, aging Bernardo and injury-struck Stones to the mix, while we get an unlucky but entirely predictable long-term injury to our best player who we have outside a punt on Kalvin Phillips refused to look at cover for, and you have a squad that doesn't have the balance or athleticism to sustain the level of the last few years. And lets not talk about how we have replaced the goals from our widemen.

It isn't a million miles away from where we were in Peps first season, so it isn't like we are talking about writing off seasons just yet. But changes has to be made, hopefully tactically at first.

But I agree completely that the lack of transfer activity does seem to come from a place of arrogance. We certainly have relied on Pep to figure it out a bit too much recent years, which he of course has done brilliantly. This season I'm not sure if there is enough tools there to go from this to a team that can overcome huge point differentials to win the league or be competive enough in Europe. But it is also important to remember that both last season and the treble season were complete write-offs at this stage. We didn't have a patch of games like this but we looked tumescent and devoid of ideas for most of the pre-christmas games in both those seasons. The title in 20/21 is much the same story. It has become a pattern at this point. But it is realistic to think that if the squad get gradually worse while the players gets gradually older the pattern will fail at some point.
Click to expand...

Agreed on that. What we saw was a long term approach from City before which has now changed.

City used to sign players, regardless of price and almost afford them a season to bed in help out during the season. We have seen multiple players bought whilst still having top players in their positions.

This is why I thought it was arrogance, letting quality players go and not replacing ageing players. Even the fact that they let Alvarez go and did not replace him.

I understand Haaland is first choice and WC but there were games like CL or cups where Haaland is rested and Alvarez came in and done the business, now its like you need Haaland to do the business and has to play alot of the games.

There are alot of ageing players in the squad, Stones, Walker, KDB, Gundogan, Bernado who are / were so key to City's system.

It is a bit of a weird one that Foden has not picked up the mantle and taken himself to another level in the absence of KDB.

This is why I was surprised that Pep signed a 2 year deal as I thought he will have a semi rebuild, so is he willing to rebuild with new players or will he keep going with current players with a few additions?
 
He might ned a break. Has he ever been winless for this long previously?

He looked a bit manic in that interview. I don't think he's stupid enough to joke about self-harm. He's always been fairly measured. I don't care much for the guy, but if he's harming himself in any way, he needs help.
 
Vidyoyo said:
This is a bit weird to me because if he attacked himself, which it looks like, then he should be scrutinised less for what he said in the moment and more for the help he may need to stop him from doing it.

Still, good on him/his PR team for putting the Samaritans link for anyone that needs it.
Click to expand...
Absolutely agree.

He needs some kind of help.
 
simplyared said:
There are definately concerns regarding his recent behaviour:
1. When on the sideline he walks quite calmly towards the sitting area and then out of nothing explodes into a frantic rage and almost demolishes one of the seats.
2. His team talk after 4 defeats he goes absolutely berserk, is out of control and totally loses his rag with his players.
3. Turns up for the Feyenord match with a cut over his nose, which was obviously put there not long before. Scratches on his head in the post match interview which he explains in very strange way.
4. Overall he is becoming more and more incoherent in his interviews. Even thought at one point he was going to spit (like he does on the sidelines) during last nights post match.

As much of a genius he may be, it would appear he can't handle the current negativity surrounding the club. There will be some players already beginning to question his recent actions and that could easily spread.
Who knows where this could end!
Click to expand...
Or he's asking for the sack in a strange way?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.