Penalties

Originally posted by giggzy:
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in your opinion RVN's a cheat..


well in mine, Owens worse.


which would make him a cheat, according to your theory.


now, how easy is that to understand.. even for a liverpool fan?


i don't mind fair comment.. but branding RVN a cheat. and not Owen is biased beyond belief..


carry on, davo... bravo.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Don't worry..

I can see that you're struggling to come to terms with it...

I didn't expect anything else
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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It is you that fails to grasp the point Davo.

Do you not agree that exagerating the foul is a way of cheating?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Read what I've posted so far and draw your own conclusion...

You've failed to understand on your first reading..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Read what I've posted so far and draw your own conclusion...

You've failed to understand on your first reading..</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have read what you posted and it is clear you are biased towards Owen and against RvN.

It is one thing for a player to go down when there is no contact and then claim a penalty...any player that does this is cheating. It is different to where a player exagerates the foul to convince a ref to give a penalty where the ref might be in two minds...again, this is a form of cheating.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Do no wrong in the media's eyes? He's currently being slated on a daily basis for his poor form...so that hardly stands up...

I note that you're not denying that RVN is a cheat, instead focusing on accusing others of similar..</strong><hr></blockquote>

I deny it for one. I don't care rat shit about Owen, but I would say that all strikers make the most of any opportunity. Including Owen, I'm afraid. If you deny even that you're clearly blinkered.

Again, having been booked for diving myself when I did not, only tripped and fell over, I can say that not all dives are actually dives. I'm no Premier League footballer, but all people do fall over on their own sometimes without contact from anyone else. Its clumsy and stupid but its not a dive and therefore not cheating.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Do no wrong in the media's eyes? He's currently being slated on a daily basis for his poor form...so that hardly stands up...

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If I read the papers right, its Houllier that's getting slated for Owen's poor form. He's St Michael who shits roses after all...
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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what type of a response is that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well you're not going anywhere are you?

Whatever I say you're going to respond with "Owen is a cheat"..whats the point?
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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I have read what you posted and it is clear you are biased towards Owen and against RvN.

It is one thing for a player to go down when there is no contact and then claim a penalty...any player that does this is cheating. It is different to where a player exagerates the foul to convince a ref to give a penalty where the ref might be in two minds...again, this is a form of cheating.</strong><hr></blockquote>


To exagerate a fall on being fouled could be defined as cheating yes...but if you are fouled the fair decision is a penalty so its far more understandable...and its very common amongst most strikers in football today..

To dive when not touched is clearly worse, and is blatant cheating..

Or do you dispute that?
 
Originally posted by spinoza:
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If I read the papers right, its Houllier that's getting slated for Owen's poor form. He's St Michael who shits roses after all...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well you obviously don't read them "right"..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Well you obviously don't read them "right"..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Neither do you I'm afraid. Plenty of stuff about Houllier and Owen after the Valencia game.

In all fairness to you though, I don't particularly care. You don't find me posting 22000 times on some Liverpool website.
 
who gives a feck? these things tend to even themselves out over a season.
we had one clear penalty turned down & a penalty given to us that shouldnt have been.
 
Originally posted by spinoza:
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Neither do you I'm afraid. Plenty of stuff about Houllier and Owen after the Valencia game.

In all fairness to you though, I don't particularly care. You don't find me posting 22000 times on some Liverpool website.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you're saying Owen has come in for no media criticism this season then?

Yeah..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Well you're not going anywhere are you?

Whatever I say you're going to respond with "Owen is a cheat"..whats the point?</strong><hr></blockquote>

futile argument mate.


u call RVN a cheat(i don't agree.)


yet u don't consider Owen one....


myopic fans eh?
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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futile argument mate.


u call RVN a cheat(i don't agree.)


yet u don't consider Owen one....


myopic fans eh?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly...you are myopic, you should try to be a bit more objective like myself... ;)

Then you may see a possible reason why Van Divealrooy may struggle to get decisons..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Exactly...you are myopic, you should try to be a bit more objective like myself... ;)

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most fans are ..but u take the biscuit.

owens a *cheat and YOU know ittttttttttttt ;)

*owens a cheat based on Davo's guidelines.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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most fans are ..but u take the biscuit.

owens a *cheat and YOU know ittttttttttttt ;)

*owens a cheat based on Davo's guidelines.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think I'm fairly objective..

I can admit that Diouf goes to ground far too easily and that it costs us decisions, but don't believe that Owen does the same...

You on the other hand fail to ackowledge that RVN does when the Ipswich game provides a blatant, and undefendable, example...
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Exactly...you are myopic, you should try to be a bit more objective like myself... ;)

Then you may see a possible reason why Van Divealrooy may struggle to get decisons..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry Davo, I suggest you go and lie down in a quiet room untils your eyesight comes back.
Can I just get this straight! If Owen falls down when breathed on, this is exagerating a foul.
If RVN does the same, he's a cheat <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
I must get some glasses like that!
You appear to have difficulty coping with the idea that Mr Owen is not God's first born, and is therefore different to the rest of us
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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I think I'm fairly objective..

but don't believe that Owen does the same...

QB]<hr></blockquote>

Do you believe in fairies as well <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
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Sorry Davo, I suggest you go and lie down in a quiet room untils your eyesight comes back.
Can I just get this straight! If Owen falls down when breathed on, this is exagerating a foul.
If RVN does the same, he's a cheat <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
I must get some glasses like that!
You appear to have difficulty coping with the idea that Mr Owen is not God's first born, and is therefore different to the rest of us</strong><hr></blockquote>

You've added nothing new..

RVN never dives when not touched e.g. Ipswich

Owen dives e.g. when?
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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thats from the perspective of myopic fan.


kinell, he's a kin diver. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


What happened to the rest of my post?

No answer... ;)
 
This thread seems to have derailed, I thought it was about penalties, of which Owen is shite and RVN is the best. Purely on stats ofcourse, as Owen is having one of his bad patches, he'll come out of it.

;)
 
Originally posted by 2Bullish:
<strong>This thread seems to have derailed, I thought it was about penalties, of which Owen is shite and RVN is the best. Purely on stats ofcourse, as Owen is having one of his bad patches, he'll come out of it.

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd agree with that...


Apart from the Owen coming good at penalties bit..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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RVN never dives when not touched e.g. Ipswich

Owen dives e.g. when?</strong><hr></blockquote>

argentina 98, argentina 02, valenica 02.

(of course they were legit in your eyes)

three from the top of my head.


there's been more, infact he does it more often than most other strikers.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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You've added nothing new..

RVN never dives when not touched e.g. Ipswich

Owen dives e.g. when?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You really should read the post before you reply!
Are you seriously arguing that MO has NEVER gone down dishonestly in the penalty area. The Argentina example is an excellent example. IF he was touched at all, which I still seriously doubt, he still went down like a sack of spuds, for which there is no justification. THAT IS CHEATING! It is irrelevant whether you are standing next to someone at the time or not. I have never claimed that RVN didn't dive against Ipswich, over 12 months ago. The problem I have is with someone being so naive as to claim Michael Owen does not go down in the area unless fouled! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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argentina 98, argentina 02, valenica 02.

(of course they were legit in your eyes)

three from the top of my head.


there's been more, infact he does it more often than most other strikers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thank You Giggzy :D
 
There was clearly contact in all of those incidents...and Owen went down, like RVN did vs Boro

Far cry from RVN vs Ipswich..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>There was clearly contact in all of those incidents...and Owen went down, like RVN did vs Boro

Far cry from RVN vs Ipswich..</strong><hr></blockquote>

rubbish
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Originally posted by Davo:
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So you're saying Owen has come in for no media criticism this season then?

Yeah..</strong><hr></blockquote>

No. I merely point out that the papers have slated Houllier for Owen's bad form recently, rather than Owen himself. St Michael isn't exactly besieged with exaggerated media accusations from all sides, however much you may like to think so.

:rolleyes: You're just as biased as we are... that holier than thou attitude is plain hypocrisy.
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
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rubbish
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Cracking response...

You know when you're beaten...
 
Originally posted by spinoza:
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No. I merely point out that the papers have slated Houllier for Owen's bad form recently, rather than Owen himself. St Michael isn't exactly besieged with exaggerated media accusations from all sides, however much you may like to think so.

:rolleyes: You're just as biased as we are... that holier than thou attitude is plain hypocrisy.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you're saying that GH and Owen have come under fire?

So whats the significance of your point then? You originally claimed Owen was the media darling and had received no flak....

Outstanding
 
what's so difficult to understand about the difference between 1) being fouled and making sure the referee sees it by exagerrating your fall somewhat and 2) throwing yourself to the ground without actually being fouled?


one is merely professionalism, the other is outright cheating. . .
 
And theres never been a Liverpool player guilty of that?

:rolleyes:


What a pointless thread this has become. Its only point is to deflect attention away from Owen being shite at penalties and RVN being the best.

"yes hes a good penalty taker but hes a cheat, and anyway Owens going through a bad patch" boo hoo.
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong> 2) throwing yourself to the ground without actually being fouled?


one is merely professionalism, the other is outright cheating. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

owen WC'98: clearly went down without being touched.

must be a cheat.
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>what's so difficult to understand about the difference between 1) being fouled and making sure the referee sees it by exagerrating your fall somewhat and 2) throwing yourself to the ground without actually being fouled?


one is merely professionalism, the other is outright cheating. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because the difference is a matter of degree. Its like saying stealing a £1 mr whippy is okay but stealing a £20,000 car isn't.

Make up your mind. I for one believe that all strikers make the most of any situation. If you punish for one you shouldn't punish for the other. In any case I give Van Nistelrooy the benefit of the doubt. As I said, you CAN fall down without anyone touching you. Try playing as a striker and see.
 
Originally posted by 2Bullish:
<strong>And theres never been a Liverpool player guilty of that?

:rolleyes:


What a pointless thread this has become. Its only point is to deflect attention away from Owen being shite at penalties and RVN being the best.

"yes hes a good penalty taker but hes a cheat, and anyway Owens going through a bad patch" boo hoo.</strong><hr></blockquote>


i never said that.

there's been plenty of liverpool players guilty of exagerrating when fouled, but i struggle to think of one who's an outright cheat and fakes a foul / injury.

and i'm with davo in the owen-shouldn't-take-our-penalties camp. . .
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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So you're saying that GH and Owen have come under fire?

So whats the significance of your point then? You originally claimed Owen was the media darling and had received no flak....

Outstanding</strong><hr></blockquote>

I haven't made any claims. All I did was point out your error about Michael Owen getting "slated for his form on a daily basis". He doesn't. His manager takes most of the blame. Like I said, he's St Michael who shits roses.

Read the posts. Jesus Christ on a bike... :rolleyes:

Anyway. You're clearly just as biased when it comes to Liverpool as I am when it comes to Man united. The difference is that I freely admit it and I don't play the hypocrite on Koptalk.
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>what's so difficult to understand about the difference between 1) being fouled and making sure the referee sees it by exagerrating your fall somewhat and 2) throwing yourself to the ground without actually being fouled?


one is merely professionalism, the other is outright cheating. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>


You mean there's a difference? Glad you've spotted it...

Daft cnuts aren't they?

;)