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Pedro | Agreed terms with Chelsea
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Just had a look at few of his performances from the last two seasons. I don't know what people are on about when they say that he's gone downhill since 2011, the difference I can see is that he doesn't play that often because he has Neymar and Suarez ahead of him - two players that would be the best players in the league if they came to England. He looks very good technically, has pace, has a great shot, is a good finisher and can drible very well. 28 is no age really, he can easily go for 3-4 seasons and then we will probably ship him to Turkey or something.
That's not the difference. With all due respect you aren't going to be able to tell how he performs now compared to a few years by just cherry picking some performances.
His pace is as good as ever, as is his work rate, enthusiasm and movement. Don't think the rest of his game is as good as it was and his consistency is not there anyway. He's not the lethal finisher he was when he first broke through - still clinical, just not to the same extent.
I won't argue that he's better in the centre. Still, he's more capable on the wing than people give him credit for, some of his best football both for us and Chelsea has been when he's has licence to roam from out wide. I'm definitely fine with him being given a starting berth on the right in our new look midfield. Pedro can just as easily play on the left tbh so it doesn't have to be either or.
Not on the right. Thats when he's had mediocre performances, but popped up with a nice goal masking it. He's not going to score every week so he needs to be effective in the buildup play. On the right he's average
Well it's hard to maintain the same level of consistency if you're not playing much. Likewise finishing, I'd say that it could possibly be due to the fact that his confidence is lower - understandably because since he's not a regular and will only get limited chances, he will feel less confident on the pitch.
It dipped before his minutes were reduced though. Probably his drop in consistency that led to him being replaced rather than vice versa...
At Chelsea, he changed positions with Oscar and Hazard all the time and started from the right fairly often IIRC. Its not like he'll be asked to play there in a rigid 4-4-2 like Moyes had him doing. I don't really think which side he plays on makes too much of a difference, it only really does when it's a winger who's main objective is either getting crosses in or shooting, neither of which he is. It would give us more balance to have him on one wing and one of Pedro/Memphis on the other, rather than having two wingers who would!d basically be looking to get in behind defences - unless I've misjudged Depay.
Considering the quality of players they have replaced him with I am not surprised that he has been replaced at all, if you have an opportunity to go after 2 of the top 5 forwards in the world you do that. Sanchez would have been pushed down by the acquisition of Suarez and he's a very good player too.
For £20m Pedro will be a good signing and should quickly become one of the best forwards in the league if he regains his form prior Suarez and Neymar arrival, and I think he can.
Well he did that in his poor season that convinced Chelsea to let him go, I dont see how thats proof that he is a good right winger. In theory he should be okay on the right sure, but in practice his performances have been underwhelming. Its just he's popped up with some nice goals so he's still been useful at times and we had limited options so he kinda played by default
Agreed.
Amazing how underrated Januzaj is on this forum. We won't have 25 games to spare for another important player in the wide positions In our front line.
Cadena Cope saying you're not willing to pay his 30M buyout clause.
We need a wide playmaker, not another wideforward. We already have that in depay and we can't afford Rooney/Depay struggling for service.
There are always late bloomers in the sport. He can always hold the fort whenever depay can't play.
He wouldn't. You guys are crazy if you think we're getting a Sanchez level player here.
And we all know there is only one way to find out by actually judging him in the PL. Until then its just a matter of opinions whether he will have an impact or not (in the scenario that he will be signed).
True. However its a strange statement as neither of them play the same role as he does. However they do have world class potential while he just doesn't have. That's the reason they bolstered their attack in the first place.
Sanchez didn't set it alight at Barca, Arsenal was a great level for him. A club like Liverpool would be a good level for Pedro to set it alight, but we should still be interested - he would be a quality squad, team player.
Delighred with that.
He did that in his most productive spells with Chelsea too, the difference being he was a regular feature in the team then. We should hardly judge him too much on his last six months or whatever at Chelsea when it was obvious mourinho didn't want him. It's not like he was an out and out #10 under Chelsea's previous managers - where he actually started didn't matter too much and it shouldn't now, especially if we either get Pedro or keep AdM who can just as easily play on either side (from what I know about Memphis he seems like he's more effected by which side of the pitch he's on and would be somewhat wasted spending lots of time on the right). And he was also really good on the left of a 4-3-3 when Sturridge played on the right so, with that in mind I'd be happy for him to start there and have Pedro/AdM on the right.
If we're honest he's hardly set the world on fire while played as a #10 here - you could probably argue a case for saying peoples perception of his performances on the right of a 4-3-3 are inflated by some nice goals - but the standard of his performances in that four game run showed clear improvement IMO.
Oscar and Hazard were only there that season where he had to make do on the right. Before that he was the main man as a number 10. Its because they came in that he had to be moved
Yes he was decent on the left with Sturridge playing from the right, but again thats not the right wing. In the right wing position Pedro is miles better
That doesn't make any sense.
His buyout clause is 30 million euros and we aren't willing to meet it apparently...
I know, which doesn't make any sense, it's roughly £22M and in this market that is very much a fair price for a good player like Pedro who has bags of top level experience.
Agreed.
I'd say the only reason we may not be immediately meeting it is because we are attempting to flesh out several options at once. Possibly a couple of strikers/attackers elsewhere as well.
I hope we stop mucking about if we're keen to sign him though. 22mil is a very reasonable buyout clause. My sense is, he's not desperate to leave Barca, much less to join us (only) if he decides to do so. We should not miss this window of opportunity.
Pedro will be immediately above Januzaj in pecking order and by quite some distance too. I don't know how after last season you could possibly conclude that Januzaj will be ahead of him, what Januzaj probably needs at the minute is a loan to a club where he will have a chance to play.
Marca saying Barça and United are in talks over Pedro.
http://www.marca.com/en/2015/07/24/en/football/barcelona/1437722377.html
http://www.marca.com/en/2015/07/24/en/football/barcelona/1437722377.html
Might have something to do with him being a bit niff after his first dozen performances or thereabouts.
We talking about the same Januzaj here?
He's not underrated, he just had a really bad season. And its a fair question if he will even make it at United or elsewhere.
If anything I'd say he's overrated by some.
Januzaj will be fine. Inconsistency is expected at his age.
I may be totally wrong here, but isn't there an additional tax or complication in Spain (or law, in general) when a player has to buy out his release clause, versus just having a club agree a deal straight?
Maybe it's not because we don't value him at 22m, it's just that Barca's insisting the only way he leaves is buying out his own contract, thus making the price more than 22m? I could be clutching obviously, so apologies.
Hoping we'll get this one all wrapped up before the end of the month. I'm sure the Barca-United fixture has delayed it a little bit.
I agree. Raw talent is one thing but you need to improve quickly over a short period and show consistency. Asi ti stands he's had some great performances in an awful season the year before last but hasnt kicked on. His decision making is, at times, awful - and that's a major factor in what makes you a regular in a top 4 side. Without it, it's not going to happen.
He deserves a chance to put that right but if he's up against quality player then so be it. he needs to earn a place in the team on merit, not have it gifted by virtue of being a former youth player.
Maybe he had a 2nd season bluse so to say. I would compare his situation with that of Mateo Kovačić. Great talent but nobody is sure whats his best position and he has been shifted around a lot so his form dipped a lot in last 2 years.
We need to figure out which is Januzaj's best position and give him more chances there. Problem is if his best position is nr. we're already stacked there and he needs to grab his every chance now.
Misused youngster has poor season at united= overrated youngster who might not even make it?
Talent is there and should be clear for all to see.
Pedro and him shouldn't be competing for the same position. Don't know what people are all of a sudden comparing them.
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