He's exactly the type of player we don't need more of in attack. Talented but not a winner. We need people who turn up on the biggest stages as well as having a bit of quality. It's defence where we lack talent, not up front. That's where we lack mentality.
Paulo Dybala
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I enjoy watching Dybala when he's in full flow but I'd question his suitability for this United side. From what we've seen of Solskjaer, we know he appreciates industry and flexibility from his players, and Dybala doesn't exactly hold up in either respect.
Even if he's out of favour at Juve, Dybala will still command a huge fee and we've got to start thinking more carefully about how we spend if we're going to get back to competing at the very top level. Is he more likely to be someone that takes us a couple of levels forward or a selection headache for a manager who cannot fit him in his system?
Even if he's out of favour at Juve, Dybala will still command a huge fee and we've got to start thinking more carefully about how we spend if we're going to get back to competing at the very top level. Is he more likely to be someone that takes us a couple of levels forward or a selection headache for a manager who cannot fit him in his system?
Way down the priority list of what and where we need to strengthen currently added to the cost, this ones a no go
Anyone else think it's funny that Dybala can't play with Messi ("they occupy the same space" or whatever) and now it looks like he can't properly play with Ronaldo either?
I'd definitely take him for the Mata/Lingard role. The reality is there aren't many players of his quality around and available. He might be at odds with Allegri but he's a star player.
I do have some doubts whether he'll be the best fit for the premier league, but nothing like Jorginho levels of doubt. He's not weak or meek. I'd love him to play at the false nine role for us.
I do have some doubts whether he'll be the best fit for the premier league, but nothing like Jorginho levels of doubt. He's not weak or meek. I'd love him to play at the false nine role for us.
Yeah it's hilarious. Why does that shock you? All of those players demand a lot of the ball and play in the same position, off a striker or as support strikers. They are very similar
He would end up at PSG I reckon
Neymar - Dybala - Mbappe
Neymar - Dybala - Mbappe
I agree. I dont think Dybala is unsuited for the PL, with the right manager and tactics, the boy would thrive. He has immense talent, but never got the team built around him. Before Ronaldo with a more central role and important key player offensively, he was improving every year.
not really. If Dybala is getting overlooked respectively if he is there to serve Roanldo, of course his level will drop. If you watched Juve this season, their main tactic is to feed Mandzukic and Ronaldo with crosses. That is Allegri for you. Everyone will tell you that their level of performances have dropped this season, their individual quality is enough to beat most teams in their league, but most games werent good enough from a top team with these players in it.
They can buy Joao Felix to replace Dybala, but the boy will have a hard time when he gets played out wide to accommodate Ronaldo in the middle and him being there to provide service for the 2 guys waiting in the middle for crosses. And Allegri playing 3 centrally in midfield means no CAM/SS role either.
Surprised so many are against him. We could definitely fit him into our side and it's not like there's a set working structure in attack at the moment anyway.
He'd do well at Liverpool, Spurs or United, basically any team that plays on the counter with a fluid front 3.
Because he's not suited to complement neither Messi nor Ronaldo.
Dybala offers nothing else apart from goal scoring which isn't something that can complement Ronaldo's style of play. He doesn't have the holdup play nor the vision to operate alongside Ronaldo in attack. Also, he doesn't have the linkup play nor the vision to operate as a false 9 striker.
With Messi, Dybala would operates in the same space as a SS and this could affect Messi's impact in a team. I really don't know if Dybala can make the step up to a pure striker because he's got this lethal fierce shots on him with lot of precision.
Whatever it is, I don't want him here. I would rather we go for Felix than have him here.
That's so far off the mark I'm inclined to believe you've not watched him play even once.
I watched him play against us for a start. He's got a good cross on him but that's just it. He has this tunnel vision style whenever I've seen him play. Maybe I'm quite harsh but that's what I see in his play. Besides, Ronaldo prefers operating as a shadow striker behind an imposing striker who can hold up the play like Mandzuki in a 442 setup or a false 9 striker in a 433 setup like Benzema. Dybala isn't anything like this.
Its looking likely that Ole wants to play Pogba as a 10 or advanced midfielder in a three, so I can't really see where Dybala would fit in unless he goes with a 442 diamond or 3142.
That said, I personally want to see wingers. We struggle to break teams down because a lack of width.
Going forward, im hoping Ole goes with the formation he started with.
That said, I personally want to see wingers. We struggle to break teams down because a lack of width.
Going forward, im hoping Ole goes with the formation he started with.
What does a statement like “not a winner” even mean, though? In a bit more than 3 season with Juventus, he has turned up and scored in important matches vs. Roma, Milan, Internazionale, Lazio (in the last minute which gave Juventus their 10th title over Napoli), Tottenham, Bayern, United (where he was one of the best players on the pitch)...
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ited-juventus-champions-league-player-ratings
And was cracking vs. Barcelona:
Of course, he can't turn up in every major game and football is above everything else a team sport, and he wasn't super effective vs. Real Madrid in Cardiff, but was Del Piero also not a winner because he lost back-to-back Champions League finals and missed critical chances at EURO 2000?
Dybala has shown a bit more than Salah in Italy at comparable ages, and while he's not as quick, he's a more creative forward who could excel under a manager who consistently puts him in favorable conditions in a dynamic attack (which Allegri hasn't always because he first used him as a deep attacking midfielder following Higuaín's transfer, and with Ronaldo's crowning as Juventus' principal in attack, Dybala is left to play subsidiary roles out wide off Mandzukić — which seem more suited to Bernardeschi).
IMO, if Dybala is available at a reasonable price, seems motivated and we plan on shaking things up, United shouldn't turn up its nose at a quality player because he doesn't fulfill some nebulous winner™ criteria, unless we can procure someone better or more talented.
I'd sign him without hesitation. Not only is he a decent goalscorer, he makes good decisions in and around the box and is best in a formation we actually play.
Dybala is an absolute world class player, and I think we should be in for him if Juventus wants to sell for a reasonable price. We would get a decent 4231 setup:
Pogba - Fred
RW - Dybala - Rashford
Lukaku
Pogba - Fred
RW - Dybala - Rashford
Lukaku
How do Messi and Ronaldo play in the same position?
Wow, a midfield 2 Fred and Pogba! This would never work!
Dybala is a luxury player, really overrated, will cost a bomb, he's hiding whet it matters. Please, don't buy him!
Yes, I understand that it's largely Allegri's fault. A new manager might get it done.
Look, if you've never seen him play, maybe avoid talking about him
Does Dybala have the vision of Messi in the SS role? or Robben's vision whenever he plays as a SS?
It's you who should stop projecting your imagination or what you think Dybala is because the fact remains, he's not a visionary SS. Dybala is no different from having a goal scoring Isco in the team. I don't even fancy Griezman who's got good linkup play, let alone Dybala. If I would want a SS in our team, I would want a visionary one in the mould of Messi, Arjen Robben for the Dutch team in the world cup, not Dybala. Why did you think Juve want a visionary false 9 striker in Felix in the place of Dybala?
I wouldn't mind him if he can make the step up to a pure striker because he's got terrific shot on him.
He'll be 26 in November, he's practically retirement age.
For those who have seen him regularly, Does he work in a false nine role that we employed against Spurs with Rashford and Martial on either side?
We need genuine quality in our attack and I think he's on the market this summer.
We need genuine quality in our attack and I think he's on the market this summer.
I think the biggest problem with Dybala is that he seems more like a #10 than a striker or a winger, and not very many clubs play with a #10 these days. Most teams are playing a straight up 4-3-3...
He had a very good partnership with Pogba a few years ago, what position was he playing then? Was he a number 10, SS, or striker?
My point was the total transformation in Lamela not his ability. I think if you compare both at the same age you would be quite surprised at their performances in Italy. Lamela scored 15 goals for Roma in his second season I think he was 21 or 22. At the same age Dybala was still at Polermo, had Lamela had stayed in Italy I believe he would have developed much better than he did so it’s very unfair to compare the 2. Have a look at Lamela’s last season at Roma he was brilliant.
One of the strikers in a 3-5-2.
I don't think we'll sign him but we've played 3-5-2 a few times under Solskjaer, if we moved on one of the strikers could he be worth taking a look at? I've seen him a fair amount in other positions but never had the chance to watch him as a striker, I do like his skill set. He was brilliant against us at OT, I thought.
That team will still suck.
Dybala is highly inconsistent. No question he will improve us but don't expect him to be pulling down any trees. Anything more than 70m is a joke for him.
Swap Lukaku for him?
If I had to take a gamble on someone thriving in a different team and set up, it'd be him. Him and Rashford could be an excellent combination.
Retirement joke aside, time really flies by in football without you realizing it. The last time I thought about his age he was about 22-23.
He doesn't have Messi's vision, nobody does. He has much better vision than Robben, better passing, more creative. Robben was a destroyer, the attribute that made him so special was his dribbling.
Dybala has been used as a creative midfielder by Allegri in two of his 4 seasons there. He's also really really good at link-up play, combinations, and even shielding the ball
Think Del Piero or Baggio or Platini
I know Lamela was brilliant at Roma. I also know Dybala's 14/15 season at Palermo was levels above Lamela's best season in Italy
—————DDG—————
————Defence————-
—————Rice—————
——-Eriksen—Pogba——-
Sancho—Dybala—Rashford
————Defence————-
—————Rice—————
——-Eriksen—Pogba——-
Sancho—Dybala—Rashford
I'd sell Lukaku and give Dybala freedom to play up front as a striker.
He'd be lethal on the counter, be able to get in behind defenders, have better overall play, and probably better goalscoring too IMO.
Martial, Rashford, Sancho and Pogba could run into the space he leaves whenever he tries to stay outside the box, for his trademark long distance goals.
He'd be lethal on the counter, be able to get in behind defenders, have better overall play, and probably better goalscoring too IMO.
Martial, Rashford, Sancho and Pogba could run into the space he leaves whenever he tries to stay outside the box, for his trademark long distance goals.
He is the type of player who if a club like Bayern or Liverpool sign him, then he scores a wonder goal or a hat trick, and suddenly he'll be unattainable.