Er, what? It really isn't.
His ball striking technique is brilliant, the rest is just fine.
Xavi, Iniesta, Scholes, Messi, Zidane - Technically brilliant.
Gerrard - Not so much.
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His ball striking technique is brilliant, the rest is just fine.
Xavi, Iniesta, Scholes, Messi, Zidane - Technically brilliant.
Gerrard - Not so much.
Zidane had better technique, I grant you that. And Messi. Xavi and Iniesta, there are some things they do better than him, others he does better than them. But anyway, picking the best players in the world and saying they've got better technique isn't much of an argument that someone doesn't have great technique.
Get Gerrard and Scholes on a pitch and ask them to do anything, hit a volley, hit a long pass or free-kick, trap the ball, control it at full pelt, beat a man, head a spinning ball accurately, there wouldn't be much Scholes could do better than Gerrard, and there'd be some things (like that turn he did the other day against Stoke) that he could do better than Scholes. In fact I'm not sure anyone in the PL could have done that off the cuff except maybe Berbatov.
Where Scholes wins out is in his head. Judgement, decision-making, discipline in possession.
Anyone who doesn't think Gerrard's got exceptional technique has never seen him play, or has never played the game, or is just an absolute Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
Get Gerrard and Scholes on a pitch and ask them to do anything, hit a volley, hit a long pass or free-kick, trap the ball, control it at full pelt, beat a man, head a spinning ball accurately, there wouldn't be much Scholes could do better than Gerrard, and there'd be some things (like that turn he did the other day against Stoke) that he could do better than Scholes. In fact I'm not sure anyone in the PL could have done that off the cuff except maybe Berbatov.
Where Scholes wins out is in his head. Judgement, decision-making, discipline in possession.
Anyone who doesn't think Gerrard's got exceptional technique has never seen him play, or has never played the game, or is just an absolute Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
Truesay, blud.
He's a cracking player. Might be on the wrong side of the divide, but the lad's got a shitload of ability.
Most players CAN do literally everything well if you ask them to. It's how consistantly they do it that determines these things. Scholes is ridiculously good in terms of his technique. Gerrard is good, like Lampard but better.
Btw, what is Gerrard better at than Messi? Considering he doesn't really play in midfield at all, tackling which is the only thing i can think of apart from maybe heading is all i can think of and it's negated in that position he plays in.
Messi is the better dribbler, more creative, scores more, better technique, better passer and just by miles a more talented footballer.
Scholes is a Ferrari
Gerrard is a Hummer
but claiming that Gerrard is technically the best English player is stretching the truth much too far. Rooney is better
Long range shooting for one.
Again i'm not judging Gerrard as a player. Fantastic player but IMO technique isn't one of his main strengths. Altheticism, physique, drive and ball striking are.
Gerrard is a great player but I think Scholes has better technique and more importantly the abilty to use it - then again maybe their technique is equal and Scholes just bases his game on it more.
It it really isn't. He rarely does things that a jaw dropingly good technically. When on fire the way Rooney and Scholes often do for example.
I guess. It hardly matters now does it when Messi scores more than him.
Gerrard can do all those things consistently. What he can't do consistently is judge well when is the right time to attempt some of them (like long, difficult passes).
Well, I agreed that Messi had better technique if you read the post. But since you ask, Gerrard's shooting technique from distance is better, his volleying's better, his long passing and heading are probably as good, and he has better technique in the tackle.
I reckon Gerrard's a better crosser than Messi too.
Milan offered him something when Berlusconi was picking up every other moving object in the market.
Yeah...he can swagger across the road faster than Messi.
See that's just a convenient excuse. Lampard can also do those things as inconsistantly as Gerrard. Does that mean he also has the ability to do it more often but his judgment lets him down, and that in truth he's as good as Scholes and Messi in this regard? Nope.
Shooting from distance and volleying are part of balls striking. His tackling is better but he's pretty much a forward so it doesn't even matter. Messi is a more intelligent footballer, his dribbling isn't just better is on a different planet, he's more creative, he's a better goalscorer, better passer etc etc.
What Gerrard has over Messer IMO is mostly to do with athleticism and physique. But Messi despite his small size uses his body very well.
To be fair, you can't really compare someone to the best footballer in the world at the moment and make an argument out of it.
I've reasoned that Gerrard attempts too many hollywood passes, but Plech says the fact that he can make the passes consistently means he's got a better technique. By that yardstick, Lampard can't be too far off Gerrard.
True. But Messi doesn't need to cross as well as that to be fair.
Fecking hell Plech..Zidane is one of the greatest of all time, who was comparable to him barring Fat Ronaldo. I see no point in deriding our ginger genius, pointing he isnt as good as Zidane.
As for Scholes, some three seasons went wasted when Fergie tied him up with some bit part players Kleberson, Miller remember him? , Fletcher (yes that same player Robbo hated).
Admit Fabregas is much better at the same age but I also dont see Xavi doing any better Scholes had he made to partner along with Keane in the late 90's whilst a young Scholes being as good as Xavi had he played in the Spanish league now.
Watch Gerrard next time, even his six yard passes takes two touches to control lacking precision or guile, in the premiership any footballer with running ability and power can reveal and Gerrard along with a good striking technique with his right foot notches up goals, thats all.
Arrigo Sacchi once he was a sporting director at Madrid echoed the same comments when queried about Gerrard - try in GOOGLE. He knows a lot better in football than Kemo and Rubber chief put together.
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Liverpool-Kop: Arrigo Sacchi: Steven Gerrard is not a 'great player'
No, because it's not like Gerrard is trying, say, to hit Hollywood balls and spooning it out of play, the problem is he chooses the wrong moment for them, either the forward is not in position or the defender can cover. It's not a question of technique, it's mental.
As for Lampard, he has far, far less natural technical ability than Gerrard, but through very impressive discipline and application he's actually turned himself into if anything a more effective player. He confines himself to what he can do well, while still improving himself so more skills fit into that category, and his decision-making is virtually perfect.
Creativity isn't technique, it's a separate category alongside technique. Technique is your ability to manipulate the ball to make it do what you want. Creativity is more to do with what you want to do with it in the first place.
As for goalscoring, when it comes to actual shooting I'd say Gerrard was better. I'd normally consider technique limited to what you do with the ball, but I suppose you could just about argue there's a technique involved in making runs, and yes Messi is better at that.
Yes, as I said in the first post and have not at any point denied, Messi has better overall technique than Gerrard.
Dunno what you mean by unbeliveable technique, if the player runs all across the park like a yard dog he would appear he's all over the pitch...Take the striking technique out of Gerrard, he isnt better than an iguana.
Sorry, i just don't get your argument. If it is manipulating the ball to do what you want, Scholes is miles ahead. Just look at his artistery over the football, he's as good at doing most things Gerrard does well and better at the rest. Anyway we'll have to agree because i'm of the opinion that Gerrard is a great athlete with a great strike on him whereas you see him as technicaly gifted.
Kind of agree. Hitting the ball really hard and accurately while running really fast is fecking hard and Gerrard is great at it ... his technique for that is unrivalled but overall I'd say if he had to sit back and dictate the play with accurate well weighted passes and manipulate space and room in midfield with his touch - he couldn't do it half as well as Scholes.
Scholes' passing and ability to find space is on a different planet. Which is why he's a fantastic CM. . .and Gerrard seems not to know his best position. Well Capello and Rafa both can't be wrong can they.
Gerrard has good technique, but to compare it to Messi and Scholes is really off the mark.
Gerrard's main strengths lie in his shooting and overall play which when played correctly is very good. However, Scholes is a far better passer of the ball. In short, quick passing exchanges Scholes can leave the opponents dizzy, like Xavi. Over long distances, he can drop it onto the foot of the player, with the correct spin. He can loft the ball with backspin high, to slow it in the air and give the player more time to get on the end of it, or he can curl it with the outside of his foot around multiple defenders.
Gerrard doesn't have that passing range, his shooting is comparable to Scholes, both are extremely dangerous. Gerrard gets into dangerous positions more often though.
Rooney's technique is superior to Gerrard, his passing is also almost as good as Scholes'.
Gerrard's main strengths lie in his shooting and overall play which when played correctly is very good. However, Scholes is a far better passer of the ball. In short, quick passing exchanges Scholes can leave the opponents dizzy, like Xavi. Over long distances, he can drop it onto the foot of the player, with the correct spin. He can loft the ball with backspin high, to slow it in the air and give the player more time to get on the end of it, or he can curl it with the outside of his foot around multiple defenders.
Gerrard doesn't have that passing range, his shooting is comparable to Scholes, both are extremely dangerous. Gerrard gets into dangerous positions more often though.
Rooney's technique is superior to Gerrard, his passing is also almost as good as Scholes'.
The 224 mph balls hit in in the general direction of Torres, if not for the close control from princess many would've gone down the drain. These random hits so far has terminated the careers of Crouch, Voronin, Luis Garcia and sent Morientez to early retirement. Ryan Babel still cannot figure out what the feck is happenning, only Kuyt has a good telephatic understanding with Stevie G...it doesnt shock me either.
Sorry for not replying in depth Vijay... you're a nice bloke but your arguments in this case are literally too retarded to bother engaging with... no more useful than El Hadji Diouf... crossing roads... Arrigo Sacchi says... iguanas.... 
Amol - just a recent example off the top of my head, I'd be surprised if anyone in the Prem except Berbatov and maybe Rooney could have pulled this off in a match:
Amol - just a recent example off the top of my head, I'd be surprised if anyone in the Prem except Berbatov and maybe Rooney could have pulled this off in a match:
To be fair, Gerrard's box office. He's a player you'd pay to watch. Lampard maybe the better midfielder. . .but I know who I'd rather watch.
Rooney's technique is superior to Gerrard, easy there but dont think his passing ability or reading the game is as good as Scholes.
youtube clips to win an argunment ? very poor ... at best it cancels the gif on the first page
Sorry for not replying in depth Vijay... you're a nice bloke but your arguments in this case are literally too retarded to bother engaging with... no more useful than El-Hadji Diouf... crossing roads... Arrigo Sacchi says... Iguanas....
Amol - just a recent example off the top of my head, I'd be surprised if anyone in the Prem except Berbatov and maybe Rooney could have pulled this off in a match:
Torres and Drogba are also excellent on the turn.
Decent, but doesn't really say an awful lot about his technique.
Not yet, his overall reading of the game and ability to pick out a defence splitting pass is there though obviously Scholes is a ridiculously high benchmark. What Rooney lacks is the positional discipline, and Scholes' ability to dictate play from a much deeper position. Saying that, we've never really played Rooney as a CM, we may see him there in the future.
Carragher pulled off a neat Cryuff turn the other day, but still he is a donkey.
Gerrard can show tremendous touches. But in the football field, I remember the clumsier misplaced passes from Gerrard than these type of touches. Maybe I'm biased because he's a Liverpool player, but I tend to agree to that he can play like that, but definitely positive that he hasn't consistently done that to rate beside Paul Scholes.
Gerrard can show tremendous touches. But in the football field, I remember the clumsier misplaced passes from Gerrard than these type of touches. Maybe I'm biased because he's a Liverpool player, but I tend to agree to that he can play like that, but definitely positive that he hasn't consistently done that to rate beside Paul Scholes.
Interesting. I'm not saying your wrong, but I met Le Tiss a few years at a works function and asked him if rumours linking him with Chelsea back in the mid 90s were true. He said he could have gone to Chelsea, Spurs or Blackburn.
Someone else asked him how the hell he pulled that bird from Emmerdale and Home and Away. He laughed.
Sorry for not replying in depth Vijay... you're a nice bloke but your arguments in this case are literally too retarded to bother engaging with... no more useful than El Hadji Diouf... crossing roads... Arrigo Sacchi says... iguanas....
Amol - just a recent example off the top of my head, I'd be surprised if anyone in the Prem except Berbatov and maybe Rooney could have pulled this off in a match:
I like your summary of Vijay's argument.
See this is a typical exaggeration we do when a big player does something nice. Arshavin could do that, Torres could do that and many other players too. It's like looking at Rodallega's goal in Wigans opening goal and claiming he has great technique. Tuncay from Boro comes up with a couple of brilliant moments every season.
He also gave an interview to Small Talk in Guardian, saying from the serious offers from Spurs and Chelsea, he only was tempted by Spurs and he said he wasn't interested in playing anywhere else in Europe too.
Not sure if that amounted to him admitting he never got a overseas offer. He also said that Platini wanted him to play for France.
"decent"That's not decent play 'on the turn', like a striker spinning his marker, that's taking the ball on the half-volley on the run, while spinning and changing direction completely, fantastically difficult combination of skill, ball sense and co-ordination, not to mention imagination, a bit of play you will very rarely see.
Torres and Drogba maybe, I dunno but you're talking some of the best players in the world here so the point remains.
Plech let me help you out mate!
Arrigo Sacchi on Stevie G sometime after his typical flat track bully like performance won Pool a CL
In a recent interview with the Sunday Telegraph, he stated:
“When I was director of football at Real Madrid I had to evaluate the players coming through the youth ranks. We had some who were very good footballers. They had technique, they had athleticism, they had drive, they were hungry.
"But they lacked what I call knowing-how-to-play-football. They lacked decision making. They lacked positioning. They didn't have the subtle sensitivity of football: how a player should move within the collective. And for many, I wasn't sure they were going to learn".
“You see, strength, passion, technique, athleticism, all of these are very important. But they are a means to an end, not an end in itself. They help you reach your goal, which is putting your talent at the service of the team and, by doing this, making both of you and the team greater.
"In situations like that, I just have to say, Gerrard's a great footballer, but perhaps not a great player."
Some Scouser agrees with Sacchi here
This is exactly what I have been arguing for years: Gerrard does not have, as Sacchi describes it ‘the subtle sensitivity of football’. He cannot creatively dictate the place of play, his positional indiscipline is detrimental to the team, he prefers to play at 100 mph, which affects his decision-making at times and his lack of real footballing intelligence is regularly exposed.
Arrigo Sacchi on Stevie G sometime after his typical flat track bully like performance won Pool a CL
In a recent interview with the Sunday Telegraph, he stated:
“When I was director of football at Real Madrid I had to evaluate the players coming through the youth ranks. We had some who were very good footballers. They had technique, they had athleticism, they had drive, they were hungry.
"But they lacked what I call knowing-how-to-play-football. They lacked decision making. They lacked positioning. They didn't have the subtle sensitivity of football: how a player should move within the collective. And for many, I wasn't sure they were going to learn".
“You see, strength, passion, technique, athleticism, all of these are very important. But they are a means to an end, not an end in itself. They help you reach your goal, which is putting your talent at the service of the team and, by doing this, making both of you and the team greater.
"In situations like that, I just have to say, Gerrard's a great footballer, but perhaps not a great player."
Some Scouser agrees with Sacchi here
This is exactly what I have been arguing for years: Gerrard does not have, as Sacchi describes it ‘the subtle sensitivity of football’. He cannot creatively dictate the place of play, his positional indiscipline is detrimental to the team, he prefers to play at 100 mph, which affects his decision-making at times and his lack of real footballing intelligence is regularly exposed.
Drogba is a bit like Gerrard in this respect. Absolute beast physically, fairly skillful and a great shot on him. Hardly technically super gifted or anything like that.
Btw, IMO Drogba is better than Gerrard.
Btw, IMO Drogba is better than Gerrard.
That's not decent play 'on the turn', like a striker spinning his marker, that's taking the ball on the half-volley on the run, while spinning and changing direction completely, fantastically difficult combination of skill, ball sense and co-ordination, not to mention imagination, a bit of play you will very rarely see.
Torres and Drogba maybe, I dunno but you're talking some of the best players in the world here so the point remains.
It's a youtube clip man, a clip. Using youtube to show a players quality is a standard gag at this point, it's as relevant as the gif of the airshot on the first page.