Certain people yes. Certain being the usual suspect(s).
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Certain people yes. Certain being the usual suspect(s).
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Good shout. Won't dispute it, I'm just not as sure personally that di Maria would've been a natural starter for anyone. Maybe not even at Real Madrid if they'd still signed James while keeping di Maria. Another I'd put in my "level below" with van Persie.
Pogbear may turn out to be a massive flop yet, but for right now I can't think of 2 CM's in the World who would start ahead of him
Fed up with it all now. Either sign or feck off.
Indeed Di Maria was irresistible when he first played for us.
He was then Vangalised and got sold off.
Though since 2008, we have had many players who people would classify as Galactico class. DDG. Rooney (yes, he may be crap now, but he was fantastic a few years back), Ferdinand, Evra, Had any of these players been sold/bought in their prime, they'd have commanded a huge transfer fee.
He was the only player, playing in the EPL, who was in the FIFA World XI.
MOTM, in the CL Final a few months before we bought him. Arguably, Madrid's best player the previous season.
I'm not quite sure you understand just how good he was/is.
If only Di Maria had hung around for another season. This coming season, with Di Marai, Pogba, Ibra, DDG - we would have arguably the best squad in the EPL.
I'm all for buying Pogba, but that's just not the case for me. Even at that point you could not list the two best players in the world without including Ronaldo, and Pogba's just not at that level. He's a notch or two below, even if I believe he'll prove to be a top five midfielder in the coming years.
Currently, age considered, I'd say that Neymar is the only player you could buy that would compare to buying Ronaldo at the time Real bought him.
Even at his best i don't think "rooney" was ever a "galactico", but i do agree we have had some great names. shame tevez was not a permanent signing because that would've been another one
We havent seen that in ages
During the darkest days of Moyes it was there more often than it wasn't.
Has there been any other news since Mourinho's "obvious" comments?
Don't worry, you'll see it after the game on Sunday when our lack of match fitness gets shown up by Leicester.We havent seen that in ages
RVP was definitely in his peak when we got him imo
He was the best player in the league.
Im sure we are trying or best to force this over the line and am more than very confident it will happen, but I don't understand what the hold up is.
Him being on holiday?
Pogba will never have the goalscoring or match winning record of a ronaldo, because that is not what pogba is designed to do, he is designed to grab games by the scruff of the neck and make our engine room more slick, powerful and able to dominate games, if he helps us do that he has done what united bought him for. Xavi, or iniesta, or pirlo all in their prime will never be on that messi level in what he can do scoring goals, but what they all do is also pretty damn priceless, control of the game, the passing and dictating of the game, they will never score goals but what they contribute is also just has important
One has to wonder how many times this same dialogue or a variation of it has been had in this thread over the last two or three weeks.
The circular conversation to end all circular conversations! And to think people got more annoyed by the page count banter!
If Madrid had bought Rooney in his prime he would have been one of their 'galacticos'.
I don't think he's world class at the minute but he's obviously a top player and will improve us no end and I'm sure he's a future ballon d'or winner.
I agree with @Raoul regarding Di Maria too, I was kinda answering him with my 10/10 post, I believe Ronnie was at a higher level when he left us than PP will be when he joins us.
I don't really view Ronaldo and Messi as world class - as its not really a term that does them justice. They are more in the Pantheon of all time greats who deserve their own category. That is how they will be remembered in 20-30 years from now - not as just world class during their era.
Any other players you've seen play in your lifetime you'd include in that elite category?
Probably in a thread dedicated to that topic alone.
No not really.
People seem to be forgetting was transpired in the past and think what they're seeing now is the absolute best when that isn't really true. This is simply a case of recency bias.
Heck years from now the next superstars will likely be treated and seen as the peek of football and such.
I suppose it depends on where you stop the gauge, I think world class is viewed as the pinnacle so those two are at the top and there's various levels below them, a bit like Spinal Tap having 11 on their Marshall stacks
Its actually the other way around. People tend to inflate the quality of players they saw when they were young because they seemed larger than life, as opposed to players who they see as adults who despite being transformational, once in a lifetime players also seem oddly mortal. Its a perceptual illusion that obscures how fans look at current stars vs the stars they grew up with.
Man down!
Well, I'll argue De Gea is in that category for certain.
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I don't see it that way.
I mean just as an example your post would do. You think Messi and Ronaldo have attained some unseen level yet that's not really true. It's worth remembering that the likes of Ronaldo(Brazilian), Zidane and such did exist and played football.
Ronaldo was banging 47-50 goals a season at Barca while being injury prone, something that is earning Messi and Ronaldo some hyperbolic like titles from people. Zidane showed such high level of technical football that is very rare to see around.
What is happening right now is that Messi and Ronaldo happen to be better than the current crop right now which lead them to sharing the awards thus inflating their individual awards compared to the likes of Ronaldo(Brazilian) and co.
Would agree with that.
The freakish thing about the current two is the consistency though - nobody has done it so long, so constantly. Though modern sports science helps.
Yes I know all that. I've been watching football since the late 70s. Its just a basic facet of how our minds work. A bit like fondly remembering the amazing places you lived as a kid, then revisiting them as an adult only to be taken aback by how small everything is. You build something up in your mind over the years and its tends to take a privileged place in your brain. Football is not exempt from this process.
Saddens me so much that we were robbed of something truly beyond belief. Injuries and a complete lack of professionalism kept him from being the best ever and yet he still won three WPOTY and two Balon d'Or. Before his first knee injury (WC '98 final fiasco notwithstanding) he was the closest thing to unstoppable I've ever seen.
Same thing happens with basically everything. Nostalgia
Precisely.
Yeah I'd agree with that. They have jumped past the world class mark to the legend mark. Football legend that doesn't rest on a club.
Even Young Money is joining in on the muppetry
Anyone else think Mourinho & Pogba's team will be pushing him to become a goalscoring midfielder like Lampard? I'm certain that's a key reason he's so desperate to join United.
He said this a couple of months ago back in April
He would be a global superstar that transcends sports like Ronaldo, Neymar, LeBron, Kobe, Messi, Jordan etc if he can score 20 goals every season like Lampard did with his God given talent, flair & Rockstar lifestyle.
Can see Mourinho building his team around him & giving him the freedom to get forward like he did with Lampard.
He said this a couple of months ago back in April
He would be a global superstar that transcends sports like Ronaldo, Neymar, LeBron, Kobe, Messi, Jordan etc if he can score 20 goals every season like Lampard did with his God given talent, flair & Rockstar lifestyle.
Can see Mourinho building his team around him & giving him the freedom to get forward like he did with Lampard.
One has to wonder how many times this same dialogue or a variation of it has been had in this thread over the last two or three weeks.
The circular conversation to end all circular conversations! And to think people got more annoyed by the page count banter!
They're both really tedious but at least the holiday question is vaguely related to the topic. The "banter"/spam you're describing was just honestly a drag to read for most people, in truth.