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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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People calling him overrated because of the price being touted around for him. Forget the price. Watch him as a player.

If the papers said he was 20M, everyone be saying we must buy, just like Kante.

If Kante was 80M, I'm pretty sure people would call him overrated.

Just remember Pogba doesn't come up with these prices. Plus, I don't think he'd go for that much anyway. More like 60M.
 
He's not a midfielder who dictates the tempo of a game or runs a game. He's not a luxury plauer either.. he's capable of having game changing impacts. Very difficult player to fit into a side unless the other two midfielders are solid in their own right. Modric and Mascherano would bring out the best of a Paul Pogba in a three man midfield.

For me Pep style midfielders are the best midfielders because they control possession and for me Pogba lacks that constant movement off the ball and the intelligence to run a game for 90 minutes. He's a more flair midfielder who operates between 10/8.. kind of like a Lampard in his prime who didn't know how to play at centre mid but in a free role was dangerous.

Pogba is potentially a top top player but he has to have a team built around him or he could end up being a poor signing. A young Yaya Toure is a great comparison... he suffers similar flaws but I think Pogba is less of a liability potentially. He has a better mentality.
 
Stringer said:
:lol: At the reactions in this thread. He's a very good player but he's played a half hour against fecking Romania and France are still drawing 0-0. Hardly a masterclass for the ages.
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To be fair most people haven't watch him play this season and when he's on an international stage and making it look easy while looking like he's not out of first gear that's usually a sign of class.
 
Trizy said:
To be fair most people haven't watch him play this season and when he's on an international stage and making it look easy while looking like he's not out of first gear that's usually a sign of class.
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That didn't happen though. In actual fact he ended up being subbed and the player who moved into his position won the game for France.
 
ReDDHDevilS said:
Not interested to put in a shift, not even trying to make a tackle, not even an ounce of effort to harry the opposition, just strolling around the pitch doing some fancy flicks here and there and some odd moments of brilliance - that's just sums up Pogba.

People who watch him regularly other than some Youtube compilation know this is the level of performance to expect from him.

It's OK to spend 100m when you've a complete team like Bayern but for us who needs improvement all over the pitch that's just a luxury buy at this moment. When we have a team as balanced as Bayern then we can afford such luxury.

It's not a knee-jerk reaction after today's lackluster performance, I posted the exact same comment a few days back.
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Good post mate. As talented as he blatantly is, we need a different character at the moment. If Zlatan comes he will bring that level of arrogance, but he has been there and done it for almost 2 decades. You get the feeling Pogba eats up every little bit of hype surrounding him yet he's at the age where he should still be striving to progress as much as possible. His laziness tonight was pretty damning and i'm not gunna lie it was pretty funny to see his face when he was subbed.
 
Obviously its one game, but if he goes on to have another poor tournament does it not worry people that the Italian league is simply not up to scratch?
 
Turnbl said:
It's interesting the polarising opinions he creates. Probably because he doesn't play like he looks like he should. He should be a box to box battering ram, yet he's a highly skilled languid ball player. He's better than when he left us yet exactly the same sort of player.

He's almost a second 10 on the field for his teams. Not the true playmaker, yet his size allows coaches to include him and benefit from the individual moments where he can affect games.

Also if the interest is real, I don't see how his lack of pressing and Rooney's diminishing physicality sit together in the same midfield. It has to be one or the other and for that reason alone, I don't see it happening.
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This is spot on, and part of the reason I feel some people in this thread haven't actually watched Pogba before.

At Juventus, Pogba plays as the most advanced midfield in a three man midfield, with the legs of Khedira and Marchisio around him. The Iniesta role, if you like, which I feel suits Pogba more.

This is the role I feel Mourinho will want Rooney to play in, therefore, as you mentioned, it would be very hard to see us going with Rooney and Pogba as the two 8's, as neither of these are known for their aggressive pressing in midfield.

What we need is a box to box midfielder, in the mould of Matuidi, Khedira, Naingolan, Vidal, etc, which would allow the likes of Rooney/Pogba to get forward and score/create, knowing they have cover.

It would be a similar three to Mourinho's first stint at Chelsea, where we saw:

Makalele (holding)
Essien (box to box) Lampard (advanced midfielder)
 
What's the old saying...Never judge a player by an international tournament. That's both positively and negatively.
 
Lampard got virtually 20 goals & 20 assists every season during his prime. He's nowhere near the scoring & playmaking machine Lampard was as of now





Pogba is in a weird stage of his career right now. He's the best ball carrier in the World but the rest of his game is subpar. He has the natural talent to develop into a Lampard killer type of midfielder or an "interior" like Iniesta, he's currently stuck in between. I can see why he's worth £80m+ if he ever develops into either of those players with his technical/physical gifts he'd easily be the World's best player.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
This is spot on, and part of the reason I feel some people in this thread haven't actually watched Pogba before.

At Juventus, Pogba plays as the most advanced midfield in a three man midfield, with the legs of Khedira and Marchisio around him. The Iniesta role, if you like, which I feel suits Pogba more.

This is the role I feel Mourinho will want Rooney to play in, therefore, as you mentioned, it would be very hard to see us going with Rooney and Pogba as the two 8's, as neither of these are known for their aggressive pressing in midfield.

What we need is a box to box midfielder, in the mould of Matuidi, Khedira, Naingolan, Vidal, etc, which would allow the likes of Rooney/Pogba to get forward and score/create, knowing they have cover.

It would be a similar three to Mourinho's first stint at Chelsea, where we saw:

Makalele (holding)
Essien (box to box) Lampard (advanced midfielder)
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I feel that Schneiderlin will be that player if we play that system, but with Carrick and Schweinsteiger in the squad, I think Mourinho may have to change tact a little.
 
ReDDHDevilS said:
Not interested to put in a shift, not even trying to make a tackle, not even an ounce of effort to harry the opposition, just strolling around the pitch doing some fancy flicks here and there and some odd moments of brilliance - that's just sums up Pogba.

People who watch him regularly other than some Youtube compilation know this is the level of performance to expect from him.

It's OK to spend 100m when you've a complete team like Bayern but for us who needs improvement all over the pitch that's just a luxury buy at this moment. When we have a team as balanced as Bayern then we can afford such luxury.

It's not a knee-jerk reaction after today's lackluster performance, I posted the exact same comment a few days back.
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You just described every game I've sat down to watch him. Maybe I just have bad luck picking the games. I don't know.
 
If you check where other of the worlds highest rated cms, in recent times, were at the age of 23 I think that it's fair to say that he's ahead of schedule.

People expect too much of him already. He had a pretty poor game today but some of his long range passes were absolutely beautiful, and he hit them with both feet aswell.

If there's a chance for us to get him back I'd hope we do everything we reasonably can to sign him.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
If you check where other of the worlds highest rated cms, in recent times, were at the age of 23 I think that it's fair to say that he's ahead of schedule.

People expect too much of him already. He had a pretty poor game today but some of his long range passes were absolutely beautiful, and he hit them with both feet aswell.

If there's a chance for us to get him back I'd hope we do everything we reasonably can to sign him.
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Someone mentioned Fabregas at the same age earlier in the thread, I think Fabregas looked twice the player, personally.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
I feel that Schneiderlin will be that player if we play that system, but with Carrick and Schweinsteiger in the squad, I think Mourinho may have to change tact a little.
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Possibly, and I hope so, because that's when he's at his best, in my opinion.

Maybe this is the reason we've been linked to Matic. Although it may be unrealistic, a holding midfielder to rotate with Carrick, whilst having Schneiderlin as our box to box midfielder, would be ideal, in my opinion, and would give us plenty of energy in our midfield.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Someone mentioned Fabregas at the same age earlier in the thread, I think Fabregas looked twice the player, personally.
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Without doubt but he got lazy and went to Barca and now he can't get about the park. Modric is a million miles better than both.
 
Despite the early flash or two did absoloutely nothing tonight. Payet exactly the oppositte. Great second half and what a goal.

On this showing, i'd have our tony any day over him.... But to be fair. Its just one game the event could of got to him a wee bit.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Well said, but it won't stop the love-fest with him though. Not for United fans and not for Perez either.
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No unfortunately it won't. I don't think Perez wants him that much though, it looks like Zizou who is pushing for it. But at the same time I don't think Perez would mind because he's marketable which is what Perez cares about.

adamwest said:
Good post mate. As talented as he blatantly is, we need a different character at the moment. If Zlatan comes he will bring that level of arrogance, but he has been there and done it for almost 2 decades. You get the feeling Pogba eats up every little bit of hype surrounding him yet he's at the age where he should still be striving to progress as much as possible. His laziness tonight was pretty damning and i'm not gunna lie it was pretty funny to see his face when he was subbed.
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There is no denying that he obviously has talents. But does he have the desire? I don't think so. Pick a random game, look at his application throughout the game and if the name wasn't Pogba, most wouldn't even notice him on the pitch.

People keep saying that under right manager, he'll become a top player. Let's for the sake of argument, it's true. But please tell me;

- Does your manager have to tell you that hey buddy you're a midfielder so the least I expect from you are some tackles?
- Does your manager have to remind you throughout the game that hey buddy you're a midfielder so when we're out of possession please harry the other team's players?
- Does your manager have to tell you that hey buddy you're a midfielder so please don't just stroll around the pitch for the majority of the game while waiting for that wow moment?

These are some basic things one would expect from a midfielder or any player for that matter. You don't need a top top manager to teach you such very very basic aspects of the game because there is nothing to be taught there.

BennyBlanco said:
You just described every game I've sat down to watch him. Maybe I just have bad luck picking the games. I don't know.
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May be we both have had such bad luck so far? :) Or perhaps our eyes are betraying us? :confused: Because the King can do no wrong!
 
I want Pogba, but Kante looked like the more valuable player on the pitch tonight.

Would Kante be considered a box to box mid? Are people saying Sneiderlin can do what Kante does just as well?


Pogba isn't worth more thatn 70 million. Not now, and not in 3 years.
 
Fer said:
So, potentially Kante, Pjanic and Mkhitaryan would cost the same that Juventus will ask for Pogba.
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Yeah, you can chuck in greizman as well who has a 60m euro clause so thats like 45/50m pounds as well.
 
Whenever we go out and sign someone 'world class' it doesn't work out; Veron, Poborsky (okay not world class but he came with a big fanfare because of that goal), Di Maria first come to mind. I would love Pogba back but can't really see it happening. Not this season. Not whilst United are out of the Champions League. It would be a step down for him at this moment in his career, that's the bitter truth. Sure he could help build a new Untied, but why would he when he can prance around the Bernabeu with all the other celebs?

The club should be cautious going for any 'celebrity' signing; we're only going to get fleeced from the transfer, to the wages, to the performances. Most of our great recent signings were relatively under the radar: Ronaldo, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Park, Van Nistelrooy. And before that it was the likes of Cantona, Keane and Paul Ince who I wouldn't say were celebrity signings. As easy it is to get carried away with dreams of stellar line-ups, it would be prudent to remember the past. Neymar, James, Bale; all spectacularly out of reach. Pogba maybe a little less so but most likely a waste of time and effort. Seriously, if he had any desire to return to Manchester he would have said something by now, and all parties would be working to see that happen.
 
Raoul said:
Its about supply and demand isn't it. The perception that Pogba is the best young midfielder in the world during the era of sugardaddy club ownership is just begging for a ridiculously high valuation. Personally, i'd love if we bought him and I'd also love it if we used the same amount to buy two top quality alternatives.
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With the situation the club currently finds itself in, surely the second option is by far the most rational one? Pogba would be amazing as the stardust on top of an already solid midfield. I don't think he'd be as good or valuable as the foundation.

And that's before considering that he'd be likely to move clubs before his first contract ends. We really need to be careful what we do here.
 
Summit said:
I reckon we could buy Payet and Kante for that price though. I know which deal I'd prefer. 1 player, or two players?
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If the club buys a 29 year old bloke for big money then there will be voices who label that 'short-term' thinking and lacking comprehension for longevity.
Exactly the thing Mourinho has been accused of in the past.
At the end of the day it all comes down to what Jose Mourinho wants to have around the house, imo.
We all remember the talk of the 'tour Eiffel'. Maybe Pogba fits better in his philosophy.

Pogba is 23 years of age, at that age both of Messi and Ronaldo had already pocketed a
Champions-League- and a Ballon d'Or medal.
Pogba can't keep up with these two legends of the game, but he really has a lot to offer, imo.

Against Romania Pogba helped out in defence, moved the ball forward, was able to beat opponents
in midfield and created space for an opening pass with dribblings but more importantly,
his deliveries of long balls are quite impressive, imo.

In football you have to take all things into consideration:
age, talent, consistency, position(s) and character.
I think it's fair to believe that due to his age his peak is yet to come.
I don't question his talent: the way he controls a football because of his awesome technique
and his mind for knowing what to do when he arrives in one or another position is up there with the very best in the business, imo.
The boy is just getting better every season, already a serial winner in Italy,
Juve experienced a bad start but they recovered and he was one of the main reasons, imo.
So the consistency is there to see, he's definitely cutting it at that level.
As the only number 6 he's questionable, but apart from that he can play everywhere in midfield,
even on the wing, as i've said before, pinpoint crosses.
Yesterday i read an interview in L'équipe and in my view he came across very mature.
One of his aims is to lift the Ballon d'Or one day and he challenges himself all the time.
He knows that people expect more goals from him, but he's a 'milieu de terrain' (midfielder),
so things have to be kept in perspective, i agree with him.

Pogba brings back the 'flair' to this club and i mean that in a good way.
That assist for Giroud against Cameroon is one of the best i've recently seen.
These kind of players have always been far more expensive than the possible 'second coming' of Claude Makelele (Kanté), imo.
If Pogba comes back to this club, he will instantly become one of the faces of this club.
On the pitch as well as off the pitch.
That has to be worth more money, Ed should get a patent for that 'Pokéball'. :D

In recent years the club settled for a lot of 'ordinary' players, according to Perez the most expensive players almost always end up as the best, the bloke doesn't know when to stop, yes,
but what could possibly go wrong with a gem like Paul Pogba?!
Especially when the star coach desperately wants him, he brings goals to the table,
gets the crowd, us, jumping off the seats and is our lost son.

Just food for thougt!
 
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PitchFork said:
nd before that it was the likes of Cantona, Keane and Paul Ince who I wouldn't say were celebrity signings.
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Cantona was very much a celebrity signing, look at the reactions of our (and opposite's) fans, he was the star player of the current English champions.
 
PitchFork said:
Whenever we go out and sign someone 'world class' it doesn't work out; Veron, Poborsky (okay not world class but he came with a big fanfare because of that goal), Di Maria first come to mind. I would love Pogba back but can't really see it happening. Not this season. Not whilst United are out of the Champions League. It would be a step down for him at this moment in his career, that's the bitter truth. Sure he could help build a new Untied, but why would he when he can prance around the Bernabeu with all the other celebs?

The club should be cautious going for any 'celebrity' signing; we're only going to get fleeced from the transfer, to the wages, to the performances. Most of our great recent signings were relatively under the radar: Ronaldo, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Park, Van Nistelrooy. And before that it was the likes of Cantona, Keane and Paul Ince who I wouldn't say were celebrity signings. As easy it is to get carried away with dreams of stellar line-ups, it would be prudent to remember the past. Neymar, James, Bale; all spectacularly out of reach. Pogba maybe a little less so but most likely a waste of time and effort. Seriously, if he had any desire to return to Manchester he would have said something by now, and all parties would be working to see that happen.
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It was pretty ridiculous
 
A few days ago, someone compared him to Gerrard. That comparison is very apt.
He's not a Modric, Koke that can influence a game for 90mins. He just has moments within games where he can decide a game. If you're looking for someone to dominate the midfield, he's not your man.
He's a highlights player.
 
Mourinhonista said:
If the club buys a 29 year old bloke for big money then there will be voices who label that 'short-term' thinking and lacking comprehension for longevity.
Exactly the thing Mourinho has been accused of in the past.
At the end of the day it all comes down to what Jose Mourinho wants to have around the house, imo.
We all remember the talk of the 'tour Eiffel'. Maybe Pogba fits better in his philosophy.

Pogba is 23 years of age, at that age both of Messi and Ronaldo had already pocketed a
Champions-League- and a Ballon d'Or medal.
Pogba can't keep up with these two legends of the game, but he really has a lot to offer, imo.

Against Romania Pogba helped out in defence, moved the ball forward, was able to beat opponents
in midfield and created space for an opening pass with dribblings but more importantly,
his deliveries of long balls are quite impressive, imo.

In football you have to take all things into consideration:
age, talent, consistency, position(s) and character.
I think it's fair to believe that due to his age his peak is yet to come.
I don't question his talent: the way he controls a football because of his awesome technique
and his mind for knowing what to do when he arrives in one or another position is up there with the very best in the business, imo.
The boy is just getting better every season, already a serial winner in Italy,
Juve experienced a bad start but they recovered and he was one of the main reasons, imo.
So the consistency is there to see, he's definitely cutting it at that level.
As the only number 6 he's questionable, but apart from that he can play everywhere in midfield,
even on the wing, as i've said before, pinpoint crosses.
Yesterday i read an interview in L'équipe and in my view he came across very mature.
One of his aims is to lift the Ballon d'Or one day and he challenges himself all the time.
He knows that people expect more goals from him, but he's a 'milieu de terrain' (midfielder),
so things have to be kept in perspective, i agree with him.

Pogba brings back the 'flair' to this club and i mean that in a good way.
That assist for Giroud against Cameroon is one of the best i've recently seen.
These kind of players have always been far more expensive than the possible 'second coming' of Claude Makelele (Kanté), imo.
If Pogba comes back to this club, he will instantly become one of the faces of this club.
On the pitch as well as off the pitch.
That has to be worth more money, Ed should get a patent for that 'Pokéball'. :D

In recent years the club settled for a lot of 'ordinary' players, according to Perez the most expensive players almost always end up as the best, the bloke doesn't know when to stop, yes,
but what could possibly go wrong with a gem like Paul Pogba?!
Especially when the star coach desperately wants him, he brings goals to the table,
gets the crowd, us, jumping off the seats and is our lost son.

Just food for thougt!
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I read this like a poem
 
Raees said:
He's not a midfielder who dictates the tempo of a game or runs a game. He's not a luxury plauer either.. he's capable of having game changing impacts. Very difficult player to fit into a side unless the other two midfielders are solid in their own right. Modric and Mascherano would bring out the best of a Paul Pogba in a three man midfield.

For me Pep style midfielders are the best midfielders because they control possession and for me Pogba lacks that constant movement off the ball and the intelligence to run a game for 90 minutes. He's a more flair midfielder who operates between 10/8.. kind of like a Lampard in his prime who didn't know how to play at centre mid but in a free role was dangerous.

Pogba is potentially a top top player but he has to have a team built around him or he could end up being a poor signing. A young Yaya Toure is a great comparison... he suffers similar flaws but I think Pogba is less of a liability potentially. He has a better mentality.
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This is a brilliant post. He's not a control type midfielder. He has moments when he can decide games and when those moments aren't there, it can look like he's very ordinary.
The thing in our case is, you can argue we need someone who dominates the midfield not someone who plays in phases.
 
Interesting comparison. I'm by no means Gerrards biggest fan, in fact he would rank in my top 3 most detested players of all time. I just don't quite see that goal threat in Pogba that Stevie Me had in his pomp. Perhaps it's my ignorance of Italian football, I can see his quality driving forward but for me his shooting technique isn't as evident.
 
I don't get the comparisons to Gerrard at all. Gerrard was all-action, furious paced every-man type of midfielder as a youngster. His problem was trying to do too much and taking over all elements of a game rather than delegate. Pogba is not that way inclined and does not motor up and down the pitch like a man possessed in the way a young Gerrard used to do.

Pogba is incredibly hard to categorise or liken to others because he doesn't even know what he wants to be yet himself. He doesn't know how to defend or position himself and he has massive lulls during the 90 where he can look like a complete passenger all the while still carrying an immense offensive threat due to his natural ability, which means the same ineffectual player can suddenly turn a game with a pass, dribble or shot.

People look at his height, and his build (which I don't get because he is long and dangly) and assume he's some all-action dynamo CM, which he has never been; he's like a hybrid #10 with a smattering of #8 attributes rather than the reverse - if you want to get the best out of him, you play him the furthest forward in a midfield three with little defensive responsibility and a lot of cover for his lapses in concentration and periods of absence and you play him the ball as often as possible so that he can do something with it.

People are calling him a luxury player because they see him as a CM who doesn't work hard enough, but if you give him the leeway an offensive midfielder is supposed to have (where they are judged on their attacking contribution), he is far from a luxury or a liability, but then he has to be assessed by key passes, crosses, assists and goals. Pogba is more likely to thrive in that arena than he is as a box-to-box player who is supposed to be switched on in both directions all game. Pogba has never been able to do that, and if he does develop that part of his game, it will be one hell of an achievement.
 
@Fortitude
Agree that he's currently more of a #10 than an #8, to speak van Gaalish, but he'll develop further IMV. If he'd join us I really wouldn't know where Sir Wayne would fit in (which isn't a problem).
 
Bastian said:
@Fortitude
Agree that he's currently more of a #10 than an #8, to speak van Gaalish, but he'll develop further IMV. If he'd join us I really wouldn't know where Sir Wayne would fit in (which isn't a problem).
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He's on the cusp - not quite one or the other, which is why the comparisons made to other players are so disparate. How he develops, or what he refines along the way is anyone's guess, but if I were to bet, he's going to become a full-blown #10 in the future because he's more on his way there than he is to becoming a consummate, all-action #8.

If we got him, I'm sure Mourinho would shuffle the team around to better suit him than Rooney, tbh.
 
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