it was not in any source I would say was good , but there is plenty of reports saying they are ahead of Arsenal to sign him and like you say they don't have pots of money.
Can only be good for us signing Pogba. I think !
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Can only be good for us signing Pogba. I think !
I know this might sound a bit harsh but do you guys not read what is being posted ?
This is what happened in last 2 pages
Anyways whats the latest ?
This is what happened in last 2 pages
- Yesterday night huge rumours of higuain goin to juve and 94 million being paid to napoli emerge
- People start speculating how they get the money
- People Correctly add 2+2 and say it might be cause of a big sale
- Di marzio says Juve can afford him even without selling big
- Cue people getting in the morning and posting same news again about higuain
- Then posters asking for latest not thinking why magically the thread went up 20 pages while they were sleeping
- Yesterday news being posted again
- People again thinking juve are selling someone to buy higuain
- More people come and ask whats the latest
- Again Higuain news is posted.
- Repeat again
Anyways whats the latest ?
You're forgetting about the massive increase in their wage bill.
JESUS!!! Some of you ladies and gentlemen not to calm down !! Pogba is coming or not but why are we taking out frustrations on @Acquire Me?
Listen; there is a recurring character on Family Guy. They call him Buzz Kilington. He is British. And every time people are trying to have some fun he turns up and kills the fun. A lot of posters on this thread are the embodiment of that character.
What I know about these football forums is: Rawk is deluded, Bluemoon is Bitter, Arsenal mania is unambitious and WE ARE MUPPETS!! Oohh ..and feck Juve (no idea why?)
Maybe Acquire me is the biggest Muppet? But so what? He has been right three times in a row and its Muppet season. I don’t care whether he is ITK or he gets his information from squeezing a goat’s testicles. He has been right so far. He gets the benefit of the doubt until he is wrong. Stop killing the buzz. Pogba!!!..or not.
Listen; there is a recurring character on Family Guy. They call him Buzz Kilington. He is British. And every time people are trying to have some fun he turns up and kills the fun. A lot of posters on this thread are the embodiment of that character.
What I know about these football forums is: Rawk is deluded, Bluemoon is Bitter, Arsenal mania is unambitious and WE ARE MUPPETS!! Oohh ..and feck Juve (no idea why?)
Maybe Acquire me is the biggest Muppet? But so what? He has been right three times in a row and its Muppet season. I don’t care whether he is ITK or he gets his information from squeezing a goat’s testicles. He has been right so far. He gets the benefit of the doubt until he is wrong. Stop killing the buzz. Pogba!!!..or not.
Di Marzio is wrong IMO. Yes they could potentially afford Higuain by himself, but adding the other 4/5 players they've signed/going to sign this window? no chance. They aren't that cash rich. Perhaps they could get a huge loan but they don't usually spend outside there means.
Alves / Pjanic / Benatia / Higuain / Pjaca and that could also include Gabigol and Draxler? yeah OK they can afford that without selling
Alves / Pjanic / Benatia / Higuain / Pjaca and that could also include Gabigol and Draxler? yeah OK they can afford that without selling
I am not sure if it's OK to talk about @Acquire Me on this thread. But I really have to say this:
Acquire me could be telling the truth, but that does not mean the transfer will be done for sure. He could have heard positive things from the sponsor or whatever, but the deal is not done, and well anything could go wrong. He is running a risk here, I hope he does not get banned if Pogba does not come. He deserves one chance.
The second possibility is that he could just me wumming. It is safe to believe in this possibility. I don't think Acquire Me is a WUM, but still I am taking all this ITK stuff with a pinch of salt. I remember in one window, some poster had specified a date and time when United were supposed to announce the signing of Strootman and another player, I bought into that and was terribly disappointed to know that the person was WUMming, that is how I got the "Gullible" tag. So now, I will not buy into all this ITK stuff, even though my gut says Acquire Me is not a WUM. I would suggest everyone does the same.
Regardless of what the truth is, we should chill the feck down and not harass Acquire Me. This is in my humble opinion. More like a suggestion.
If Acquire me is not a wum and does have a source, but the signing does not work out, I don't want the Caf to lose him.
Acquire me could be telling the truth, but that does not mean the transfer will be done for sure. He could have heard positive things from the sponsor or whatever, but the deal is not done, and well anything could go wrong. He is running a risk here, I hope he does not get banned if Pogba does not come. He deserves one chance.
The second possibility is that he could just me wumming. It is safe to believe in this possibility. I don't think Acquire Me is a WUM, but still I am taking all this ITK stuff with a pinch of salt. I remember in one window, some poster had specified a date and time when United were supposed to announce the signing of Strootman and another player, I bought into that and was terribly disappointed to know that the person was WUMming, that is how I got the "Gullible" tag. So now, I will not buy into all this ITK stuff, even though my gut says Acquire Me is not a WUM. I would suggest everyone does the same.
Regardless of what the truth is, we should chill the feck down and not harass Acquire Me. This is in my humble opinion. More like a suggestion.
If Acquire me is not a wum and does have a source, but the signing does not work out, I don't want the Caf to lose him.
They love a bargain, do Juve. After signing them both for a pittance, they're squeezing the very last drops from arguably the 2 best full backs of the last decade, Benatia is signing on a loan for this season with a view to making it permanent next year, (i.e, on next years finances) and their 4 best midfielders in recent memory have cost them a combined 11m euros.
Are we supposed to believe they've been saving 94m for a rainy day all these years? Or is it more likely that they've very recently come into a large sum of money?
Are we supposed to believe they've been saving 94m for a rainy day all these years? Or is it more likely that they've very recently come into a large sum of money?
It doesn't matter if they can spend huge on Higuain and co out of their own money. They still wouldn't be able to afford the wages for all of these new players without a huge cash injection (the £100m Pogba money from us!).
This transfer is looking more and more likely by the day.
Nothing on National Geographic yet.
I don't think Juventus made a 94M EUR offer. It's a less consequent offer, (I've heard 60M EUR). It's not small money, but it's not the crazy amount.
Anyway why pay 94M for a player reaching 30 very soon? This transfer market is weird.
I really don't know if Juventus can handle this transfer on its own or not, we need to check the FFP regulation.
But it could be possible indeed they are thinking of using Pogba's money.
Let's not forget however that to complete success on the pitch, they still need Pogba too and in this case, it would mean that they do have some money left.
Anyway why pay 94M for a player reaching 30 very soon? This transfer market is weird.
I really don't know if Juventus can handle this transfer on its own or not, we need to check the FFP regulation.
But it could be possible indeed they are thinking of using Pogba's money.
Let's not forget however that to complete success on the pitch, they still need Pogba too and in this case, it would mean that they do have some money left.
Well he's 28 and just scored 36 goals to break a near 70 year old scoring record in Serie A. They would most likely win the league next season anyway, but getting Higuain would pretty much guarantee it.
Not only this, but they'd still have to pay Pogba's wages, and I reckon he'd be asking for a wage rise if we're really offering like £300k a week and he chose to stay, because if he's not gonna sign a new deal I can't imagine June not accepting the offer, else they'll just lose him for less in the near future.[/QUOTE]
I'd the transfer wasn't potentially going to happen then a presser would have been released stating that. If he's using us for a new contract, which I doubt very much, then that could explain nothing happening as well.
Regardless of whether Juve can afford Higuian or not I just can't see those tight asses pay that sort of money for 1 player, there normal activity is to offer £10 and a packet of crisps, I just think it's bullshit at that price!!!
not true, loads of time transfers arnt going to happen and no one comes out with a statment saying that.
i have no idea whether this will happen or not, i currently suspect not, as the day after it came out madrid dropped out the he may stay at Juve story came out, which makes me think he only really wanted to go to madrid, but thats just my guess and no one has any real idea.
but the fact no press from either side have said its defiantly not on doesn't tell us anything either way
Ah okay... I just saw Higuain live at the Copa America final and his miss in the game really made me think that this guy has not changed the slightest when it matters but well, I must admit I do not follow him specifically.
With or without Higuain, I still think Juventus needs a good midfield and Pogba is key to that. That's why it's hard to see them spending on Higuain only... how are they going to feed him with the ball?
I am delighted if they believe Higuain and Dybala will be enough to score goals and somehow, the other players behind, including Pjanic, are going to replace Pogba. Then he's coming back!
We are not paying that money. We are offering them 3-4 players and some cash but I still don't see it happening.
It would probably be in Napoli's best interest to accept it as it would improve them as a team over all by filling in positions and adding depth.
Haha yea, but no doubt Moyes and LvG would have ruined him... he would have been playing LB under LvG
which players are you offering them?
Out of interest, what makes you think this?
The problem being and ive sat in changing rooms where players are all set to move and at the last minute or days up in the run up something changes (manager/club change their mind another player players transfer falls through etc). So you can only report whats happening in that time if it changes after youve called something then so be it. Just want to clarify i have no idea whats happening in any transfer nowadays.
Pereyra, Zaza, Rugani and one other player I can't think of.
Eh if anything LVG went out of his way to play players in their proper positions hence all the young debuts.
He played a young player rather than play somebody not familiar with the role.
We played RVP and Rooney in midfield. Janazuj, Lingard and young as wing backs. Mata on the right. And even young as a striker at one stage
Here's my take about all this.
Juventus are the most ruthless team I've ever seen. So on that regard I have absolutely no doubt about them showing Pogba the door if the price is right. However they are currently the richest club in Italy, they own their stadium and they have done very well in the past 5 years. Therefore there are not a selling club.
The Morata deal has little impact on their dealings. Morata was bought by Juventus for 20m euros. Real made it obvious that they wanted a buy out clause for 30m which I believe placed the player in a straight jacket in terms of demanding great salary. He's hardly a prolific scorer either although he will have to be replaced.
Juventus big fish in contention are Bonucci and Pogba. Some even say that the former is even more important then the other. TPogba is wanted by United who seem ready to offer 100m for him. Bonucci is wanted by City for around 43m. Arsenal wanted Rugani but they were shown the middle finger quite early.
If Juventus had to choose between selling Bonucci or Pogba then they will surely choose selling the former. Bonucci is older, 43m for a 29 year old defender is crazy and Juve being Juve had already covered their arse with young talent (Rugani) and the experienced head (Benatia).
I strongly believe that if we reach the fee that they want (which I think we did or we're pretty close at it) then Pogba will be one step away from Turin. There's two reasons to that. First of all because Juventus are ruthless. If anyone is interested in some history then they should check how Juve treated the likes of Baggio, Ravanelli and Vialli who were much bigger names then Pogba was. Secondly because Juventus know not to clash swords with Mino. The guy had already trashed them with Ibra and wouldn't mind doing it again. However here's the catch. Pogba will have to come forward and state that he wants to leave. Juventus wouldn't want to risk the fans backlash by offloading both Bonucci (a fans favourite) and Pogba in the same transfer window especially at a time when the Milanese clubs are being both by rich owners who had promised to spend ridiculous amount of money on them. They would do it just the same (hence they have made a move to a big name signing ie Higuain) but they prefer not to. It would be more acceptable for Juventus fans if Pogba is seen as a money grabber cnut who moved to a lesser club because of the ££££ then having Juve being portrayed as the ruthless club who would throw anyone under the bus for the right price. Mino on the other hand will want to milk this to the end. Hence why this 'Ah he can stay at Juventus' BS, while Pogba may genuinely want to move to Real because he wants to work with Zidane and he would want to avoid past problems (I promised not to delve into that in this thread and I will keep my promises). If Real are willing to offer as much as we do then he will move there.
Juventus are the most ruthless team I've ever seen. So on that regard I have absolutely no doubt about them showing Pogba the door if the price is right. However they are currently the richest club in Italy, they own their stadium and they have done very well in the past 5 years. Therefore there are not a selling club.
The Morata deal has little impact on their dealings. Morata was bought by Juventus for 20m euros. Real made it obvious that they wanted a buy out clause for 30m which I believe placed the player in a straight jacket in terms of demanding great salary. He's hardly a prolific scorer either although he will have to be replaced.
Juventus big fish in contention are Bonucci and Pogba. Some even say that the former is even more important then the other. TPogba is wanted by United who seem ready to offer 100m for him. Bonucci is wanted by City for around 43m. Arsenal wanted Rugani but they were shown the middle finger quite early.
If Juventus had to choose between selling Bonucci or Pogba then they will surely choose selling the former. Bonucci is older, 43m for a 29 year old defender is crazy and Juve being Juve had already covered their arse with young talent (Rugani) and the experienced head (Benatia).
I strongly believe that if we reach the fee that they want (which I think we did or we're pretty close at it) then Pogba will be one step away from Turin. There's two reasons to that. First of all because Juventus are ruthless. If anyone is interested in some history then they should check how Juve treated the likes of Baggio, Ravanelli and Vialli who were much bigger names then Pogba was. Secondly because Juventus know not to clash swords with Mino. The guy had already trashed them with Ibra and wouldn't mind doing it again. However here's the catch. Pogba will have to come forward and state that he wants to leave. Juventus wouldn't want to risk the fans backlash by offloading both Bonucci (a fans favourite) and Pogba in the same transfer window especially at a time when the Milanese clubs are being both by rich owners who had promised to spend ridiculous amount of money on them. They would do it just the same (hence they have made a move to a big name signing ie Higuain) but they prefer not to. It would be more acceptable for Juventus fans if Pogba is seen as a money grabber cnut who moved to a lesser club because of the ££££ then having Juve being portrayed as the ruthless club who would throw anyone under the bus for the right price. Mino on the other hand will want to milk this to the end. Hence why this 'Ah he can stay at Juventus' BS, while Pogba may genuinely want to move to Real because he wants to work with Zidane and he would want to avoid past problems (I promised not to delve into that in this thread and I will keep my promises). If Real are willing to offer as much as we do then he will move there.
Are you kidding?
Sorry mate did you watch last season. Van Gaal played Rooney, Mata, Young, Blind, Rojo, Valencia among others out of position regularly, we barely put out a lineup without at least 3-5 out of position every week.
No doubt thats why Mourinho went out of his way in the PC to make a point about not favouring multi-functional players.
Well yeah on second thoughts it was probably better for his development to be elsewhere. No doubt with his inclination to play risky balls to try to create he would have made it on to Van Gaals shit list with ADM, Januzaj, Nani, Herrera etc.
Although having no inside knowledge myself, this certainly seems a sensible summary from what has been reported.
I do think, however - and to reiterate an earlier point made in this thread - the manner in which this saga appears to have slowed down since Real "pulled out" of pursuing him this window is worryingly telling from a Utd perspective.
It's also probably worth bearing in mind that despite Juventus being brutal with the transfers of big named players in the past, from those that you mentioned, these largely occurred when the Italian was the biggest and richest league going. Juventus were practically guaranteed like-for-like replacements. What's more, it is far more common in Serie A for big superstars to transfer between the top clubs, at least it was when Serie A was a dominant force. With neither of these being the case now, when it comes to Pogba, I'm not sure how much we can gather from looking at Juve's history of selling their top players.
I don't think it's happening i fell into the hype but the longer it's going on the less likely it seems, would love him at the club, but it seems a little "too quiet" it wouldn't surprise me if we never even put a bid in.
Not really. The fact is you can perceive it any way you want but the reality is some people 'gravitate' to negatives and some to 'positive'. So you are a worrier or a wum - I trust the former. The fact is United have been quiet. Maybe people think 100 Million deals are simple? Maybe they think only about United and not Juventus. There are collective interests here. So it's not worryingly telling at all. What is telling is peoples inability to be patient and pull towards a pre-disposition.
Strongly disagree with bolded part. I mean do you really think juve will sell their captain, italian and fans favourite over a player they know will leave this year or next. It doesnt make sense. If they keep bonucci and give him a new contract, they will probably get another 5 years out of him, but you say if juve had to choose they would sell Bonucci. Considering juve would get 5 good years from a world class cb vs one good year of a potential world class midfielder?
I would have agreed to that regarding the Milanese teams but not Juventus. Juventus has abandoned the typical 'sugar daddy' model for a long long time, way before the Serie A golden age ended. Their owners are car lovers, their business depends on it, and they had been giving Ferrari precedence ahead of Juventus for decades.
Juventus has remained with practically the same setup (not the same people) and mentality for the past 25 years. The triade (ie a business man-the former player-the football man from outside) is still there (different people though), their mentality of buying unknown talent and developing them to stars is still the same and so is their ruthlessness in kicking players out when its worth it. Del Piero was shown the door with little fanfare in 2012. Conte who won the league as manager 3 times ended up resigning because he counted get past the new triade decision in not signing Cuadrado. That's Juventus for you
He's on holiday, once he's back the deal will be done.
So who's the 4th player Jose is "holding his breath" for and wants done by August? Also, where did Di Marzio get the bid rumours from? Where did L'Equipe get the "complete the circle by returning" rumours from.
Look, there is a high chance Juve will simply decline because Pogba won't go public. However being "quite" about things is no reason to assume we'll never bid.
Is this opposite world?
Worse things had happened in the past. In 1996, Juventus was extraordinary. Vialli and Ravanelli were absolutely brilliant. They scored the goals and gave everything for their team in a team effort which would make the likes of Roy Keane and Gary Neville proud. That same summer one ended up on a free to Chelsea (and at that time Chelsea weren't a big club) and the other ended up at frigging Middlesbrough. The reason being that one was too old and the other one too shit to really keep their place at Juventus. Vialli was 32 at the time.
If Shitty are truly offering 42m+ for Bonucci then he's on the way out.
I can't agree with them preferring to sell Bonucci over Pogba. The age is irrelevant because it's unlikely they will be able to keep Pogba for longer then the remaining years of Bonuccis playing career. So why lose two great players, when you have the option to only lose one? He may be 29 but defenders last long in Italy. Patrice is 35 and has another years contract. There is nothing to suggest Bonucci can't play on for the next 5-6 years. As good as they might think Pogba is, I don't think they would want to start selling Italian players. That's just guessing though. They may view money as money - which is correct of course
I can't agree with them preferring to sell Bonucci over Pogba. The age is irrelevant because it's unlikely they will be able to keep Pogba for longer then the remaining years of Bonuccis playing career. So why lose two great players, when you have the option to only lose one? He may be 29 but defenders last long in Italy. Patrice is 35 and has another years contract. There is nothing to suggest Bonucci can't play on for the next 5-6 years. As good as they might think Pogba is, I don't think they would want to start selling Italian players. That's just guessing though. They may view money as money - which is correct of course
If anyone comes offering 42m for Patrice Evra then they would personally escort him to that club. Its not the age that is an issue (as long as a player is good then he will be kept). Its the fee. 42m for Bonucci represent great value for money especially since they already have their present replacement (Benatia) and his future replacement (Rugani) in the bag. This is a club who pushed the best player in the world and the most popular Italian player of the past 20 years out (Roberto Baggio), to their main rivals, because they had a kid whom they thought would do better.
Stop thinking like a Man United fan. They are not us.