I agree that it won't be difficult to replace Pogba unless the Glazers penny pinch again, but replace him with Kalvin Phillips are you serious?!
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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You either love it or you hate it, I'm stand with you in this whole Pogba contract situation. Sign or decline, just be done with it.
Strange how people seem to seem Pogba has only existed at Man Utd for the last 6-8 months.
Hes been incredibly inconsistent for us.
For those arguing that I’m replacing Pogba with Phillips, yes I am. Ole and most of the Cafe prefer him on the left wing to central midfield, so yes replacing a makeshift winger with a proper midfielder is exactly what I’m doing.
Against the top 6 Pogba doesn’t make my 11, there can’t be many of you who disagree surely?
——————-Ronaldo——————
Rashford——Bruno——Sancho
———Mctominay-Fred—————
some of you will of course ignore his midfield weaknesses and prefer him in midfield because of his great performances from the left.
I prefer him on the left and think he’s quite good there but Rashford is better from that position.
Hes been incredibly inconsistent for us.
For those arguing that I’m replacing Pogba with Phillips, yes I am. Ole and most of the Cafe prefer him on the left wing to central midfield, so yes replacing a makeshift winger with a proper midfielder is exactly what I’m doing.
Against the top 6 Pogba doesn’t make my 11, there can’t be many of you who disagree surely?
——————-Ronaldo——————
Rashford——Bruno——Sancho
———Mctominay-Fred—————
some of you will of course ignore his midfield weaknesses and prefer him in midfield because of his great performances from the left.
I prefer him on the left and think he’s quite good there but Rashford is better from that position.
A makeshift winger.
I think I've officially heard it all now.
I think I've officially heard it all now.
Are you sure it wasn't that he scored 11 of 14? The website I referenced for the stats listed total penalties scored as 11, not total penalties taken.
Philips is shite though. I can think of 20 players off the top of my head I'd rather take than Phillips.
The mods need to crack down on the rubbish posted in this thread. They must have given up on the Ronaldo v Messi one, because that one is a shit show if I ever saw one.
Fabrizio Romano’s detailed take on the subject.
Basically says an offer has been on the table for a while, things are positive but nothing is signed yet.
Basically says an offer has been on the table for a while, things are positive but nothing is signed yet.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/pau...r/122153/plus/0?saison_id=2018&wettbewerb_id= -- Transfermarkt is normally very high tier for this stuff
Inconsistent or not, Pogba is an incredible talent and has played well relatively consistently since late last season. He's obviously started this season well playing in a couple different spots on the field over the first few games. I think if we are to match or better the summer window just gone in 2022 it'll have to include keeping Pogba. Bring in Haaland and a quality holding midfielder like Rice on top of that and suddenly if Ole isn't providing a genuine title contender on the pitch then his job would legitimately be at risk. Fingers crossed this happens and Ole does have us right at the top, because up until now he's been hamstrung by not getting one or two extra transfers each time.
Yeah that's what I used. 16 goals in all competitions. 11 of which from the penalty spot. So 5 from open play.
Even after what I've said in this thread, it's currently a very very good time to be a manchester united player. Paul has been through highs (somewhat) and lows at this club and knows what it's all about. He's spent alot of his years in this part of the world and does have a connection with it that other players don't.
Saturday afternoon just gone at Old Trafford for instance - it was the place to be in all of Europe as a spectator or even player I would argue. Just where else is he going to go that offers that sort of atmosphere and excitement?
I think this reflects Pogba's true understanding of himself. He realises that he is not a leader on the field and requires others to fill that void. He's just a guy who wants to play ball and have fun. Ronaldo will take all that presure off him.
I think Pogba realises we actually might be in the brink of some stability and then success. He looks like he’s really enjoying his football and teammates.
Would be silly of him to risk leaving a team with serial winners like Ronaldo and Varane to go play for either of the two Spanish giants with how their finances look.
PSG are still a great option for him but who would seriously choose Messi and Paris over Cristiano and Manchester?!
Would be silly of him to risk leaving a team with serial winners like Ronaldo and Varane to go play for either of the two Spanish giants with how their finances look.
PSG are still a great option for him but who would seriously choose Messi and Paris over Cristiano and Manchester?!
Pogba is the best progressive passer from midfield in the league, easily the best we have had since Carrick (at least) and you want to replace him with a bog-standard pl midfielder - basically a worse version of Fred. Yeah, that's mental and it seriously weakens our team and its ability to get the ball to our attackers. Even if Pogba has not been outstanding every game over 6 years (which is what people seem to mean when they call Pogba unconsistent), replacing him with Kalvin Phillips is basically footballing hari-kiri.
Pogba is the only player we have who can actually retain possession in midfield (and who isn't Matic). Wanting to replace him with yet another moderately talented, high energy no8 who would never start for us anyway - you can't seriously think that.
these people are nuts. I'm constantly thinking "what. the. feck" when reading these posts
Yes I posted my opinion on a football forum. "It's just your opinion" is a terrible argument. Even sillier when it's combined with "You think you know better than Ole/the club"? The club deemed it acceptable to give Phil Jones his contract.
Ole found it perfectly acceptable that Shaw was in the penalty box in Istanbul and their striker was left unmarked on set pieces, or he'd have gotten up and yelled at players in the empty stadium. They're not infallible.
It's reported Pogba's earning ~290k/w and he turned down ~350k/w (De Gea's salary).
It is my opinion that he hasn't proven to be worth much more than that.
He'd absolutely be worth whatever he is asking to PSG, because they play against a low block every league game. Ditto Real Madrid, because they don't have Brilliantes and can actually play him in his best LCM role with 2 defensively sound midfielders in a league where there's less pressing.
To us he's a luxury player, because he has not shown he has enough output in that free LW role (2 goals 6 assists last season from there), he's poor at tracking back (which is how Leeds scored their goal this season), and he's incapable of playing in a midfield 2 behind Bruno against strong teams.
I love the cognitive dissonance required to remain steadfast in loathing Pogba whilst acting like everything good he does doesn’t exist whilst the moment he's perceived to have had a bad game, piping up with an "I told you so!" The mental gymnastics on display have you wondering if it's all an elaborate WUM.
A player who, as an equivalent, will cost the club 9 figures plus the exact wages Pogba wants, is an easy loss to assimilate, or better yet, replace with someone with a quarter of the talent.
I wonder if forums of other clubs are as bonkers as ours. Reckon you've got Madridistas stating they'd be fine replacing Benzema with Calvert-Lewin? Or Goretzka with Kalvin Phillips? What about Pedri with Ward-Prowse?
A player who, as an equivalent, will cost the club 9 figures plus the exact wages Pogba wants, is an easy loss to assimilate, or better yet, replace with someone with a quarter of the talent.
I wonder if forums of other clubs are as bonkers as ours. Reckon you've got Madridistas stating they'd be fine replacing Benzema with Calvert-Lewin? Or Goretzka with Kalvin Phillips? What about Pedri with Ward-Prowse?
The Pogdox.
He's a fantastic player...I desperately want to see a quality no 6 in the team with him. We'd be frighteningly good.
Why isn't this news just as much BS as the news in dec when he "is finished with the club" and the "offered to Liverpool" in june?
Well for one it’s Ornstein who doesn’t usually report fake news or clickbait, but I get your point.
I know what you mean but "Zidanes and Pavones" means a completely different thing, not that Pavon is paid bread crums.
Good news-ish, but I'm doubtful because I'm still dubious about where he plays.
On the left is purely temporary, and I'm not among the delusional who thinks some magical monster of a DM will allow us to have solidity in midfield.
On the left is purely temporary, and I'm not among the delusional who thinks some magical monster of a DM will allow us to have solidity in midfield.
The journalist reporting this is reputable, unlike 99% of the sources we've seen so far. It doesn't mean Pogba's gonna stay, but at least it's worth discussing unlike some of the drivel articles posted in here in the past
If Paul does agree to sign a new contract this can only be seen as a positive.
I’m a fan of the lad and at times he can be frustrating as can all players but you either accept it or use it to beat him down as some fans do when things don’t go well on the pitch. At times the criticism is OTT but that’s because his standards are so high. Christ…Bruno, rashford & Maguire get slated at times despite being in good overall form and even scoring or assisting during a match and the CAF has members being negative for negatives sake
I also believe that if you do play him as part or a two man CM then no matter what type of player is next to him you’ll still get the occasional pattern of play from him that so many fans use to say he can’t play as part of the two man CM.
Even next to Kante for France where I personally thought he had a good game against the Swiss at the euro’s he got battered for giving away possession which led to a goal if my memory serves me right.
I think we all agree his ideal position is part of a 3 man midfield and who knows if we’ll see ole trial it this season therefore it’s either left of the front 3 which he’s good enough to make an impression against most teams but it also depends on how teams set up against us. This isn’t his natural position plus Marcus, Ronaldo, Sancho, martial and mason are all viable options.
Therefore we have to accept he’s probably going to get more game time as part of the two man CM. With ole letting the players express themselves and the fact Pogba enjoys creating and taking risks means we have to accept that on occasions he may turn over possession to the opposition but more often or not the lad will benefit the team far greater over the course of the season…hopefully
7 assists in 4 games tells its own story and if it means he occasionally gives the ball away then I can accept it from a player being brave and taking risks especially having played the game at a decent level till a few years back and seeing plenty of lads play it safe. Dan James talked about this affecting him during an interview recently. It’s not easy being a United player. Expectations are rightfully high and it takes balls to take risks knowing the likes of pundits, rival fans and so called club fans are lining up ready to pounce.
What I can’t accept is him disrespecting the club or Ole through his silence when his agent speaks and that’s my only concern with him. By all accounts Ole and his teammates seem to like him and no ones ever criticised him for being unprofessional or a difficult personality which sometimes caf posters and the media like to portray.
Apologies if I’ve waffled. I’m baked
I’m a fan of the lad and at times he can be frustrating as can all players but you either accept it or use it to beat him down as some fans do when things don’t go well on the pitch. At times the criticism is OTT but that’s because his standards are so high. Christ…Bruno, rashford & Maguire get slated at times despite being in good overall form and even scoring or assisting during a match and the CAF has members being negative for negatives sake
I also believe that if you do play him as part or a two man CM then no matter what type of player is next to him you’ll still get the occasional pattern of play from him that so many fans use to say he can’t play as part of the two man CM.
Even next to Kante for France where I personally thought he had a good game against the Swiss at the euro’s he got battered for giving away possession which led to a goal if my memory serves me right.
I think we all agree his ideal position is part of a 3 man midfield and who knows if we’ll see ole trial it this season therefore it’s either left of the front 3 which he’s good enough to make an impression against most teams but it also depends on how teams set up against us. This isn’t his natural position plus Marcus, Ronaldo, Sancho, martial and mason are all viable options.
Therefore we have to accept he’s probably going to get more game time as part of the two man CM. With ole letting the players express themselves and the fact Pogba enjoys creating and taking risks means we have to accept that on occasions he may turn over possession to the opposition but more often or not the lad will benefit the team far greater over the course of the season…hopefully
7 assists in 4 games tells its own story and if it means he occasionally gives the ball away then I can accept it from a player being brave and taking risks especially having played the game at a decent level till a few years back and seeing plenty of lads play it safe. Dan James talked about this affecting him during an interview recently. It’s not easy being a United player. Expectations are rightfully high and it takes balls to take risks knowing the likes of pundits, rival fans and so called club fans are lining up ready to pounce.
What I can’t accept is him disrespecting the club or Ole through his silence when his agent speaks and that’s my only concern with him. By all accounts Ole and his teammates seem to like him and no ones ever criticised him for being unprofessional or a difficult personality which sometimes caf posters and the media like to portray.
Apologies if I’ve waffled. I’m baked
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People who think it will be “relatively easy” to replace Pogba just need to find a new sport to watch.
I mean the guys legitimately been a top 5 midfielder in the world this year. It’s not even an argument.
I mean the guys legitimately been a top 5 midfielder in the world this year. It’s not even an argument.
We've been busy improving the team as a whole, and all of a sudden he's got 7 assists in a mere 4 league games, after hitting 6 in all of last season!
The penny has finally dropped that he's a top quality support player, rather than the player who will elevate you.
He's probably also realised that the tiny handful of teams who can increase his salary are either not interested, or won't give him the status he has here.
The penny has finally dropped that he's a top quality support player, rather than the player who will elevate you.
He's probably also realised that the tiny handful of teams who can increase his salary are either not interested, or won't give him the status he has here.
I think people will be surprised if and when he does leave that there is virtually no noticeable difference in our performances. Bookmark this post, if you must. He will be replaced rather easily.
Hopefully this is true and Ronnie being around will make him sort his head out to become more focused in-games etc.
Think of the pull next few windows aswell, Pogba will surely wanna stay around to see who else we sign. Joining Madrid, PSG or barca will be pretty abysmal to 2-3 years ago when his fat agent started stirring it.
Maybe a bit rawkish but I think we're probably the best "project" right now (that Pogba is wanted at - city don't beed him, pool wouldn't touch him, same for bayern). Who else is there to spend his peak years at? If madrid get mbappe then i can maybe see that, but they are weak in DF, ageing casemiro and modric, asensio& isco are poor. Benzema getting on, Hazard has been woeful.
Don't get me started on barca
Think of the pull next few windows aswell, Pogba will surely wanna stay around to see who else we sign. Joining Madrid, PSG or barca will be pretty abysmal to 2-3 years ago when his fat agent started stirring it.
Maybe a bit rawkish but I think we're probably the best "project" right now (that Pogba is wanted at - city don't beed him, pool wouldn't touch him, same for bayern). Who else is there to spend his peak years at? If madrid get mbappe then i can maybe see that, but they are weak in DF, ageing casemiro and modric, asensio& isco are poor. Benzema getting on, Hazard has been woeful.
Don't get me started on barca
guy was playing ball with Pereira, Dan James, Mata, Rojo, Brandon Williams. My god. Now he has Ronaldo, Bruno, Sancho, Varanethe club needs to tell him we're also signing Tchouameni, so no more Fred. He'll sign on the spot
Well we are pretty shit in a lot of our matches unfortunately, but that doesnt mean Pogba is surpless to requirements. His passing and assist making has been vital to our goal scoring so far this season.
Ole's press conference for the Young Boys game was very interesting on this point.
He mentions that it's now up to the group to show that we can win things, when asked about Pogba signing an extension.
Clearly Paul wants to win leagues and the UCL - which honestly, United didn't give him a chance to do before this.
He had 2 seasons with Jose where he didn't understand what the manager was doing to United as a club and the way we are supposed to play.
Ole came.in and he carried us for 4 months before he ran out of steam. Was injured for 75% of the next season, and then 30% of Ole's third one. Was perhaps our best player after Bruno and Shaw last season. (It's been 8-9 months of very consistent performances).
Now is his last season on his original contract. He has the best chance of winning something since he came. So if United can do that, I don't see him going anywhere for the next few seasons.
He mentions that it's now up to the group to show that we can win things, when asked about Pogba signing an extension.
Clearly Paul wants to win leagues and the UCL - which honestly, United didn't give him a chance to do before this.
He had 2 seasons with Jose where he didn't understand what the manager was doing to United as a club and the way we are supposed to play.
Ole came.in and he carried us for 4 months before he ran out of steam. Was injured for 75% of the next season, and then 30% of Ole's third one. Was perhaps our best player after Bruno and Shaw last season. (It's been 8-9 months of very consistent performances).
Now is his last season on his original contract. He has the best chance of winning something since he came. So if United can do that, I don't see him going anywhere for the next few seasons.
I actually felt the period when he was out was when we struggled the most and dropped out of the title race.
The EPL is filled with fans like that. The same who calls Phillips the Yorkshire Pirlo. FFS even the real Pirlo took it as a bit of an insult.
Agreed with this, the only possible destination away from United next summer is Real and PSG. I’d say moving to PSG and is step down as he is moving from best league to 6th league during prime of his career. Moving to Real will be similar to playing for us (assume they will sign Mbappe next summer), but I just feel we are more ready in our rebuild process than Real, as they have just lost their main CB pairs this summer, and they will have to rebuild again soon with aging/departing of few more of their key players ie Modric, Bale etc. While we are only one DM away from truly elite team.
That’s a reasonable take. Most seem to be on either extreme.
I thought the Newcastle game was as good as I have seen him play. He put in the defensive work and even though he gave the ball away few times and had people run away from him, I think that’s ok and the most we can reasonably expect from Pogba. He is never going to be a superstar defensive player but if he can put in the work, then his passing, progression and cutting edge will make up for it.