No matter how you spin it, United look better and more balanced when Pogba isn't in the team.
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It seems like he has burned bridges with most of the fanbase. A shame really, that it hasn't worked out for him here. I am always sad when a youth player of ours doesn't make it here, especially one as gifted as Paul.
I hope to watch him him on the pitch for a few times at least until he leaves, as he is such a joy to watch on form. Still has time to go elsewhere and have a glorious career.
I hope to watch him him on the pitch for a few times at least until he leaves, as he is such a joy to watch on form. Still has time to go elsewhere and have a glorious career.
I acually think, ironically, that his time in Italy was the problem. The slow pace of the Italian game, learning patient long ball controlled play while also watching the erratic style of vidal and seemingly having far more physical abilities than most italian midfielders and attackers meant that he could get away with his game without honing any consistent position of strength.
Pogba is also not a player too willing to adapt his game, he's shown that since his arrival.
Who knows?
Probably a combination of a lot of things.
His physical abilities are unquestionable in regards to size. In regards as to what is excatly is needed on the pitch, well now, that's a whole different game.
I'd rather have a Modrić or Silva then Pogba any day of the week.
There isnt actually much to discuss, he's not playing well and he's too costly to be a bench warmer.
Is there seriously a way to sell him or send him or loan somewhere in january? I didnt actually think of that, thought it would be at least until summer.
Cant imagine many teams being in for him though especially given pandemic.
Doubt any PL team will want him
Juventus might but he also might be too expensive for them as of now.
Same for Madrid.
Barcelona cant afford him now.
How about Inter or Milan? I can see something like that perhaps.
Maybe PSG.
Cant imagine many teams being in for him though especially given pandemic.
Doubt any PL team will want him
Juventus might but he also might be too expensive for them as of now.
Same for Madrid.
Barcelona cant afford him now.
How about Inter or Milan? I can see something like that perhaps.
Maybe PSG.
Yep, this is another problem with Pogba I think.
The last 18 months or so especially his fitness record is very very poor.
It's yet another reason to get rid of him.
Ger rid of him in January. I will even take Jovic in return. That's how much I don't want him in the team.
Yes, it's a fact that has nothing to do with appreciating or hating him. Paul needs to revive his career elsewhere, physically and mentally.
I reckon using him as a sub is the only way we will get the best out of him this season. As if he comes on, it will be like hes got something to prove.
Im still shocked that vs Spurs he was the only left on instead of Bruno when we went down to 10.
And against Arsenal, why he wasnt pulled off (but again, Bruno was).
It does seem he maybe better in cameos vs tiring legs?
Im still shocked that vs Spurs he was the only left on instead of Bruno when we went down to 10.
And against Arsenal, why he wasnt pulled off (but again, Bruno was).
It does seem he maybe better in cameos vs tiring legs?
Two years ago the thought of losing Pogba was a massive deal for us, he was our main creative hub and the man that made us tick. Nowadays I feel like we could sell him and it wouldn't make a difference, in fact it would probably make us stronger as we could reinvest the money into areas of the squad we are weak in. I hope he rediscovers his form though, he's a quality player.
The question is, why does he perform well for France, did a good job for Juventus but can‘t kick on with us? I think Pogba is somebody who thrives in structures with a manager that has a clear Plan as to how to use him but who also knows how to handle him as a character. Deschamps has accomplished that while neither Mourinho nor Solksjaer have, the former in both departments, the latter when it comes to the correct tactical use of him.
Am I correct in thinking that at this exact same time last year, Pogba had a 'knock / injury' aswell ? Coincidentally after being away with France and making questionable comments also? And everyone was convinced we were going to move him on in January.
All seems a bit a familiar
Id say alot of people wouldnt be surprised if this knock somehow lasted until January
All seems a bit a familiar
Id say alot of people wouldnt be surprised if this knock somehow lasted until January
And everyone was wrong
I think United as a club may have gotten tired of feeling we have to accomodate one player. He's been played in every tactic / formation possible, and not lived up to his potential.
I was full behind playing the team in a way to get the best out of this lad for a long time, but after so long of very mediocre performances you have to really look at the player, and the reasons for not performing might lie more with them, not the team and those around him.
I have seen a number of posters come on and say he was never a 90 million pound MF even at Juve.
I saw a video on youtube titled "What has happened to Pogba" or something like that and it basically showing a video of all pogbas good bits at Juve and France. But it was not good bits. It was just Pogba doing tricks most of the time, when they were winning 3 nil.
I have said it repeatedly, that he was never a 90 million pound MF. The glazers signed him really.
We would be doing well to get 50 million back for him. More like 40 million i feel.
Is it possible that the Premier League is just too fast paced for Pogba? So it's not attitude or application, it's just that his style of play is not suitable? If so, he should try to go to a slower league where his passing and shielding of the ball which are his strengths would be more effective.
Crazy that he already has 90 pages in his performance thread. Almost double the next biggest thread.
The fact is he has left the club for around 2 years and Ole still hasn't been able to achieve whatever he achieve here even after getting rid of all the players you guys considered as deadwood such as Lukaku, Sanchez, Fellaini, Smalling, Jones, Perreira, Lingard, Darmian, Blind, Young, Valencia etc and replace them with better players/squad speak volumes about how much he overachieved at United.
Wait you meant Jose, I thought you were talking about Pogba since it's the Pogba thread.
But on the point of Jose, hiring him in the first place was the wrong decision, not backing him after extending him was yet another wrong decision. Firing him wasn't because it wasn't realistic to basically sell everyone in the squad.
Can't believe how Woodward thought Jose would be a good fit for us when it's clear his style didn't fit with how the fans wants the club to be played.
Call me old fashioned, but I wouldn't expect anyone on his pay to throw their toys out of the pram and call it quits, I'd expect them to make the best of a bad situation and work with the manager/coaching staff to get the best out of his teammates until signings were made.
I don't think so. We have seen enough good games from him to know the answer is somewhere else. Yes he's been generally disappointing but there are have been games during his time in England where he looked like a great player.
I would say its a factor.
But not the only factor.
Most telling thing for me was when Pogba was interviewed once and he said playing defense just isnt what he is good at and he just said it like thats perfectly fine.
The other factor is he just isnt that good in the first place. He is not a Scholes, Gerrard or Lampard or any of those guys.
His status was elevated more than it should have been due to social media age.
So its really all things that come into play.
For one he isnt that good, he lacks certain fundamentals in his game. His attitude isnt the best. PL is too fast for him. It all plays a role.
Hearing he might miss tomorrow with injury. Is it serious ?
Another mystery injury that seems to be dragging out.
I do wonder if this injury would keep him out of France games...
I do wonder if this injury would keep him out of France games...
I realize the irony of bumping his thread to say this, but I am so glad he isn’t a major talking point anymore.
For so long, he was dominating discussion, whether he played or not, and for 4-5 years now, his performances have barely merited it.
Even if he was fit, he shouldn’t be a starter based purely on performances and it should now stay that way until he is sold.
For so long, he was dominating discussion, whether he played or not, and for 4-5 years now, his performances have barely merited it.
Even if he was fit, he shouldn’t be a starter based purely on performances and it should now stay that way until he is sold.
I'm a big fan of Pogba.
Legitimately think he was given way too much shit relative to his performances.
For me this is the first season he has been bad. Every other season for me he was quite good and two years ago he was for sure our best player despite getting the blame.
All that being said let's see if Juve will buy him in Jan because we aren't using him anyway and our team still needs a lot of improvement.
That way we can look to further strengthen the squad.
Legitimately think he was given way too much shit relative to his performances.
For me this is the first season he has been bad. Every other season for me he was quite good and two years ago he was for sure our best player despite getting the blame.
All that being said let's see if Juve will buy him in Jan because we aren't using him anyway and our team still needs a lot of improvement.
That way we can look to further strengthen the squad.
Yes. Very ironic. Considering you just made him a talking point again.
How long before we see insta pictures of him in some place hot or playing basketball "injured"
Is it just a coincidence that we've found our form with him out of the squad once again.
He posted a picture of him in training on his Instagram story. I assume he'll probably be on the bench tomorrow and in contention to start on the weekend.
It's almost it has happened before.
Please don't.
Man Utd 1:3 PSG
Looked good in his cameo tonight. McTominay & Fred starting over him is crazy when you consider the ability differences.
That would have been an incredible goal.
Nearly scored goal of the season, genuine Puskas Award material with a bit more luck... Channeling his inner Zinedine there.
Absolutely ridiculous to keep our (by far) most talented player out of the squad, Ole needs to drop this childish ego play and integrate Paul back!
Absolutely ridiculous to keep our (by far) most talented player out of the squad, Ole needs to drop this childish ego play and integrate Paul back!
agreed, but them two win the ball and pass it forward, Pogba is only world class at the Latter.
Pogba realistically has Fernandes’s position to try fight for because Ole likes ball winning CM’s and unless Bruno gets injured he is there to stay.
Personally I would find a system to fit Bruno, VDB and Pogba in, whilst also having a world class CDM to sit, but Ole can only go with what he has. Kante would of been a brilliant in that position, but thats all irrelevant hindsight.
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