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I would have liked to read the full article but fecking Telegraph and their subscription.
There was a way around that by clicking the x button but it no longer works. Not for me anyway.
I would have liked to read the full article but fecking Telegraph and their subscription.
I would have liked to read the full article but fecking Telegraph and their subscription.
There’s no context and a timeframe that suits the narrative.there are ways around that. He’s been very good against Spurs away and Liverpool in the cup since. Any other big teams? I genuinely can’t remember off the top of my head…
What’s so funny about an article that says we win more big games without Pogba than with him? If I was a big fan of his I’d be concerned about that? Is it nervous laughter or are you just going to blame everyone else?
There’s also a stat that says we lose more often when Pogba and Bruno play together than when just one of them plays. I don’t think their games suit each other. Ive turned around on Pogba and I’d be happy for him to stay but I don’t think he will. Not much funny about him leaving on a free for the second time after spending 90 million quid on him
There’s no context and a timeframe that suits the narrative.
Does this period include the start of this season? Does it include Europa quarter and semi finals?
As for the rest of what you wrote, if a manager can’t get the best out of a team that includes his best players (Bruno/Pogba) then for me the manager needs to look at why and how he does that.
Legit question. Are Roma and Milan still big teams? Since Oct 2020 he was injured till after lockdown and then injured again at the start of the season? Is that right? Big teams we beat since then? As I said I remember Spurs and Liverpool away where Pogba was running it. City was a smash and grab. I’ve really enjoyed his play out on the left. I thought it was a breath of fresh air given the form Rashford was displaying in the second half of the season. I thought it was a pity Ole took him out.
I was replying to something false you presented that Bruno has never turned up in a knockout game for us.Would you say Bruno has outperformed Pogba in the big games for united? Pogba has a better record in this respect, it not hard.
How many big games Pogba has had an impact on in those 5 years? I bet they won't exceed 5 or 6.
1. The EL league final against Ajax where he scored and dominated Ajax's talented but young midfield
2. The dramatic 2-3 comeback win away to City where he scored twice
3. Header against Chelsea in the league cup when we beat them 2-0 away
4. 2:1 league win over Arsenal MOTM 2017/18.
5. 1-3 away win against Arsenal, MOTM again with assists to Lingard and a goal of his own
6 and 7. Two MOTM performances against Liecester city, 0-1 away win in 2019 with an assist to Rashford (Rashford won the official MOTM award and Pogba won that distinction on the CAF) and 4-1 win against them as defending champions
8. 1-3 win against Spurs this last season, MOTM and assist
9. 0-1 away win against Milan in EL, goal decided the tie
But you bet that the number wouldn't be greater than 5 or 6.So that's literally 9 games in 5 whole years and one of them was against Leicester (because the 4-1 against them was in 2016 I believe? And they fought for relegation in this season by the way).
That's a pretty low number for our world class player. Not actually that far away from my 5 to 6 games predictions.
And you can't compare it to Bruno who has only been here for 1.5 year. In Pogba first 1.5 year he legit had two good big games performance according to your list.
Depends on what definition big games come under. Is Chelsea in the league Cup really a big game? Spurs imploding under Mou? Can Arsenal still be classified as a big game? So maybe 5 or 6 isn't so far off the mark which in a period of 5 years for a £90m player is absolutely atrocious.But you bet that the number wouldn't be greater than 5 or 6.
Depends on what definition big games come under. Is Chelsea in the league Cup really a big game? Spurs imploding under Mou? Can Arsenal still be classified as a big game? So maybe 5 or 6 isn't so far off the mark which in a period of 5 years for a £90m player is absolutely atrocious.
Why is it an agenda? People are struggling to find 10 games in which he was influencial in 5 years. Not Pogbas fault he was signed for a world record fee but surely it wouldn't be too much to expect a hell of a lot more? Coupled with the fact he's played the wants to leave United card 3 times that we know of it's hard to understand why people keep defending him.In Pogbas case just insert any game he didn’t play well in and delete any he did. Will suit most people’s agenda perfectly.
Just read on Livescore news that we're about to make him the highest paid player in the league, that could be disastrous and huge step away from wage policy we should be looking to implement. Can anyone tell me it's bullshit, please someone tell me it is
No they are not.Why is it an agenda? People are struggling to find 10 games in which he was influencial in 5 years. Not Pogbas fault he was signed for a world record fee but surely it wouldn't be too much to expect a hell of a lot more? Coupled with the fact he's played the wants to leave United card 3 times that we know of it's hard to understand why people keep defending him.
He plays 3 good games in a row and he's World class. He then can go 3 moths playing average football and all of a sudden it's because he doesn't have good enough players around him. The agenda seems to be with people who staunchly support him and not the other way round.
Why is it an agenda? People are struggling to find 10 games in which he was influencial in 5 years. Not Pogbas fault he was signed for a world record fee but surely it wouldn't be too much to expect a hell of a lot more? Coupled with the fact he's played the wants to leave United card 3 times that we know of it's hard to understand why people keep defending him.
He plays 3 good games in a row and he's World class. He then can go 3 moths playing average football and all of a sudden it's because he doesn't have good enough players around him. The agenda seems to be with people who staunchly support him and not the other way round.
Pogba is the most skilled player in the league. The reported salary makes sense. He is suffering from playing with subpar teammates such as Fred, McT etc. Complement him with better players and we may reap the rewards.
He’s unbelievably skilled. I think it’s a fair claim. He just doesn’t have the mentality nor consistency of the leagues top performers.Come on man. No way is that true. He is not as bad as people make out, but no way is he the most skilled player in the league.
But you bet that the number wouldn't be greater than 5 or 6.
He’s unbelievably skilled. I think it’s a fair claim. He just doesn’t have the mentality nor consistency of the leagues top performers.
Pogba is more naturally gifted at football than De Bruyne for example, but De Bruyne is a better player than Pogba because his level is almost always high, while Pogba goes from fantastic to ok to terrible on a regular basis.
Of course there is, I don’t think there’s a single think KDB can do without the ball, but there’s a lot that Pogba can do that KDB can’t. That’s not to say that De Bruyne isn’t a better player, but that’s due to the mental aspect and other intangibles rather than technical or physical ability.I see no reason to believe this. I'm not saying Pogba isn't talented, but there's literally zero reason to believe that his raw talent is bigger than KDB's.
Of course there is, I don’t think there’s a single think KDB can do without the ball, but there’s a lot that Pogba can do that KDB can’t. That’s not to say that De Bruyne isn’t a better player, but that’s due to the mental aspect and other intangibles rather than technical or physical ability.
Fair enough, and you’re not wrong in that KDB’s vision and decision making, along with his ball striking technique are elite. I just think that Pogba’s technical gifts and physical abilities meant that even as a raw youngster, he could coast somewhat, and rely solely on his god given talent. KDB, on the other hand, needed more work and development as he wasn’t as naturally talented.I don't see it personally. KDB is ridiculously talented and has a ridiculous vision, great decision making and sublime technique with the ball in his shots and passes. Pogba is very talented but I see no reason why I should believe his talent is bigger than KDB.
Fair enough, and you’re not wrong in that KDB’s vision and decision making, along with his ball striking technique are elite. I just think that Pogba’s technical gifts and physical abilities meant that even as a raw youngster, he could coast somewhat, and rely solely on his god given talent. KDB, on the other hand, needed more work and development as he wasn’t as naturally talented.
I also think this is one of the reasons why KDB surpassed him as a player, as he wasn’t blessed with the natural talent of Pogba, so has constantly had to work on becoming a better player.
Would love to see where somebody said any different?There's not a single football fan up and down the country that would take Pogba over KDB outside of our fanbase. Jesus wept this is getting pathetic now guys. Pogba isn't even the best player at United let alone the whole league.
I disagree with that completely, I don’t think Pogba’s lazy at all.The real difference is that one of these worked their ass off and maximised their talents and the other is lazy and his overall game hasn't improved in ten years.
I disagree with that completely, I don’t think Pogba’s lazy at all.
So that's literally 9 games in 5 whole years and one of them was against Leicester (because the 4-1 against them was in 2016 I believe? And they fought for relegation in this season by the way).
That's a pretty low number for our world class player. Not actually that far away from my 5 to 6 games predictions.
And you can't compare it to Bruno who has only been here for 1.5 year. In Pogba first 1.5 year he legit had two good big games performance according to your list.
If Pogba is lazy why has we won so much (more than KDB)? Why do these great teams win huge trophies like the WC, Serie etc with him in a key area such as midfield? Pogba isn't lazy, he is just weak defensively. His problem at United is that he is a tactical misfit with a few important flaws in his game which get highlighted in a usually struggling team. KDB plays under Pep in a great team so it's not as simple as comparing their performanes/output for United and City, but yeah, if I was building a team, I'd take KDB due to those flaws in Pogba's game that work out fine in a quality team but not so much in a team like ours.KDB is just a far superior player in every aspect of his game, whether he has naturally more talent than Pogba or not is a moot point.
The real difference is that one of these players has worked his ass off and maximised his talents and the other is lazy and his overall game hasn't really improved in ten years.
You don’t like Pogba, we get it. Take a break.