Unfortunately the EPL doesn’t suit Paul Pogba. The speed and competitiveness of the league make him look ponderous and lethargic. I was excited when we got him but now realize that we’d be better cashing in on him and building an athletic and mobile midfield with someone that will get beyond the CF and wide men that will allow us to stretch play. I have never seen Utd play as narrow as they do today.
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I think he would suit city far far more .
Either the manager goes or pog goes. It's clearly not a good fit. Almost as bad as sanchez's constant chip / lobs in to the box.
I'm nowhere near writing him off as a long-term major player for us. It pissed me off this whole thing with his shite agent and offering him around to rivals in January but as a player he's got so much in his locker it would be a football tragedy if he doesn't turn out world class. The problem isn't the league, the system, formation etc. etc. it's all mental. He probably won't ever be the club captain as he just doesn't have that in him, but his mentality could still improve enough to be fairly professional.
Really hoped last week was a turning point for him and he might push on but today he was back to the same ineffectual and laid back Pogba that unfortunately we have seen too much of this season.
Hate to say it but Souness might have been right last week about not getting carried away with 45 mins of football from him last week as he has shown very little sign that he can consistently play to the level expected of a top midfielder.
Hate to say it but Souness might have been right last week about not getting carried away with 45 mins of football from him last week as he has shown very little sign that he can consistently play to the level expected of a top midfielder.
Get rid of him.
I hate his personality and attitude. We can still recoup most of our money if not get more if we play our cards right.
I hate his personality and attitude. We can still recoup most of our money if not get more if we play our cards right.
I've always hated it when people lazily refer to a player as a luxury player but you'd be hard pressed to find a player fitting that term more than Pogba in this league. I suppose Ozil is up there with him.
Both players that the Youtube highlight reel community cream themselves over but fail to have any meaningful influence over 90mins.
He's also the thickest player in our team. The best players in the PL are incredibly intelligent and the reason Pogba isn't up there with them is his immaturity and thick plays. The yellow card and the foul on the edge of the box were things players in the U18's wouldn't do.
Both players that the Youtube highlight reel community cream themselves over but fail to have any meaningful influence over 90mins.
He's also the thickest player in our team. The best players in the PL are incredibly intelligent and the reason Pogba isn't up there with them is his immaturity and thick plays. The yellow card and the foul on the edge of the box were things players in the U18's wouldn't do.
It's quite worrying to see that people are now firmly in the "sell him" camp. Couple this up with the from of Sanchez, Martial and Rashford woes and having a less than ideal CF in Lukaku, things aren't looking good.
These are the players we hoped would be our future. We knew the last few years have been shit, but these guys gave us hope that better days were on the horizon.
To now be so critical of these players worrys me. Not that it's wrong, but where does it leave us? To have to sell Pogba and Martial, along with all the others that need selling, would set us back years. I doubt we'd lay our hands on more talented players, so there's little hope that the next guys would be any better.
I can't help but just think the club is in a complete mess. There is absolutely no solution at this stage to get this team performing without spending serious money and bringing in a lot of players by the looks of it. It looks like the task will be a bridge too far for next year, which will see Jose sacked. By that point we'll be in complete disarray.
These are the players we hoped would be our future. We knew the last few years have been shit, but these guys gave us hope that better days were on the horizon.
To now be so critical of these players worrys me. Not that it's wrong, but where does it leave us? To have to sell Pogba and Martial, along with all the others that need selling, would set us back years. I doubt we'd lay our hands on more talented players, so there's little hope that the next guys would be any better.
I can't help but just think the club is in a complete mess. There is absolutely no solution at this stage to get this team performing without spending serious money and bringing in a lot of players by the looks of it. It looks like the task will be a bridge too far for next year, which will see Jose sacked. By that point we'll be in complete disarray.
I think Pogba is more of a Luxury player than Ozil. Ozil when given the opportunity in attack will make the correct decision the vast majority of time. His ability to find the right pass is among the best in the world.
Taking a look at that game. There was a point where we were counter attacking and running at West Brom's defence with Ashley Young in acres of space making a run behind their defence. Pogba should have made the pass and a run into the box for the cross or stayed at the edge of the box for a cut back. Instead he took a few extra touches, unaware of a West Brom player behind him, cut inside and got the ball nicked from him.
He also had that moment when he was up against two West Brom midfielders. He did a body feint, followed by a quick transition of the ball from one foot to the other, then a little shoulder barge to knock both players away from the ball giving him acres of space to run into. I told myself, 'How can you playlike a pub player for the whole game, then leave two players for dead like it was nothing'.
100% agree with you. On paper we should have the best strike force in the PL and we have the capabilities to do so but something is terribly wrong with our set up. We are like a graveyard for players with any sort of talent or flair. We seem to turn every player who comes to us into shite and it's fecking infuriating. It's been happening for many years now since the departure of SAF. I just don't get understand it. Are we putting too much pressure on them? United is a very demanding club and maybe some players aren't cut out to deal with it. Or is it something else? It can't be pressure in Martial's case for eg. He was carrying our attack in 15/16 at the age of 19. He isn't lacking anything.
Why are people blaming pogba. He worked his shift. It's the manager's fault for not believing in him and subbing him out. He didn't cause united to lose.
He jogged for a bit here and there, I'd seen fourth referees working harder than he did today.
Pogba should be treated simply as a player, not a star. If he doesn't suit a particular game, bench him. If he performs poorly, substitute him. If he doesn't follow instructions, leave him out.
Even if you want to sell him, it would require a buyer. He currently earns £15m + a season, that rules out most clubs. The few that could cope with such a salary, might not be too impressed by his recent performances. Then there is the transfer fee.
I thought he put in an immature performance. Several shots from long distance. Stupid handball. Risky challenge near our box when on a yellow card. A couple of reckless challenges early on, before he got booked.
Even if you want to sell him, it would require a buyer. He currently earns £15m + a season, that rules out most clubs. The few that could cope with such a salary, might not be too impressed by his recent performances. Then there is the transfer fee.
I thought he put in an immature performance. Several shots from long distance. Stupid handball. Risky challenge near our box when on a yellow card. A couple of reckless challenges early on, before he got booked.
Talk of selling him, some of you lot are thick shites.
Talk of selling him, some of you lot are thick shites.
Yep
I’m absolutely with you on all of this. I’ve felt that the complete mess has gone on for years, had its first major manifestation on the appointment of Moyes, and needs more than another manager change to get sorted out.
The problem with the bolded bit is that we’ve been doing just that and it didn’t prevent yesterday’s disaster. Labelling Martial and Mata “mentally weak”, slagging off the full backs or whatever is all very well, but Jose’s inability to get consistent performances out of HIS signings is seriously concerning, and makes one less confident that bringing in more players will set things right.
Talk of selling him, some of you lot are thick shites.
His dominating performance and 2 goals in the derby already long forgotten on the Caf. Are you really surprised?
Explain "worked his shift" please.
I don't think he would, at City everyone is asked to put ego and showboating to the side and play as a unit like everyone else. He will have to change a lot of his natural instinct to ever fit in a Guardiola team.
Mourinho is already doing this. Either Pogba adapts or he will be a permanent sub and that will eventually lead to him leaving.
This is exactly how Rooney was shown the door in a way even if the 2 situations are very different. A big name player was given chance to prove himself over time but since he just wasn't performing to a satisfying level for the coach, it led to him being a sub
His dominating performance and 2 goals in the derby already long forgotten on the Caf. Are you really surprised?
Nope. A bit sad really.
He doesn't have the necessary desire at all to get into City's team. If he put in half the effort or showed half the consistency of KdB or Silva he'd be a great player, but he just seems to lack the mentality to reach the very top at the moment. He sees football as a game and just wants to have fun, he's not ruthless or competitive enough.
He wouldn't get into their midfield at the moment, and has barely made it into ours recently. I understand the arguments blaming the manager for his performances but Pogba needs to step up too.
They all remind me of thisHis dominating performance and 2 goals in the derby already long forgotten on the Caf. Are you really surprised?
No, we just need to take his PS4 away and tell him that what he is doing isn't big and it isn't clever.
Talk of selling him, some of you lot are thick shites.
Some people here want to win stuff and you can't that if you build your team around Pogba.
Talk of selling him, some of you lot are thick shites.
I think your right. Most of the criticism is thinly veiled excuse for old blokes to feel nostalgia about the good old days with ''proper'' players and to also moan about the younger generation.
Firstly I'm not even sure we are building a team around Pogba and secondly we've already won trophies with Pogba in the team.
Still Pogba over Mourinho for me.
We don't? That's odd, usually teams do that with their most expensive signing.
Didn't know that the goal is to win the EL and League Cup. Have to keep him then.
His dominating performance and 2 goals in the derby already long forgotten on the Caf. Are you really surprised?
Not sure if serious...
The building the team around player X is a flawed concept anyways unless you have a Messi/Ronaldo/Neymar to work with. The quicker we move towards building a system and team than buying and building around a big name, the better off we will be.
I'd like to see us fix all our glaring problem spots before deciding on Pogba.
There’s just two scenarios really.
Scenario one is that Mourinho isn’t able to get the best out of the squad of players we have. Scenario two is that he is getting the best out of them and the generally underwhelming performances (including players he signed at huge expense) is as good as it gets.
So he’s either a manager who won’t get elite performances out of our squad or someone with a poor track record of identifying/signing the players we need in our squad.
The future looks grim either way.
At some point, we need to wonder why all these talented players look so clueless so often. Spending serious money is something we've been doing for a while so I dunno why spending more will suddenly solve everything. Even the guy being discussed in the thread came for a then world record fee.
This
It's purely business, in what world isn't he worth more it's ridiculous
I'd suggest hes on a good screw as It stands
It's exactly these games where he should be head and shoulders above everyone else and show he's superior. Unfortunately, he doesn't and that's why he's not up there yet.
To sell him is jus stupid talk though
To sell him is jus stupid talk though
I’m increasingly squad over Mourinho. Don’t want to see us selling players with best years ahead of them should we have any inclination to spend those same years with a different manager in charge.
Haha, he got his MOTM for the second half at least. A comeback is a comeback!
It was a great comeback and he gets credit where it’s due for the goals but it was a million miles short of a “dominant” central midfield performance.
To see one of those you’d have been better off watching players like Dembele or Fernandinho this season. Pains me to say it but fecking Milner and Henderson did a better job of dominating City’s midfield than anything Pogba’s been involved with.
Thought everyone was playing this like a second gear pre-season friendly, not just Pogba.
He was still shit though, mind.
He was still shit though, mind.
The EPL is so high octane these days, you have to have 11 switched on players. When you have Pogba playing like it’s 5 a side on a beach, that’s one less player already. Then yesterday, Mata for one, was having a stinker.
So that’s our 9 players vs their 11. We have to get players playing for the team and not their highlights reel.
So that’s our 9 players vs their 11. We have to get players playing for the team and not their highlights reel.
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