[Pogue Mahone]

Pogba has all the talent in the world. If he left us he’d end up at a top European side.

How many of our players can you say the same about.

Mourinho just can’t get the best out of Pogba. Juventus Pogba was miles ahead of the United version.

Nope. Not true. Unless he brought something to Juventus that isn’t measurable by any statistic used in football. Which I doubt.

 

[Litch]

Pogba has all the talent in the world. If he left us he’d end up at a top European side.

How many of our players can you say the same about.

Mourinho just can’t get the best out of Pogba. Juventus Pogba was miles ahead of the United version.

Don't be daft, it's all Pogba's fault. How can't he play football for this Utd team full of flair and creative football. Also a manager that takes risks to play attacking progressive football. Let's be honest, if he went to PSG what difference would it make playing with Neymar and Mbappe?
I agree with others, let's sell him and then maybe we can convince Fellaini to stay?
Adidas must be stupid ploughing millions of pounds into a player that can't even produce in this star studded Utd team?

 

[shamans]

Pogba didn't stop trying, he just played badly, I like Mata, but he looked 'flat out' all the time, and yet still looked like doing nothing.

We must be doing something wrong with Pogba becasue he is world class imo, and so many of our players look out of sorts it's harsh to single him out.

Name me few aspect of Pogba that he is world class at. Does he have world class shooting? Does he have world class passing? Does he have world class off the ball movement? I think Pogba does have incredible talent and potential but right now he is not world class at anything.

 

[M Bison]

I saw the WBA midfield today and laughed, Chris Brunt vs Pogba, surely there was only one winner? How wrong I was.

I hope he soon realises that sometimes you have to dig in and work hard otherwise you’ll lose, if he doesn’t he’s going to be a real waste of talent.

 

[Bwuk]

Nope. Not true. Unless he brought something to Juventus that isn’t measurable by any statistic used in football. Which I doubt.

You don’t need stats, just watch the game. There’s a reason he was getting in the FIFA World 11, and why we broke the transfer record for him.

He doesn’t fit here. It’s Veron mk2.

 

[shamans]

Nope. Not true. Unless he brought something to Juventus that isn’t measurable by any statistic used in football. Which I doubt.

Same stats as a much younger player where Pirlo and Vidal held the team. This was supposed to be his step up as he matures into a footballer we expected not only more goals and assists but more of an impact on the team.

I am not going to say he has been garbage or anything but fact remains he hasn't been good enough and we expect more. Still I think there are bigger worries like defense and flanks but he hasn't been good enough and bringing in stats from a different context just masks that unfairly.

 

[The Original]

Name me few aspect of Pogba that he is world class at. Does he have world class shooting? Does he have world class passing? Does he have world class off the ball movement? I think Pogba does have incredible talent and potential but right now he is not world class at anything.

He does have world class passing, with both feet to boot. He has an incredible passing range and great vision.. it is sheer revisionism based on a few games to suggest otherwise. He is also world class at ball retention for a midfielder which is an underrated skill but the best in his position such as Modric and Verratti have this skill as a major component of their game.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Probably the worst performance from a United midfielder since Schweinsteiger vs Arsenal, absolutely dreadful. Hell it's worse. Made Ozil look like Ji Sung Park in comparison, zero effort.

 

[shamans]

He does have world class passing, with both feet to boot. He has an incredible passing range and great vision.. it is sheer revisionism based on a few games to suggest otherwise. He is also world class at ball retention for a midfielder which is an underrated skill but the best in his position such as Modric and Verratti have this skill as a major component of their game.

Well I disagree and I don't think it is revisionism. There is a difference between being able to pull of world class passes and having world class passing. Pogba can currently make world class passes sometimes but De Bruyne is a player who has world class passing.

I don't think the fact that Pogba can make a world class pass counts for nothing. Like I said he has potential to be world class but right now, he isn't world class at anything.

 

[The Original]

So many players were so poor today but people are picking on Pogba. It's amazing. Young kept dallying on the ball when there were obvious options, Matic kept misplacing simple passes, Mata had so many strange touches, Sanchez was invisible, yet the problem apparently, is Paul Pogba. Amazing.

It seems obvious to me that the big problem stems from Mourinho's inability to put the team together not from any individual player.

 

[Litch]

Same stats as a much younger player where Pirlo and Vidal held the team. This was supposed to be his step up as he matures into a footballer we expected not only more goals and assists but more of an impact on the team.

I am not going to say he has been garbage or anything but fact remains he hasn't been good enough and we expect more. Still I think there are bigger worries like defense and flanks but he hasn't been good enough and bringing in stats from a different context just masks that unfairly.

Shamans, there is not a football club in the world that wouldn't want him. If we don't then let's sell him along with all the other creative players that Jose can't get a tune out of. Trust me if you are remotely creative, this team will make you look worse than you actually are in how it plays its football. Jose is slowly strangled the life out of anything and anybody creative in this team.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Shamans, there is not a football club in the world that wouldn't want him. If we don't then let's sell him along with all the other creative players that Jose can't get a tune out of. Trust me if you are remotely creative, this team will make you look worse than you actually are in how it plays its football. Jose is slowly strangled the life out of anything and anybody creative in this team.

Excellent. Jesse Lingard must be nailed on for the Balon D’Or when Jose leaves....

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Name me few aspect of Pogba that he is world class at. Does he have world class shooting? Does he have world class passing? Does he have world class off the ball movement? I think Pogba does have incredible talent and potential but right now he is not world class at anything.

I maybe should have said he has everything to be world class, he was on the whole fantastic for Juve, which is why we paid so much for him, and he really should be at the top of the tree by now, so it's disappointing for sure, but because a lot if our players seem so restricted and constrained by Jose I'm willing to see through this current Pogba we are seeing, and hope he sticks with us until he is managed correctly, and we see what most think is there.

 

[Litch]

Excellent. Jesse Lingard must be nailed on for the Balon D’Or when Jose leaves....

Yep, that's why Jose starts him every game like today?

 

[limerickcitykid]

Play him deeper and he doesn't want to defend. Play him higher and he slows the whole game down taking too many touches. Buy 3 world class midfielders, play a diamond, give him no responsibility in build up, defensively or leadership and he will deliver 10 goals a season and a pretty highlight reel.

By the sounds of it we should buy 3 world class midfielders and sit him on the bench.

Can't be expected to have attacking responsibility but doesn't do any defending either.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yep, that's why Jose starts him every game like today?

Sorry, what? Does that have some relevance to what I said in your head?

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Thought he'd turned the corner after that amazing half against citeh.

If he was sold and went abroad for no less than 70m I think it could, perhaps, be better for both parties.

Through no fault of his own he disrupts teamsheet balance, and requires formations and line-ups that don't bring out the best in the rest of the team.

If he was sold and the money was reinvested with common sense, I think we could possibly a better team.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

By the sounds of it we should buy 3 world class midfielders and sit him on the bench.

Can't be expected to have attacking responsibility but doesn't do any defending either.

That was his point tbf.

 

[Litch]

Sorry, what? Does that have some relevance to what I said in your head?

Yes cause what you said was equally nonsensical if your suggesting Jose has had anything to do with Lingards 'upturn'. I think you'll find LVG stewardship was most significant and whilst Jose continued with it, it's still arguably that he doesn't play him enough. Maybe if Jose wasn't here, he might be an even better player....or maybe that's just in my head?

 

[breakout67]

Thought he'd turned the corner after that amazing half against citeh.

If he was sold and went abroad for no less than 70m I think it could, perhaps, be better for both parties.

Through no fault of his own he disrupts teamsheet balance, and requires formations and line-ups that don't bring out the best in the rest of the team.

If he was sold and the money was reinvested with common sense, I think we could possibly a better team.

The City game seemed to have the opposite effect. He said in a post match interview that he needed help from other players in the team...so he thinks he is doing a fine job.

 

[Litch]

Thought he'd turned the corner after that amazing half against citeh.

If he was sold and went abroad for no less than 70m I think it could, perhaps, be better for both parties.

Through no fault of his own he disrupts teamsheet balance, and requires formations and line-ups that don't bring out the best in the rest of the team.

If he was sold and the money was reinvested with common sense, I think we could possibly a better team.

Maybe I'm too blinkered and maybe I'm too pro Pogba but 70m and reinvested....in what a left back? How far do you think 70m gives...

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Maybe I'm too blinkered and maybe I'm too pro Pogba but 70m and reinvested....in what a left back? How far do you think 70m gives...

I think that's a realistic amount given his performances.

And we're not a club that is actually reliant on that money in order to spend, obviously.

So, maybe we'd invest another 50m on top of that 70m and bring in 2 midfielders, or maybe we'd stick another 20m on it and buy a direct replacement 'star player'.

I dunno, it's not my job.

I'm not saying 'he must be sold' or anything, I'm just observing that he doesn't look happy in his football, he's not performing to a level that any sensible fan thinks he should be, and we're a big club, we've got options, we've got money.

So yeah, if he was sold abroad, for a decent amount and the money was reinvested sensibly with football common sense, I think it could be a good move for the club (and Pogba himself too).

 

[Litch]

The City game seemed to have the opposite effect. He said in a post match interview that he needed help from other players in the team...so he thinks he is doing a fine job.

It kind of reminds me of when everyone talks about how far we are behind City when those teams are further behind them than we are. I know every forum needs a season scapegoat but it's not like he's playing with Keane, Scholes, Becks and Giggs. I'm sorry but football at this level is almost impossible to have a good game without others around you being of a good quality. I accept if they were and he wasn't but that's not the case, and all our best players are suffering cause more than half the team would not look out of place in an Everton shirt. I think midfield is the hardest position on the pitch and we have struggled season after season to get the right balance...

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

He's not playing for Jose. Seems like a power struggle.

If the club see Jose as long term manager I can see Pogba leaving in the summer which would be very disappointing!

 

[breakout67]

It kind of reminds me of when everyone talks about how far we are behind City when those teams are further behind them than we are. I know every forum needs a season scapegoat but it's not like he's playing with Keane, Scholes, Becks and Giggs. I'm sorry but football at this level is almost impossible to have a good game without others around you being of a good quality. I accept if they were and he wasn't but that's not the case, and all our best players are suffering cause more than half the team would not look out of place in an Everton shirt. I think midfield is the hardest position on the pitch and we have struggled season after season to get the right balance...

I am right with you on that. I don't think Pogba is that Keane type of player that can run the midfield by himself. Pogba can be a very good player as part of a well oiled machine, but he can't take the responsibility of the whole team on himself.

He has been very inconsistent this season. Very good in 2017, but 2018 has seen him put in some abject performances and some good ones.

 

[Litch]

I think that's a realistic amount given his performances.

And we're not a club that is actually reliant on that money in order to spend, obviously.

So, maybe we'd invest another 50m on top of that 70m and bring in 2 midfielders, or maybe we'd stick another 20m on it and buy a direct replacement 'star player'.

I dunno, it's not my job.

I'm not saying 'he must be sold' or anything, I'm just observing that he doesn't look happy in his football, he's not performing to a level that any sensible fan thinks he should be, and we're a big club, we've got options, we've got money.

So yeah, if he was sold abroad, for a decent amount and the money was reinvested sensibly with football common sense, I think it could be a good move for the club (and Pogba himself too).

I hear you but at some point someone is going to have to realise that to perform at any level, you need the quality around you. Without it, it's an impossibility and I'm sorry but that team has far too much mediocrity. Good squad players but should not be starting for us. If you keep selling your star player to bring in another star player, you don't actually change the quality of the team.

 

[el3mel]

He's getting too many excuses for my liking. I swear if we hadn't started the game in 4-3-3 people would have brought that in the discussion as usual.

 

[breakout67]

He's getting too many excused for my liking. I swear if we hadn't started the game in 4-3-3 people would have brought that in the discussion as usual.

The manager already predicted Pogba's game against West Brom.

Before the game:


"I will tell you what I told him after the (City) match and it's exactly what I told him - I don't expect you to be man of the match every week, I don't expect you to score two goals every week.

"I expect you to be consistent in a certain level.

"So, if you ask me, I'm expecting Paul now to be man of the match every week? No.

"If I expect him to score goals every match? No.

"But I expect Paul - and I think that's the challenge he has to put to himself - to keep a certain stability and not to have the good match and the so-so match and the bad match.


I know there is this idea that Mourinho doesn't know how to utilize Pogba, but I think he knows Pogba perfectly and is trying to elevate him to a higher level.

 

[Litch]

I am right with you on that. I don't think Pogba is that Keane type of player that can run the midfield by himself. Pogba can be a very good player as part of a well oiled machine, but he can't take the responsibility of the whole team on himself.

He has been very inconsistent this season. Very good in 2017, but 2018 has seen him put in some abject performances and some good ones.

Not sure there are any Roy Keanes left in modern day football tbh. Even then look who Keane had next to him, behind him and in front. Pogba has been has inconsistent as the team as a whole...good, bad and bloody ugly. I'm over egging the point but look at the midfields of City, Real, Bayern, PSG. We are a very poor team, in a league full of quality teams and managers that have won feck all...

 

[limerickcitykid]

That was his point tbf.

Yea I was agreeing with him and the ridiculousness of people's excuses for Pogba.

 

[Eyepopper]

In the Premier League this season, Philippe Coutinho has scored two more goals, made 10 more key passes and created seven more chances than Paul Pogba.

He left the division four months ago.

I know they're not a like for like comparison but given the hype around Pogba, thats pretty shocking.

 

[el3mel]

The manager already predicted Pogba's game against West Brom.

Before the game:


"I will tell you what I told him after the (City) match and it's exactly what I told him - I don't expect you to be man of the match every week, I don't expect you to score two goals every week.

"I expect you to be consistent in a certain level.

"So, if you ask me, I'm expecting Paul now to be man of the match every week? No.

"If I expect him to score goals every match? No.

"But I expect Paul - and I think that's the challenge he has to put to himself - to keep a certain stability and not to have the good match and the so-so match and the bad match.


I know there is this idea that Mourinho doesn't know how to utilize Pogba, but I think he knows Pogba perfectly and is trying to elevate him to a higher level.

Saw these quotes yesterday but couldn't believe he's going to do similar performance like that again just after 2 good games.

I'm getting tired of seeing our supposedly 2 top class players not performing on regular basis. Mourinho had a terrible game, so as other players, but you expect in these games your 2 top class players will pull everyone and save the day as we see for other clubs. Turn out they tend to sink with the rest of the team 9 times out of 10. City look ore like an exception than a rule.

 

[kouroux]

The manager already predicted Pogba's game against West Brom.

Before the game:


"I will tell you what I told him after the (City) match and it's exactly what I told him - I don't expect you to be man of the match every week, I don't expect you to score two goals every week.

"I expect you to be consistent in a certain level.

"So, if you ask me, I'm expecting Paul now to be man of the match every week? No.

"If I expect him to score goals every match? No.

"But I expect Paul - and I think that's the challenge he has to put to himself - to keep a certain stability and not to have the good match and the so-so match and the bad match.


I know there is this idea that Mourinho doesn't know how to utilize Pogba, but I think he knows Pogba perfectly and is trying to elevate him to a higher level.

Mourinho knows what he is doing. He wants him to be consistent on long term basis regarding basic things before increasing his responsabilities but Pogba scored twice last time and he is back to his arrogant habits

 

[breakout67]

Not sure there are any Roy Keanes left in modern day football tbh. Even then look who Keane had next to him, behind him and in front. Pogba has been has inconsistent as the team as a whole...good, bad and bloody ugly. I'm over egging the point but look at the midfields of City, Real, Bayern, PSG. We are a very poor team, in a league full of quality teams and managers that have won feck all...

Yes you are right, our midfield is quite short. And if we want to be a top team we have to improve there.

Come to think of it, our two best midfielders have been here 1 and 2 years. It has been neglected for a long time.

 

[TMDaines]

You don’t need stats, just watch the game. There’s a reason he was getting in the FIFA World 11, and why we broke the transfer record for him.

He doesn’t fit here. It’s Veron mk2.

Veron was coming into a top side though with many players who had already won titles surrounding him and many of whom went on to win more titles.

Who are the players that are intrinsic to United currently that we are loathe to shift or tinker with to accommodate Pogba, or indeed anyone else? I was saying this earlier, but going into to next season I see De Gea, Lukaku and nine question marks. I don’t think anyone else is a cert to start the first game of next season injury permitting.

 

[Xeno]

Don't be daft, it's all Pogba's fault. How can't he play football for this Utd team full of flair and creative football. Also a manager that takes risks to play attacking progressive football. Let's be honest, if he went to PSG what difference would it make playing with Neymar and Mbappe?
I agree with others, let's sell him and then maybe we can convince Fellaini to stay?
Adidas must be stupid ploughing millions of pounds into a player that can't even produce in this star studded Utd team?

Is this hyperbole, sarcasm or just a shitpost?

 

[el3mel]

You don’t need stats, just watch the game. There’s a reason he was getting in the FIFA World 11, and why we broke the transfer record for him.

He doesn’t fit here. It’s Veron mk2.

Don't think it's the problem of him being unfit here as Veron, more like his mentality has changed from the hard working kid that wants to prove himself to the arrogant superstar who doesn't put half the work he did with Juve tbh.

 

[reddaz71]

If Madrid offered Kroos for Pogba would you not snatch their hand off? its a no brainer yet why would they? he is massively overrated,over hyped, and lets be honest, Souness is probably right about him! maybe we should cut our losses on him,he has been for the most part absolutely shocking.

 

[Bwuk]

If Madrid offered Kroos for Pogba would you not snatch their hand off? its a no brainer yet why would they? he is massively overrated,over hyped, and lets be honest, Souness is probably right about him! maybe we should cut our losses on him,he has been for the most part absolutely shocking.

Of course you would - Toni Kroos is probably the best midfielder in the world.

 

[Devil may care]

He was really poor today, just lethargic and in pipe and slippers mode.