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Form is temporary, class is forever!

He’ll be back soon, no point Jose playing him out of form, a few games to get his head and confidence right and he’ll be our main man again.

We see these men once a week
For 90 mins, they train together everyday and all get along. I’m sure he’s happy and the teams morale will be fine.

Just remember Ronaldos 2nd season and some of his 3rd. Very sporadic and in and out of the squad. Same with Beckham, dropped loads because he was out of form amd stopped performing at times.

Yes I know some will say Pogba was 86million and Ronny was a youngster etc... correct, the point im trying to make is players have good spells and bad spells. Pogba is and will soon prove again he’s one of the best CM in the world.
 
Yes Angliared is right.

Form is temporary, Class is permanent.

Pogba will be back to scoring and creating goals because he's just that good and he's playing in the core midfield of the team.
 
breakout67 said:
Fabregas worked with Matic. This constant excuse making for Pogba is annoying.

Pogba was doing fine with Matic earlier in the season, then all of a sudden turned into a player that jogged around like he was on the training ground.

We have seen already with the emergence of McTominay that Matic has a perfectly fine engine when another midfielder actually helps him like midfielder's are supposed to.

It is impossible for a player to be a 1 man midfield, that is the only reason Matic looked like he was carrying a bag of cement for 1-2 months, he had to cover the whole midfield by himself.
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Great post. Let Pogba do the basics first (give 100% effort on the both ends) before throwing shades at his midfield partners.
The question should be even "How well would Matic be playing if Pogba was more consistent ?"
 
Its clear to me that Pogba doesn’t want to play a deep/central orchestrator role anymore. He has all the skills to do it, but when the player himself is not committed to it, there is nothing anyone can do. He wants to be the showman. His first instinct is to carry the ball forward, beat couple of players, stop, beat them again. Very rarely does he pick up the ball and look up to see who is in a better position.

Its best to move him further up the pitch and put the responsibility on him to increase his attacking ouptut. Because, quite frankly, his peformances in an advanced role really haven’t justified his superstar status.

We need a new central midfielder to do what Pogba should be doing. It will help our overall play and make the build up quicker.
 
littleman said:
I think Warren's assessment of Pogba as an old fashioned inside left is correct. And he does not seem to possess the desire or the talent to become a b2b. We should either use him as is or ditch him, because the boy has mental problems getting through this patch now.
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Why the hell would you know? Are you his shrink?
 
Rasfene said:
Yes Angliared is right.

Form is temporary, Class is permanent.

Pogba will be back to scoring and creating goals because he's just that good and he's playing in the core midfield of the team.
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I don't know. It's not like we've seen him do much of this in the first place is it?
 
elnorte said:
I don't know. It's not like we've seen him do much of this in the first place is it?
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He's contributed to 17 goals in 27 appearances this season so we have seen him do it.
 
breakout67 said:
Fabregas worked with Matic. This constant excuse making for Pogba is annoying.

Pogba was doing fine with Matic earlier in the season, then all of a sudden turned into a player that jogged around like he was on the training ground.

We have seen already with the emergence of McTominay that Matic has a perfectly fine engine when another midfielder actually helps him like midfielder's are supposed to.

It is impossible for a player to be a 1 man midfield, that is the only reason Matic looked like he was carrying a bag of cement for 1-2 months, he had to cover the whole midfield by himself.
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Fabregas and Pogba are different players. Pogba drives through the heart of the midfield and dribbles a lot more whilst Fabregas prefers to sit deep and ping the passes like Carrick. That Fabregas is completely different to the Fabregas from Arsenal.There's no comparison. Matic for me is a big problem not because he's a bad player but I don't think he's the right fit for this team personally.
 
abdo99 said:
Fabregas and Pogba are different players. Pogba drives through the heart of the midfield and dribbles a lot more whilst Fabregas prefers to sit deep and ping the passes like Carrick. That Fabregas is completely different to the Fabregas from Arsenal.There's no comparison. Matic for me is a big problem not because he's a bad player but I don't think he's the right fit for this team personally.
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Matic fits every player in the team and worked well with almost every other midfielder we have, even Pogba at the start of the season. It's only Pogba's problem at the moment. We aren't gonna change everything for the sake of him. He needs to grow up, improve and finds his form again, that's all.
 
el3mel said:
Matic fits every player in the team and worked well with almost every other midfielder we have, even Pogba at the start of the season. It's only Pogba's problem at the moment. We aren't gonna change everything for the sake of him. He needs to grow up, improve and finds his form again, that's all.
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Yep Pogba is in bad form currently and deserved to be dropped no doubt but I have some doubts about whether Matic is the right profile of midfielder we need in the DM position. Perhaps he should play as a number 8 instead and we sign a deep lying playmaker to play Matic's position. I felt that even last year his work went unnoticed because of Kante but he played a big role for Chelsea and those two as a partnership were very important.
 
abdo99 said:
Yep Pogba is in bad form currently and deserved to be dropped no doubt but I have some doubts about whether Matic is the right profile of midfielder we need in the DM position. Perhaps he should play as a number 8 instead and we sign a deep lying playmaker to play Matic's position. I felt that even last year his work went unnoticed because of Kante but he played a big role for Chelsea and those two as a partnership were very important.
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Matic isn't the problem. Far from it actually. We were paying the same about Herrera last season, that he's not a proper defender midfielder and he leaves the field too open when he plays beside Pogba, now it's also Matic problem ? Next season we can get a deep lying midfielder and we will see things like " the deep lying midfielder is not good defensively and we're too open at the back with Pogba playing with him too!".

It's only Pogba's problem, not anyone else. Again, we're not going to change all his teammates that are working well for the team for the sake of him. Matic playing great, while Pogba is playing terrible, so we change Matic for someone else ? That's illogical. It's Pogba who needs to grow up.

Also, last year Matic wasn't really a number 8. Matic was the one setting at the back while Kante was given more a few role to press everywhere he likes. At the beginning of the season it was the opposite, and Chelsea were terrible in the 4-1-4-1 Conte was trying to implement, in which Kante was setting back and Matic was a number 8. He converted to 3-5-2 and swapped both their roles and Chelsea started to dominate. Their current problem is Bakayoko is fecking shite in doing that set back role, as he's also was more of a box to box in Monaco.
 
AltiUn said:
He's contributed to 17 goals in 27 appearances this season so we have seen him do it.
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3KDré said:
Did you not watch a single game in the first half of the season?
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Well according to the figures I've read he's so far managed three goals and ten assists in all competitions this season. Personally I'd like to see significantly more from him in both areas before I can comfortably believe he is justifying all the money paid for him.
 
Rasfene said:
Yes Angliared is right.

Form is temporary, Class is permanent.

Pogba will be back to scoring and creating goals because he's just that good and he's playing in the core midfield of the team.
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Goes without saying really. I have been on board the "Pogba needs to improve" train, but it's gone way out of control now. He's been good the majority of the season, but he still needed to improve. Now you'd think he has been an absolute flop if you heard the way some are going on.
 
Sitting on the bench for today's start of the game against Colombia. Kante and Matuidi starting ahead of him.
 
Like already said, something isn't right. Either it's where his heads at or it's an injury.
 
If he is injured he probably wouldnt be on international duty.

Werent clubs always at logger heads with the international teams for playing players that has just recovered from injury ?

Also JM doesnt seem like the type of person that would sit quietly if international teams are forcing players to play if injured.
 
Pogba might struggle to start for France. They have so many attacking options, do they really want to drop one or put Griezeman out wide so Pogba can have his left of a 3 position? As with Utd they really need him to adapt to a more orthodox midfield role.
 
Didn't watch it too but the way they lost seems quite damning and as far as I'm concerned he entered the pitch when it was 2-2 ?

I hoped the break will benefit him but seems it'll do him more harm than good by this rate.

Don't know what's the problem. It's like we had a Pogba for most of the season then we replaced him with his twin brother starting from Spurs game.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
He only played the last 20 minutes, but the whole team played poorly throughout the second half , especially the defence, and he was no worse than anyone else.
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Get out this thread with your sensible posting and take your agenda with you!!!
 
He needs to be taken out of the firing line for his own good and sit out the games completely. Either that or he starts from the beginning to get a feel for the game. He missed training this week so why is he featuring at all?
 
I've probably watched more games where Pogba has been shite than I've watched him being good. I honestly think we should sell him before any of the big boys realise he's not actually as good as he thinks he is..
 
PoTMS said:
I've probably watched more games where Pogba has been shite than I've watched him being good. I honestly think we should sell him before any of the big boys realise he's not actually as good as he thinks he is..
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I hear other people like you suggest that Pogba thinks he's better than he is, where does that even come from? He's a humble kid and has never made claims about his standing in world football being higher than it should be. You can say he's playing like crap, you don't have to misrepresent him to enhance your point.
 
PoTMS said:
I've probably watched more games where Pogba has been shite than I've watched him being good.
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This is how I felt before we got him, every game I watched him play in he was average and I never got the hype and thought we overpaid when we bought him. I have to say he did play better than I thought he would and he's obviously ridiculous talent, I just dont think he has the right attitude or mentality to become the player the player everyone wants him to become.
 
abdo99 said:
Fabregas and Pogba are different players. Pogba drives through the heart of the midfield and dribbles a lot more whilst Fabregas prefers to sit deep and ping the passes like Carrick. That Fabregas is completely different to the Fabregas from Arsenal.There's no comparison. Matic for me is a big problem not because he's a bad player but I don't think he's the right fit for this team personally.
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Fabregas has a far better read of the game, that is the difference. Fabregas started as a CM at Arsenal, then turned into a false-9/no.10 at Barcelona, then turned into a deep lying playmaker at Chelsea. He adapted to different manager's tactical instructions; a sign of a truly great midfielder. I would say that Fabregas at any stage of his career would have worked with Matic.

I see it quite simply, Pogba has all the tools to be a truly great midfielder, and looked to be growing into it this season. The ability to anticipate the play, and a drop of the shoulder or a timely dribble to open up the game. He even showed his fantastic range of passing, which he seemed to have improved by watching Pirlo.

Pogba doesn't have a 'type' when it comes to his player profile, the only thing he can't do is be a DM. He has shown at Juventus and United that he can be a CM, playmaker and a left midfielder all to a high level. Saying that Pogba drives through the heart of midfield makes little to no sense since he has played the majority of his career not in the heart of midfield but rather as a supplement to other players running the game.
 
breakout67 said:
Fabregas worked with Matic. This constant excuse making for Pogba is annoying.

Pogba was doing fine with Matic earlier in the season, then all of a sudden turned into a player that jogged around like he was on the training ground.

We have seen already with the emergence of McTominay that Matic has a perfectly fine engine when another midfielder actually helps him like midfielder's are supposed to.

It is impossible for a player to be a 1 man midfield, that is the only reason Matic looked like he was carrying a bag of cement for 1-2 months, he had to cover the whole midfield by himself.
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The lad needs to step up a notch, to many excuses and never his own fault. It's Mourinhos tactics, he's played out of position, he doesn't have the right partner...

Agree that there are to many excuses. In the end it's on him to do his best whatever manager, position, tactic or partner he has to work with.
 
Cannot blame King Pogba. It was already 2-2 when he came on and Columbia got a penalty.

Pogba was everywhere in the match and even had a shot on target.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
He only played the last 20 minutes, but the whole team played poorly throughout the second half , especially the defence, and he was no worse than anyone else.
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So he really was shit huh ? Good to know

Zoo said:
He needs to be more like Kante. Oh wait..
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Well Kanté starts for both club and country so still valid
 
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breakout67 said:
Fabregas has a far better read of the game, that is the difference. Fabregas started as a CM at Arsenal, then turned into a false-9/no.10 at Barcelona, then turned into a deep lying playmaker at Chelsea. He adapted to different manager's tactical instructions; a sign of a truly great midfielder. I would say that Fabregas at any stage of his career would have worked with Matic.

I see it quite simply, Pogba has all the tools to be a truly great midfielder, and looked to be growing into it this season. The ability to anticipate the play, and a drop of the shoulder or a timely dribble to open up the game. He even showed his fantastic range of passing, which he seemed to have improved by watching Pirlo.

Pogba doesn't have a 'type' when it comes to his player profile, the only thing he can't do is be a DM. He has shown at Juventus and United that he can be a CM, playmaker and a left midfielder all to a high level. Saying that Pogba drives through the heart of midfield makes little to no sense since he has played the majority of his career not in the heart of midfield but rather as a supplement to other players running the game.
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That's the fundamental contradiction with Pogba. He has all the physical and technical tools you could ever want from a midfielder. But the most important quality for a great midfielder is movement and positioning - to be in the right place at the right time, to facilitate possession by always being open for a pass or by drawing away the defense so your partner can create, to help the defense by walling off passing angles and forcing the play into less dangerous zones. Its part effort, part experience, part intuitive understanding of the flow of football. Pogba may or may not be able to develop this part of his game but right now he is sorely lacking.
 
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