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To be a great manager, you must not doubt yourself. On the other, Pogba can decide to zip up and do his job, will the media and everyone accept they were wrong?
Well the media and everyone's opinion on Pogba changes about every week.
Since I've been watching Manchester United, I have seen these players play in a midfield two, Butt, Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs(not even a CM), O'Shea(not a CM), Fortune(not a CM) Kleberson, Miller(RIP), P.Neville and many more I can't remember but somehow, a pure talented midfielder can't play in midfield two and yet some fans excuse him.
Did you not see Pogba playing in midfield 2 and dominating games? If so I would suggest to watch some highlights from the season start to till Spurs game.
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RE: Pogba - Saying that you see Pogba as a deep-lying player capable of dictating the tempo and as better in a 3-man midfield aren’t mutually exclusive
The point of my post (the one you quoted) is I hate to see Pogba START in an advanced position (say where Lingard has been playing or a traditional #10) when he is receiving the ball as I think he has been very ineffective in the limited games he has played there for us.
I want to see Pogba picking the ball up deep and dictating the play and I also want to see him able to drive forward from that position when we do have the chance to counter, carrying the ball from deep and/or getting into the box
Martial isn’t going to track back with any intensity. Neither is Sanchez (works hard but that’s diffferent), Lukaku outright shouldn’t be charging around as needs to conserve energy with a frame like that. That means it’s very easy to pass the ball around into our midfield and if we’ve only got Matic and Pogba (who is usually straining at the leash and trying to wander) then you’re so exposed.
Solution would be to play Matic plus one (Herrera, McTominay, Fellaini etc...) and let Pogba have total freedom. But that’s not me saying I want him in an “attacking role” because it’s not the same thing
RE: Pogba - Saying that you see Pogba as a deep-lying player capable of dictating the tempo and as better in a 3-man midfield aren’t mutually exclusive
The point of my post (the one you quoted) is I hate to see Pogba START in an advanced position (say where Lingard has been playing or a traditional #10) when he is receiving the ball as I think he has been very ineffective in the limited games he has played there for us.
I want to see Pogba picking the ball up deep and dictating the play and I also want to see him able to drive forward from that position when we do have the chance to counter, carrying the ball from deep and/or getting into the box
Martial isn’t going to track back with any intensity. Neither is Sanchez (works hard but that’s diffferent), Lukaku outright shouldn’t be charging around as needs to conserve energy with a frame like that. That means it’s very easy to pass the ball around into our midfield and if we’ve only got Matic and Pogba (who is usually straining at the leash and trying to wander) then you’re so exposed.
Solution would be to play Matic plus one (Herrera, McTominay, Fellaini etc...) and let Pogba have total freedom. But that’s not me saying I want him in an “attacking role” because it’s not the same thing
What happen then? Why the sudden cry about playing in two man midfield?
The funny part is that Pogba has been playing in a two man mid for the most part since he came back. But suddenly the reason for him sulking is a two man midfield.
If there is indeed a problem, it has nothing do with how many in the midfield he is playing with.
If there is indeed a problem, it has nothing do with how many in the midfield he is playing with.
Did anyone say he can't play against home vs smaller teams? No.
Can he do against Spurs like midfield? No.
With Sanchez and in 4-2-3-1 are we getting best out of the team? No. So I don't see anything wrong with asking for better balance and something that brings best out of teams.
There are many who always said Pogba should play in midfield 3, I wasn't one of them though.
He isn't sulking, not able to do job properly or having poor games doesn't mean sulking.
Where in this plethora of powerful midfields he can't play against did you rank Newcastle?
Yeah one poor game and the conclusions are drawn.
Some actual footage of the mythical beast, Pogba playing well in a midfield two.
Only one winner in this fight and it is the manager. The club wont seem to be weak and let go of a manager because a player is unhappy where he is being played. This happened with Zlatan/Mourinho at inter too, Zlatan was shown the door too. I think it also has to do with money sanchez is on, Pogba is now not the only star of the team and hence ego will be hurt. Either Pogba bends to Jose's needs or he wont be in the team. Once a manager bends to a players needs, he will have to bend to every one, Martial may come in and ask top play in Sanchez/Lukaku postion, Rashford can threaten next, not the right precedent to set.
You play where your manager says you to play. i am very sure a compromise will be reached but it is a bit worrying this is coming out in most important time of the season.
You play where your manager says you to play. i am very sure a compromise will be reached but it is a bit worrying this is coming out in most important time of the season.
This is like you are arguing some non existent point. No one said Pogba can't play well in midfield 2, he already did this season. People have said he can't against stronger opponents and we won't see the very best of Pogba in midfield 2.
Just watch how well he played when Juventus played defensive game vs Bayern away, how he dribbled past players and created chances. That's the best version of Pogba.
I didn't draw the conclusions, there is actually an article out there saying Pogba himself request to play in a 3-man midfield.
There isn't a fight, especially not like only one can stay at the club.
Also Ibrahimovic left because he wanted to join Barca, not because Jose wanted him out.
And now that article is taken as gospel, not that there is a very good chance to make up the story with everything that is going on.
btw players asking coach to play in certain position or role is nothing new. Not sure why everything is blown out of proportions. Many players even said in interviews in which position they want to play but they are ready to play in any position for team.
Asking is of course fine.
Putting little effort in and complaining when you don't get your way would be far from fine
I desperately want him to stay but if there was an option to keep him and play him in the wrong way, or sell him - I'd go for the latter.
It's almost a hinderence sometimes when he doesn't play to the role he's meant to play.
It's almost a hinderence sometimes when he doesn't play to the role he's meant to play.
Like the mighty Newcastle?
We’ve established that the Juve stuff is irrelevant. If we had Pirlo and Vidal available for selection then the comparison is fair. We don’t though. Playing him in a three at United involves dropping one of our best attacking players and picking Hererra who’s been crap all season. Which helps explain why in both games where we did start with Pogba, Hererra and Matic (including against an absolutely terrible Stoke team) we were just as shite as our worst performances in a 4231.
If anything was the epitome of the English media, its the Pogba situation now. Proably as little as 4 weeks ago, around the time we beat Stoke, Pogba was getting the plaudits left, right and centre. He was our best player, we couldn't cope without him. The stats were being rolled out about how we hadnt lost with him in the team etc etc. A couple of bad games, a bit of poor form, and now he's a flop who wants to leave.
Rest him this weekend, let him loose on Chelsea, and he will be the best player in the world again.
Rest him this weekend, let him loose on Chelsea, and he will be the best player in the world again.
Since I've been watching Manchester United, I have seen these players play in a midfield two, Butt, Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs(not even a CM), O'Shea(not a CM), Fortune(not a CM) Kleberson, Miller(RIP), P.Neville and many more I can't remember but somehow, a pure talented midfielder can't play in midfield two and yet some fans excuse him.
That's back when most teams played a two in midfield. That's why Sir Alex switched to using a midfield three in his later years in Europe and found success again
So one poor game and everything is forgotten? Players have off days, it's noting new.
We haven't established anything, 2015-16 season both Pirlo and Vidal left and he had arguably his best season. This 'he need vidal and Pirlo' is blown out of proportion.
In 2014-15 season Pirlo played just 20 league games. So it's not like he made Pogba to play at his best.
Also you can't play one kind of game, change for 1 game and expect good results. They barely played together, if that's the way we go then after changing to 4-3-3 against West Ham and Swansea we scored 6 goals in 40 odd mins when Fellaini came on as third midfield and Pogba bombed forward very often.
Also this "we will compromise our attack if we take out one attacker" is just a non starter for any argument. You don't attack with only attacking players. All the teams who scores shit loads of goals play 4-3-3. Napoli, Liverpool, Barca, Madrid. It's all about balance and having good platform to attack rather than just throwing attackers for the sake of it and playing such a disjointed game.
Well there you go. We do have some evidence that a three involving Fellaini might work. Turns out he's been injured all season. So that's not gonna happen, is it?
For me it's like taking Victor Moses who was great at right wing back and trying him at right back. He will be effective against weaker opponents but will get found out against the stronger opponents. Pogba has played in three for such a long time that playing in a two is a whole new position for him
So why are even bothered to pay Herrera any wages? So player who won our player of the year shouldn't play at all because he was poor in some games? Why didn't Jose sign one more midfielder if he didn't rate Herrera?
This was the same player who won man of the match awards against big teams and arguably our best player in most big games last season. For anything or any player to work, time and patience is needed. We can't play 3 midfielders one game and just chuck it out for next saying it didn't work.
If Mourinho's refusing to change formation to accomodate Jesse Lingard he should be sacked on the spot.
There are more important things than cramming in attacking players and thinking that will bring goals. It demonstrably doesn't work and going back to it time and again has seen the same patterns emerge in every game. Even going back to Fergie and LVG the 4-3-3 system has always been a better bet in big games. We just can't get a foothold with two in CM against better players. Definition of insanity and all that...
Pogba is our best outfield player. He has been our best outfield player this season. We're doing him and the team a disservice by playing to his weaknesses in big games - This renders the attacking talent that we have ineffective because they're not getting any service while the opposition controls the game. Whether it's Herrera, Fellaini, McTominay or Darmian ffs - There needs to be another body in there to cover for Pogba - Let him link with the attacking players which is what he's brilliant at.
If we go to Sevilla and play a 4-2-3-1 I'll bet anything with anyone we lose the game.
Such a poor post I wouldn't know where to begin.
When it comes to Pogbs you shouldn't even begin. These posts from before October 2017
It's like Pogba did something to him, not sure what though.
With Madrid keen and a possible 120million fee. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes.
Jose is stubborn and is no stranger to letting "star" players leave.
I think it would be interesting to try the 3 man midfield, I do think Pogba would play better there with less positional discipline required.
I also think if Jose insists on using him in a midfield 2, some games he may play well in bits, other games he'll go wandering and cost us.
Whats more worrying for me above anything is Pogba's lack of understanding of what the manager is asking him to do. He can play in a 2 - he;s done it before, but he has drifted and not worked hard enough lately. He's not doing the simple things
Jose is stubborn and is no stranger to letting "star" players leave.
I think it would be interesting to try the 3 man midfield, I do think Pogba would play better there with less positional discipline required.
I also think if Jose insists on using him in a midfield 2, some games he may play well in bits, other games he'll go wandering and cost us.
Whats more worrying for me above anything is Pogba's lack of understanding of what the manager is asking him to do. He can play in a 2 - he;s done it before, but he has drifted and not worked hard enough lately. He's not doing the simple things
No smoke without fire mate, I've seen articles saying he regret coming back to Man United and wants Madrid to rescue him. This is just exactly like when Rooney thinks he knows what's best for the team instead of him to shut up and do his job.
To be fair I don't mind his other posts apart from the Barkley comments, but his recent post is a car crash of epic proportions. Worst thing is it is not too far off the opinion of many on here which is a sad state of affairs.
Wow... My eyes got hurt halfway through.
Didn't many players rubbished so many stories on twitter? There is always clickbait articles, always.
Well he has time to post his hair on Valentine's day, he could easily end all the rubbish in one tweet. I wonder why he's not doing that.
Again you are assuming every clickbait article gets some sort of reaction from players.
It's like expecting Bayern to comment on every transfer story as they rubbished Lewandowski story, same with ManUtd when they rubbished Rooney transfer story few years ago.
Most of them are journalists opinion and take on it, barely anyone cares.
There might be some truth in it or it's a complete rubbish story, at least for now no one knows. If Jose or Pogba talks about it or their agents then it makes some sense.
Raiola has said he's baffled about the reports.
What a stupid post. Hererra has played plenty of times this season, because of Pogba's lengthy injury and subsequent ban. He's featured in 19 league games ffs. The stage was set for him to kick on from last season and make himself a first team regular. The fact he didn't (and you'd have to be fecking blind to think he did) has obviously been an issue for us this season but it sure as shit wasn't predictable. Everyone expected him to be great this season but he's been anything but. And that's a huge problem for the manager. All the more so when combined with Fellaini and Carrick being out more or less all season.
I'm baffled that he said that
And expected to play Pogba role which he failed miserably when he is limited player who did very good job when asked to play that role. Now that Pogba is back (who plays the creative role) still Herrera shouldn't play because he failed to create or make impact like Pogba did.
Herrera played when Pogba missed, so midfield was horribly poor when he played alongside Matic which wasn't surprising as both weren't creative or play the passes that Pogba can.
And then you call my post stupid when you are missing so many things or take 1 game to draw larger conclusion or just ignore how Pogba played well even when Pirlo and Vidal were sold.
Btw, after Pogba came back from injury and bans, only game they started together (in midfield 3) was against Everton away and Pogba played one of his best games for ManUtd. after that they didn't start any game together.
Also it's not like Fellaini started games when he was fit, he started 3 games (out of 12 when he was in the squad) and all were when Pogba was injured.
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