Does he have a weird bonus in place whereby he earns more money for the more people that surround him when he has the ball?
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That was glorious.
My mate who's a Leeds fan sent me a message after it happened that simply said "That turn by Pogba was life changing"
Hard to argue.
Thanks!
Yeah, absolutely filthy
Pogba may still have a few little holes in his game but he's 1 of the best in the world at those little moments. So many times through a game he does things that not many others can.The way he took the game to them in the last 15-20 minutes was the reason we paid so much money for him. A top class player bending a game to his will when there's medals to play for. He's had better overall performances this season but yesterday was the first time I started to see him as the superstar we're all hoping he'll become.
can you be both? I would've thought that not being able to do it in the crunch games is what stops people like Ozil being absolutely superb players.....
Well it's down to each person. I don't think one necessarily relates to the other. For example last season I maintained Hazard was a superb player as he obviously is. And I would say Alexis Sanchez is a fantastic footballer, despite him only scoring once against a top 6 team this season IIRC.
Not really a fan or contextless stats (touches?!). Thought I'd look at some though this time. Whoscored says he had 4 successful dribbles, and was dispossessed 3 times, so about half the instances he held the ball for a length of time, he was disposessed. Just for context, that's second only to Martial for number of times he was dispossessed.
So he succesfully completed more dribbles and was dispossessed less often than arguably the best dribbler in our squad. Seems harsh to criticise on that basis.
Total number of touches are relevant because they show how often he was on the ball (a lot). A player can be dispossessed without attempting a dribble.
Probably because they're the only ones who will pick the ball up and run at players.
Don't think I'm being controversial in saying that Martial's dribbles, going at the defence, are more risky than Pogba's in the middle of the park, so he's more likely to lose the ball.
I'm not actually saying he's a poor dribbler either, he's a good one, he could be an excellent one if he offloaded the ball at the right time more often.
Missing for large parts of the game, 89m right there and he still isn't our best midfielder let alone our best player.
Yeah like I say, not against him dribbling at all. Looks great when he manages to shrug people off, but hate seeing him needlessly overplaying and risking possession. The infuriating thing is, so easy for him to rectify.
What I don't think some people realise is that he creates these moments like the video above but our team just isn't good enough to attack. Imagine if he did that turn and we had a younger Rooney or ronaldo. We would test the keeper for sure.
But in our team, and especially today, everyone dallied on the ball and slowed things way down so it lessens the impact
But in our team, and especially today, everyone dallied on the ball and slowed things way down so it lessens the impact
Umm, who is our better midfielder? Herrera and Carrick have been playing well. But Pogba is the most important of all of them. Take Herrera or Carrick out, and we can still field a good midfield pair including Pogba that can dominate most midfields and create chances. But if Pogba is taken away, we are back into the familiar territory of last three years - no midfield control, prone to opposition pressing and lack of chances created from the midfield. Pogba is easily our best midfielder!
To be fair, the £89 million is more a "leap of faith" than he "is an £89 million player." we are hoping that he becomes a top player and remains at that level for years. Then the money will be a bargain
I thought he had a decent game. Not amazing but not bad either. Meanwhile Mourinho thought he was great, and all the pundits thought he was shit.
Someone is wrong.
Someone is wrong.
Bore off, we'd be back in the non creative days if you took him out the team.
He's great going forward, but I don't understand why he's so poor defending corners / freekicks. Him heading fresh air at corners will give me a heart attack.
Herrera has 8/9 assists to his name so far, to be fair.
Pogba all competitions 3193 mins 7 goals (one pen) 5 assists. Goal/assist every 266 mins. Non-penalty goals/assists every 290 mins
Lingard all competitions (not including Charity Shield) 1112 mins 3 goals 3 assists. Goal/assist every 185 mins
Herrera all competitions (not including Charity Shield) 2829 mins 1 goal 8 assists. Goal/assist every 314 mins
I tempted to say that United could improve significantly by changing nothing, simply hoping/expecting Pogba to be more productive in the final third.
One of my main criticisms of the Moyes/LVG/Mourinho era is that we have gone through so many players, changes of system, rarely giving anyone the chance to learn a new skill over a reasonable length of time.
Lingard all competitions (not including Charity Shield) 1112 mins 3 goals 3 assists. Goal/assist every 185 mins
Herrera all competitions (not including Charity Shield) 2829 mins 1 goal 8 assists. Goal/assist every 314 mins
I tempted to say that United could improve significantly by changing nothing, simply hoping/expecting Pogba to be more productive in the final third.
One of my main criticisms of the Moyes/LVG/Mourinho era is that we have gone through so many players, changes of system, rarely giving anyone the chance to learn a new skill over a reasonable length of time.
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No exactly his fault if every time he plays players through on goal, they either sky it or shoot straight at the keeper. This is clearly a case where stats don't tell the complete truth. And the number of times he hit post...
His transfer fee is a millstone around his neck, hopefully he'll no longer be the most expensive player next season, though I'm sure he'll be judged against the transfer fee for years to come. Personally I've been happy with his performances this season but he should be scoring more.
Not bad for the more defensive/combative/enforcer guy. I still have hopes of him playing a more adventurous role. He isn't really a dictator, as I feel he does better when he doesn't have too much time to think
Chances created per 90 mins in the PL:
Lingard 2.74
Mkhitaryan 2.64
Pogba 1.92
Martial 1.60
Herrera 1.43
Chances created per 90 mins in the EL:
Pogba 2.10
Lingard 1.69
Mkhitaryan 1.64
Martial 0.79
Herrera 0.50
Lingard 2.74
Mkhitaryan 2.64
Pogba 1.92
Martial 1.60
Herrera 1.43
Chances created per 90 mins in the EL:
Pogba 2.10
Lingard 1.69
Mkhitaryan 1.64
Martial 0.79
Herrera 0.50
I dare you to throw those stats in the Lingard performace thread. Then step back and watch the fireworks.
Pogba could have easily been at least on twice as much goals and assists and that would have shut some people up.
I agree that he should have scored more and composure and luck are to blame there but to say he doesn't create is unfair to say the least. He probably has at least 10 more chances created than any other central midfielder in the league (not CAM).
I agree that he should have scored more and composure and luck are to blame there but to say he doesn't create is unfair to say the least. He probably has at least 10 more chances created than any other central midfielder in the league (not CAM).
I know the response: stats don't matter. I watched the games and I think Lingard is crap.
I seem to be among very few who thought that he was majestic yesterday. Doesn't need to score or assist to do his job brilliantly. At times in the last 20-25 mins, we look exhausted. He was the only one who looked like he would run another 90 mins if that is required to win the game! He broke up many Soton attacks, held the ball, made quite a few key passes to release pressure. I thought it was a good midfield performance considering that the opposition midfield was playing out of its skin and having one of their best games ever!
Simply keeps the ball too long. Needs to release it quicker. Apart from that I can't really find anything else to criticise him about.
Simply keeps the ball too long. Needs to release it quicker. Apart from that I can't really find anything else to criticise him about.
Thought Pogba was one of our better players yesterday, though that isn't saying much compared to the majority of them. Thought he was very good on the ball and looked to get us going forwards. That Cruyff turn was sensational especially and he did work hard throughout the game.
Defensively he was poor though (mind you, so were the rest). He sometimes doesn't read the game quick enough or he has lapses in concentration. That moment where he was hovering around Tadic and let him have a free shot at our goal was bizarre.
Defensively he was poor though (mind you, so were the rest). He sometimes doesn't read the game quick enough or he has lapses in concentration. That moment where he was hovering around Tadic and let him have a free shot at our goal was bizarre.
He's streets ahead of the rest of our midfield, Herrera is having a good season but people see lots of energy and immediately think "he's brilliant", not even a contest, ridiculous post.
Yeah, this is what bothers me... and I know it shouldn't.
I know it's unfair to burden him with that daft price tag, but I just can't help it, it's the pragmatic notion that a player you pay 90m for should be the best player in your fecking team!
I like him, I think he's good, and I think he's a likeable lad who really genuinely wants to be here and make Man Utd a success again. But, I think people are wanting to see greatness in what he's doing so they're just projecting it onto him, when deep down, if they're honest, they know he's been somewhat of a disappointment, thus far.
I mean, can you imagine us with that Gueye fella from Everton, or Kante in a mid 3 with Carrick and Herrera...? We'd be better than we are now!
In fact, I think it's possible that we'd be challenging the Premier League title right now.
And it does bother me that people are saying how we need a top DM to get the best of Pogba, when actually, if we had a top DM instead of Pogba, we'd actually be better (or at least I believe so).
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