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'Poor game' by a 'great' player doesn't cut it for me. it was an absolute shambles of a performance and Pogba should be embarrassed by how mediocre he was. At the same time, it is a great opportunity for him and Jose to look at his game and what needs to be done for him to step up a level as a player, because right now he is a world away from the Pogba we need him to become.

@noodlehair good post which pointed out his key deficiencies. Now someone mentioned Modric being a ready made top player, not true. Modric was 27/28 when he went to Madrid after learning alot from Spurs (playing out on the left before being trusted centrally), even the likes of Xavi took a long time to mature into proper midfielders of the highest order.. Pogba is 23, so he has time on his hands and with the physical fitness he has, he should age pretty damn well.. so the rush to turn him into a top player right now, is not necessary but nor should he think he has made it and it is just a case of a bad day at the office.

Flaws he has are as follows..

1) He doesn't know how to make the best out of the physique he has and how to negate its short-comings

  • Over-confidence in his strength and holds onto the ball longer than he should and gets bullied off the ball by quicker more aggressive players. He should use his strength in small bursts, protect the ball and release it when he realises he's on the verge of being caught on it.. I also think he needs to put more muscle on personally.
  • Because he is so tall and gangly, it is hard for him to be elusive and quick-footed on the ball when being pressed quickly.. now he has good feet for a big man, but regardless of how skilful he becomes, he is never going to be Iniesta.. therefore he needs to pick and choose his moments to take on the press and beat a man, keep opponents guessing. If you try and take them on all the time, they will clock on and being as gangly as he is, they will easily pick him out and target him
2) His dribbling isn't as good as he thinks it is under pressure

  • Now Pogba has fantastic skills in his locker, and he can carry the ball well.. but we only see this properly in the smaller games where we need him to be creative. In the bigger games, his footwork is more suspect and is quite loose.. he doesn't keep the ball close enough to himself and he can be pretty clumsy when surrounded. Now he has great natural talent in this regard but he needs to tighten up his game and really focus on taking this to a world class level
3) Careless short passing

  • Messes up far too many simple short passes ala Wayne Rooney. a £90m midfielder should not be doing that and it is lack of concentration. Now the likes of Modric, Scholes etc they even when they were developing into midfielders would never lose the ball so carelessly, so he clearly isn't a natural 'keep-ball' sort of player and falls into the Gerrard category in this regard. He is 22 though and I think he really needs to instil some discipline into his passing and treat every pass with due care and attention.

4) Movement off the ball/relentless movement/endurance

  • For a guy who thinks of himself as an athletic specimen, he doesn't really impress me with his coverage on the pitch. He can get up and down the pitch okay but moving side to side, finding pockets of space.. compare it to Coutinho and he is very average in this regard. Like Carrick another tall man who lacks mobility, he makes himself very easy to pick up and tries to rely on his strength to bail him out in this regard. He thinks he is that gifted that the ball will find him even if he ambles around the pitch and he will change defence into attack easily. No Pogba, you need to work your arse off especially in the big games and constantly keep the opponent guessing as to when and where you are going to get on the ball.
5) Quick one-touch passing, using triangles, linking up with others

  • Doesn't do this enough which is a big shame because when he does use his brain and interchanges with the likes of Zlatan, it leads to some majestic football. He needs to bring this into his game more and rely less on his ball-carrying. It will make him harder to pick up, he'll contribute to us controlling big games more as it leads to greater possession and more chances will be created.
6) Defensive work in general

  • Again, another area in which due to him not mastering his own body and working on his endurance, it leaves him vulnerable. He can clearly protect a flank and track runners in patches but can you trust him to put in a world class defensive shift for 90 minutes.. no chance at the moment. He either thinks it is below him, or he lacks the positional awarenss to contribute effectively in a defensive sense. Again another area in which he is fortunate he has Mourinho as a manager because in the long term this will not be tolerated.

To summarise, big talent but not a great player, very far from it and only through hard work will he realise his potential. I have faith in him and he has a great manager looking out for him. I won't judge him in the here and now, it is aged 25 where he should start coming into his own.

I have to agree with everything you said here.

He doesn't have the agility or tenacity of Herrera and he doesn't have the composure or footballing brain of Carrick, he's caught somewhere in between. He is a jack of all trades and master of none. That's not to say he isn't good, he is a good well rounded player and is competent at most of the aspects of the game but he isn't great at any one of them just yet.
 
There's been no word from the FA about them looking into the choke slam has there?

The media aren't pushing for him to be banned over it which is a bonus as I thought he'd be made the scapegoat after the match and the pressure on the FA after the match officials missed it would lead to action being taken.

If the officials admit they completely missed it by leaving it out of the match report then the FA are free to investigate it if it's violent conduct, is that right anyone know? I thought we'd know by now if they were going to ban him so maybe they're not going to do anything.
 
Still sad and angry about Pogba's performance. He was utterly horrendous and cost us the game. Should be dropped for the next game, anyone else would be.

that's absolutely preposterous, but i seem to recall you're fairly notorious for wuming.

he wasn't good against liverpool, but you do not just drop a cornerstone of your team because he performed poorly in a match. pogba has been getting better and better for us this season and every indication is that he'll be worth the price tag.
 
He hasn't been consistently great. Yes he has been pretty good the last few weeks against poor to average opposition but he has been poor against the majority of the top teams. To say he has been consistently great is a massive overstatement. I was getting a little ahead of myself though and I don't think he should be dropped.

based on your own criteria nani wouldn't have appeared more than once a month considering how up and down he was.
 

I don't know why you even bother giving them the web traffic for an article which is clearly just utter dross.

It's clear that non-United critics of Pogba have not watched him regularly. If you watch him week in week out it is as clear as day how important he is to the strength of our midfield. Morons can't grasp a player being worth what a club will and needs to pay for him.
 
I don't see what dropping Pogba will achieve. He's 23 years old, still new to the Premier league believe it or not. He is not getting 'comfy' or 'content' with his surroundings. He is adapting like other newbies to the Prem. He is desperate to succeed and has the ability to do so. He needs as much playing time as possible to help him adjust.
 
I don't feel we should compare these two what so ever. Ronaldo came to us a relatively unknown teenager and Paul has come as the World's most expensive signing EVER, one of the best players in his position and the world. we should be judging them by a different standard. Also Ronaldo's 1st game vs Arsenal was good and in only his second season he bagged a brace at Highbury. he also had a great International tournament at aged just 19.

I do agree about Paul having to adjust to big games here as they are extra competitive

I'm comparing them mentally, emotionally and psychologically during their early years at United. That's it. The fact is, Ronaldo had to mature between the ears and control his emotion. Obviously natural for young players, but for anyone having to develop in a new country, league, etc. DDG had to do it, Pep is having to do it, etc. Same with Pogba, regardless of his age now, his transfer fee, etc. They both put immense pressure on themselves to begin with and tried to out do themselves, which caused them to be even more ineffective.
 
His play is still immature (trying ridiculous tricks and backheels in midfield when surrounded by many players) and hopefully he will grow a bit.

He needs to realize that biggest stars in the world have only 4-5 moments of genius in tight matches. The rest of the game they are just doing simple things with high efficiency. He has to pick his moments to impose himself on these types of games. His brilliance will shine when he actually stops trying to cause it.

I agree completely
 
We're trying to turn a Viera into a Zidane.

Pogba is somewhere in between the two but a weak imitation of both. Not saying Pogba is trying to copy either of them but if you were to put two players together to resemble Pogba's style it would be those two. If he can get anywhere near their quality he will be a great player.
 
We're trying to turn a Viera into a Zidane.

How?

And Pogba has never shown the defensive capabilities as a midfielder that players like Viera Keane and Davids had, nor the same cerebral approach to the game, knowing when to keep it simple at the same time able to surge forward and give a good pass if the opportunity arises, he's never been that type of player so the comparison apart from their characteristics in that their both ungainly tall French African players with great technical ability, doesn't make too much sense, their approach to the game is different. Neither are those players as dominant as Pogba in the attacking phases of the game, Keane comes the closest in his Forest days but still i think Pogba's potential as attacking players far out weights some of the great players i named. He's not Zidane or Viera but combines elements of both, very hard to think of a player comparison really that matches him stylistically but thats an indication also to why he's so unique and potentially special.
 
How?
He's not Zidane or Viera but combines elements of both, very hard to think of a player comparison really that matches him stylistically but thats an indication also to why he's so unique and potentially special.
The French midfielder he's actually most similar to is probably Abou Diaby
 
Can't wait till he's the dog's bollox again. He had a poor game, get over it.
 
The French midfielder he's actually most similar to is probably Abou Diaby

:lol:

Not a bad shout stylistically at least, only that he's a much better passer, better technique and has a good bit more flair, Diaby could have been quite a player though if not for his injuries.
 
I'm a huge fan of Pogba but he pissed me off against Liverpool. I hope he will learn from this.
 
I would like to see him develop into a hybrid box-to-box/playmaker like Schweinsteiger in his prime.

Next season if we get Griezmann, Pogba will have to learn playing more disciplined and not as adventurous, as we probably will play a 4-2-3-1 formation with him and a new DM in the 2.

I don't think it necessarily have to be a waste of his talents playing him in that position. He will learn to be a more complete player, but it will take time as he always had that freedom to join the attack at Juventus.

I'm not sure if it's the right way to do it (i have been against it myself), but i have a feeling it could work out, he has the talent to adapt.
 


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...x-Song-voted-worst-signings-season-Spain.html

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Pogba is younger and has 100 times more pressure than Modric ever had.

Yeah i remember him having an indifferent start, although i also remember Mourinho trying to play him as a number 10 at times which he obviously wasn't.

Also i'm talking about the Modric of now, in regards to him being a ready made article, and one of a handful of world class cms, which Pogba doesn't include, maybe Kroos and Veratti imo other than Modric, no one else really.
 
Pogba is head and shoulders above Viera from a technical point of view. Also a different kind of player. If you want to make a comparison, Yaya Toure would be the closest thing
 
Pogba is head and shoulders above Viera from a technical point of view. Also a different kind of player. If you want to make a comparison, Yaya Toure would be the closest thing

You are underrating Viera there I think but I do agree with the Yaya Toure comparison - I think he is a very similar player.
 
I don't really see the ressemblance in terms play with Yaya. Toure played early in his career as a 10 and then he became a DM for Barca. His best asset is running with the ball and creating havoc with his strength and shooting. Pogba is a different type of player.
 
I wish he was Patrick Vieira.

I agree with the Abou Diaby shout actually. Pogba is better than him, but they do have a similar style of play.
 
Every player has bad games sometimes. I just think he was very aware of the importance of the Liverpool fixtures to fans and was "trying too hard". Got over excited.
 
I don't really see the ressemblance in terms play with Yaya. Toure played early in his career as a 10 and then he became a DM for Barca. His best asset is running with the ball and creating havoc with his strength and shooting. Pogba is a different type of player.
Those sound like things that Pogba is just as good at too...
 
Convinced this lad will have a break through season like Ronaldo 06/07 for us, and he'll never look back from it.

The way I see it we still have an acclimatizing Pog, another year and a WC player or two more to complement him and we'll see the beast unleash.
 
No big tournament in the summer and a proper pre-season should help iron out a few of the difficulties.

But the triple salko in the middle park - ball hog, invite player(s) in, and pirouette out of trouble needs to go next season.

Somtimes its worked but against the top teams, it generally hasn't. The best opposition players will keep preying on this side of his game if he doesn't eliminate it.
 
There seems to be a lot of comparing him to other players going on. I haven't seen a player similar to him tbh. A centre midfielder with a great physique, great touch, passing, shooting, acrobatic, strength, very smart. It's easier to list the attributes he falls short on - maybe his inability to use his weaker left foot as well as Zidane for instance.

I think he's most comparable to Zidane to be perfectly honest and they are 2 very different footballers, but I do see similarities in the way he throws his body round but that's probably it, when I actually think of it lol.

Come to think of it, the very best players are incomparable actually.
 
I don't really see the ressemblance in terms play with Yaya. Toure played early in his career as a 10 and then he became a DM for Barca. His best asset is running with the ball and creating havoc with his strength and shooting. Pogba is a different type of player.

Yet Pogba dribbles constantly, uses is strenghth excessively, including times when it's unnecessary and is constantly taking long shots......
 
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