I agree with this totally. He is a major talent. But there's nothing wrong in expecting more in terms of the basic stuff. Looking forward to the weekend.
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I agree with this totally. He is a major talent. But there's nothing wrong in expecting more in terms of the basic stuff. Looking forward to the weekend.
That's fine. But people will get a bit annoyed if someone calls him immature in a match where he just played quite well and won us the match. Looking forward to the weekend as well. Also there clearly isn't much fawning considering he is rated at 6.1 in Caf.
Hes not the best midfielder in the country based on this season, a few have been better but obviously based on previous seasons and his potential he has the scope to be up there with the best in the world, was always going to come good too much talent not to, and i believe the same in regards to Martial and Shaw.
People say that he doesn't take enough games by the scruff of the neck, But safe to say he did last night. He is the kind of player that will give frustrating moments because he plays so freely, But by the same token this allows him to create the moments of magic we seen last night to. Brilliant to have him as a United player again.
I think the Xavi/Iniesta era has confused people to thinking that a midfielder should only play one way, certainly since their ascension to greats people have been far more pre occupied with passing poseesion stats and what not, but football doesn't work like that, and Pogba doesn't ever need to be a pass master like Scholes or Xavi to be up there with them, he can misplace passes, try things that are befitting of his creativity and still be a top player, theres other ways to influence games, and Iniesta and Xavis style was very much due to their footballing culture, Pogba has had a different one, but if he keeps affecting the game in his own way, by scoring assisting making magical moments, then he will be a top player regardless of his passing percentage stats and his ability to 'control the game' he can't be every player in one, he will have his strong and weak points just like Xavi and co had theirs.
Played very well even if he had some mistakes.
He always tries to create something special and I really like this attitude - even if he fails at times and gives the ball away (easily). We need this type of player as well as we need a Herrera/Carrick to collect the balls and get the back of the likes of Pogba, Mkhi & Co.!
He is already doing really well and will only get better - still buzzed that he's ours.
He always tries to create something special and I really like this attitude - even if he fails at times and gives the ball away (easily). We need this type of player as well as we need a Herrera/Carrick to collect the balls and get the back of the likes of Pogba, Mkhi & Co.!
He is already doing really well and will only get better - still buzzed that he's ours.
None of this is wrong, but I'm not sure it's so much about possession stats. I just think what separates the truly great players is decision making. Particularly, as a midfielder, playing the right pass at the right time. He has a way to go with that yet. But clearly United are better off with him than without him.
and the combined football pundit and media industryStill, Who am I to let facts get in the way of fanboy-ism?
Im as delighted as the next United fan that he had a good game last night, but the over reaction from last night is quite something. I'll wait til he delivers 5 consecutive performances and a MoM in a cup semi final before I'll claim he is the real deal.
That's a ludicrously specific set of goals you're setting him. I shared your opinion about his poor form being a big problem in our opening run of games but if you haven't noticed the fact that last night was the culmination of steady improvement and he's been delivering for several weeks now, then I'll have to assume your bias is clouding your judgement.
and the combined football pundit and media industry
Im as delighted as the next United fan that he had a good game last night, but the over reaction from last night is quite something. I'll wait til he delivers 5 consecutive performances and a MoM in a cup semi final before I'll claim he is the real deal.
But you couldn't wait to start a thread when he played just 7 games and he was MOTM or close to that in 2-3 games in those 7 games. That too after stoke game, game he played so well but got lot to abuse for not scoring or assisting.
Yeah media and pundits, people who write off players before the ball is kicked.
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Palace simply had no answer to him today.
You're doing criticism wrong.
8 goals/assists in 22 games in a side that struggled for the majority of the first half of the season and played poorly.
Think he'll end the season with about 20 goals/assists, which is a very good number for a midfielder.
Think he'll end the season with about 20 goals/assists, which is a very good number for a midfielder.
Exactly, you aren't going to find a player who is as creative as someone like Pogba who also has the same sort of ball retention stats or ability to keep the ball as players like Carrick or Busquets.
It's why he plays so well with Herrera and Carrick in the side, these type of players give him license to be creative and take risks. Pogba created more chances than anyone on the pitch yet again last night, someone with his skill set is pivotal in making as a force offensively.
Please take your bias elsewhere, clutching at straws.
Make your mind up.
You know when you're tripping over your own point in the same post to try and push your viewpoint it's time to take a step back.
There's not even much point looking at his assists stats at this point because during Ibra's dodgy spell he should have put away so many beautiful Pogba passes. That finish he produced yesterday was totally absent for a couple of months, he just kept knocking it straight at the keeper in those positions (and better ones, to be honest.) If Ibra had been in the form he is now throughout, I honestly think Pogba would be up around the top of the assists table.
Yup. Also, only yesterday, he laid one on a plate for Rooney through a glorious chip, which Rooney missed.
He's creating chances every match.
One player? There were 2 or 3 Palace players surrounding Paul every time in the beginning of the second half.
Well Palace did press a bit more aggressively in the second half, but what I saw was him finding more time and space than he did against Everton where Gueye was specifically instructed to do a job on him.
I remember in the beginning of the second half there were 3 players marking him, it was even noticed by the Russian commentators on my stream.
I agree that Gueye did a better job against him. I think he will be always man-marked irrespective of the opposition If he continues on this form.
Pogba is a outstanding player, still to reach his peak and has vision that has created great goals for us and will continue to do so. But he can not carry us alone and neither can Zlatan, we have to get more out of the wide players and then Pogba will have more options and less pressure on him.
This season, I've been impressed as well as disappointed with Pogba, overall I've felt he's done well enough for a new player settling in. A couple of brilliant matches, a couple of very bad ones. Yesterday I thought he had mostly a very bad game, made to look better by a couple of very good moments: his chip to Rooney and weighted through ball to Zlatan. I'm surprised to find quite a few United fans seeing it otherwise (not the journos, they only ever notice the highlights).
He made mistakes that put us at risk. In a tight game where we needed quick, precise passing to keep the ball and open them up, he was cumbersome and misplaced a lot of passes, often ignoring the pass out wide that was hour most efficient tool most of the game. He won most duels in midfield, but let MacArthur slip.
All of this can be forgiven in a player like Cantona. He had a few stinkers in his time redeemed by a goal made up out of nothing that noone else could have conjured up. Pogba is that kind of player, but yesterday was not one of those nights in my view. Shots and break through passes were off, he went offside to score from four yards once - in that, Mata outdid him as he was probably onside. The chip for rooney was technically brilliant, but opportunistic as it was to a man with back to the wall in a tight space. Many can chip, the difficulty is chipping someone into a good opportunity. To me, Carrick, Blind, Rojo and Bailley created us better chances last night, in addition to play, overall, quite well.
It leaves the through ball, which was exquisite, made better by surviving the physical squirmish that lead to him having a lot of time and space on the ball. It was a good pass, on par with what Carrick, Mata, Herrera, Rooney (yes!) and Mikhi will do fairly regularly. The chance was still less clear cut than maybe ten that comes easily to mind the past few months: the angle, the closeness to the keeper. Not too many outside Zlatan would have actually scored there. A Cantona moment it certainly wasn't.
Some players will be the one who turns out stuff like that time and time again, though, like (again) Cantona with his last minutes tap ins. Hopefully Pogba will develop that mentality. I know he can play alot better than last nigh, though, because he has several times this season.
He made mistakes that put us at risk. In a tight game where we needed quick, precise passing to keep the ball and open them up, he was cumbersome and misplaced a lot of passes, often ignoring the pass out wide that was hour most efficient tool most of the game. He won most duels in midfield, but let MacArthur slip.
All of this can be forgiven in a player like Cantona. He had a few stinkers in his time redeemed by a goal made up out of nothing that noone else could have conjured up. Pogba is that kind of player, but yesterday was not one of those nights in my view. Shots and break through passes were off, he went offside to score from four yards once - in that, Mata outdid him as he was probably onside. The chip for rooney was technically brilliant, but opportunistic as it was to a man with back to the wall in a tight space. Many can chip, the difficulty is chipping someone into a good opportunity. To me, Carrick, Blind, Rojo and Bailley created us better chances last night, in addition to play, overall, quite well.
It leaves the through ball, which was exquisite, made better by surviving the physical squirmish that lead to him having a lot of time and space on the ball. It was a good pass, on par with what Carrick, Mata, Herrera, Rooney (yes!) and Mikhi will do fairly regularly. The chance was still less clear cut than maybe ten that comes easily to mind the past few months: the angle, the closeness to the keeper. Not too many outside Zlatan would have actually scored there. A Cantona moment it certainly wasn't.
Some players will be the one who turns out stuff like that time and time again, though, like (again) Cantona with his last minutes tap ins. Hopefully Pogba will develop that mentality. I know he can play alot better than last nigh, though, because he has several times this season.
@PeteManic Hey Pete you've missed an A out of your username. I am sure the mods will help you out with that.
He wasn't a part of the attacking 3?
Forget about an assist, Ibra did the hard work... assist isnt inportant.. 
The stuff you read here..
The stuff you read here..
You can also compare Pogba with Costa, Hazard and Luiz while we're at it.
Although stats aren’t everything, these kind of back up the argument (of most of us) that he had a pretty good game. Oh and @PeteManic - These aren’t from tweets, these are stats. Like the stats you used to back your ”argument”. Happy?
I read this a couple times and I'm not fully sure on what you're tryna say. Are you saying the chip to Rooney wasn't "chipping someone into a good opportunity"?
And the other part reads as "the chance he created for zlatan was a clear cut chance but less clear cut than others" like
I hope my reading comprehension has abandoned me because I hope we are not criticising players on creating clear cut chances that are less clear cut chances created by others. I mean I'm not even sure on what a clear cut chance that isn't so clear cut is, but ok. Pogba might have to start dribbling past 8 outfield players plus the goalkeeper and then play the through ball so our strikers and other players outside of zlatan's skill level can score with minimum effort. I mean...what
We had plenty of passing yesterday but we can't get past their defence because all our attacking players are so immobile. Pogba was the only who had the talent to unlock their defence, and he did it several times. Our football against Palace was throwback to the LVG days, the difference this time was that we had Ibra and Pogba in the team. Of course he's going to lose the ball many times compared to the other outfield players when he's the one trying all the difficult passes. That pass to Rooney was perfect I don't think anyone could have played it better, Rooney cleared fluffed the shot, it was very poor finish, very soft and went to the near post when he was so close to goal.
After last year's high possession toothless insipid zombie football who gives a feck if he misplaces a few passes but creates as much as he did and in such penetrating fashion. Some of you deserve LVG.
I'm not sure what those of you saying Pogba had game were watching yesterday. He was easily the best player on the park.
The stats prove Carrick has been vital for quite a while. Jose should have known this. Martial and Mkhi weren't given enough games to be in form. Rashford has been used fairly i think
Can someone explain to me what 'He has to learn when to try his tricks and flicks' means?
I don't think I've seen him give the ball away in a dangerous position as of yet?
In the position he plays he always has an outball or a pass back to Carrick / Herrera / left back so should he never try to express himself? When is the best time?
I've never seen a post describing it as the perfect time for a bit of skill when he has given it away. It seems everytime he gives it away that becomes the time not to try it, but when it works out, that becomes the time to try it.
It makes no sense to me.
I don't think I've seen him give the ball away in a dangerous position as of yet?
In the position he plays he always has an outball or a pass back to Carrick / Herrera / left back so should he never try to express himself? When is the best time?
I've never seen a post describing it as the perfect time for a bit of skill when he has given it away. It seems everytime he gives it away that becomes the time not to try it, but when it works out, that becomes the time to try it.
It makes no sense to me.
Haha, with Jose at the helm, that could very well happen. The reason for getting the 10th yellow card might be something as innocuous as time wastingYup. I was thinking about this yesterday. We will mostly be playing 2 cup games in succession towards end of Jan. 2nd leg of league cup semi vs Hull and FA cup 4th round. Hope he picks his 10th vs Stoke away on 21st Jan
Yeah, that seems a pretty appropriate comparison. In fairness he is playing with some poor players at times this season.
Just wish Jose would have a chat with Zlatan about letting the Pog take our FK's, I reckon he is a better FK taker than Zlatan.
Yeah Zlatan has scored great free kicks but he's not a great free kick taker.
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