Wouldnt want to see him leave without a buttner replacement
Patrice Evra | 2013/14 Performances
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If that is correct then I assume that we'll get Vidal - no way should they be allowed to sign Evra if we can't get our man.
Hard to pick Shaw in front of Evra on this form! Great we have two outstanding left backs for the first time since Heinze and Evra.
He'll probably get some rest this summer after the tournament. Perfect time to test the new signing but Pat so far looks like he doesn't see a room for Shaw.
I wouldn't say he's been 'outstanding'. Actually quite suspect at times.
If Evra wanted to go I'd let him. If he didn't want to go, Shaw + Evra is a good situation so leave it like that.
If Kolasinac of Bosnia is to be beleived, he has an offer from United that he'll be deciding over right about now. So perhaps he'd be Evra's replacement as competition for Shaw
If Kolasinac of Bosnia is to be beleived, he has an offer from United that he'll be deciding over right about now. So perhaps he'd be Evra's replacement as competition for Shaw
For a million euros? 
If true, you'd hope that we have bargained for first option on Vidal/Pogba.
I really hope he stays. One of my favourite players over the last Five year or so.
For a million euros?
The idea we'd bother signing him up for the extra year, only to then sell for a million, having already sold Buttner is quite odd.
But then so is the idea that letting Juventus have a 33year old left back would somehow influence them in letting Vidal or Pogba come to us is even more so!
He's worth far more than £800k to us. His influence in the dressing room is invaluable, unless he specifically wants to leave he should stay.
I hope this isn't true, it doesn't make sense to sell him. He's still good for one more year and is good back up and is a valuable experienced player to have in the squad.
We can't trust Hererra with the jukebox. Please stay Patrice.
also think about long term, how many young players get a big money move to a big club, get heavily rotated in thier season, and it knocks thier confidence to such an extent their careers never recover.....
if we want shaw to succeed we have to play him, if he goes through a rough patch take him out for a few games, like we did with de gea, but 90% of preimer league games next season shaw should be starting!
I'd say sell him. And go out and get another youngster to be Shaw's understudy, or, promote someone from the U21s.
He needs to stay for the simple fact that we don't really have an experienced leader anymore.. We lost that in Vidic/Rio.
Juve offered €2.5m but we're wanting €4m apparently.
Smile and say 'what's a couple of million between friends, you can have him for free' and then offer 30 million for Vidal and hope we've guilt tripped them into it.
It'd seem very odd for Evra to sign an extension and then want out, unless it was a gentleman's agreement so we could get a transfer fee.
Didn't we have an option of a one year extension, so he had no say really?
Either way I'm sad to see him leave if he does go, great personality to have around in the dressing room and he did love the club. But if he is not in our first team plans and he wants first team football, I can't begrudge him a move and neither should the club.
Me thinks Evra maybe signed it expecting to be first choice and the arrival of Shaw changed that.
I was under the impression that the option was on Evra's side, should he meet x number of games last season.
I think he will sign for juve
At United he could be only a back up, but he is too expansive as wage
It's right to let him go, after vidic, rio, this is the natural development for him as well
At United he could be only a back up, but he is too expansive as wage
It's right to let him go, after vidic, rio, this is the natural development for him as well
Hes turned into a defender that is better and more comfortable going forward and in the oppositions left flank,defensively he has declined to the extent id sell him especially now Shaws in the squad.
Sounds harsh given the levels of integrity hes shown and massive respect he has among us,but dear jaysus hes some liability,maybe as a wing back he could get a few games.
The lethargy he has shown getting back to track and cover last season,and in this world cup arent up to the level required in my book,nevermind this new ball watching ability hes developed over the last 3 years.
Will go down a legend in my book if he does leave and id wish him all the best,bt I very much expect to see Shaw cement a spot in the first team,so if paddy still expects a starting spot id suggest looking for another club.
Sounds harsh given the levels of integrity hes shown and massive respect he has among us,but dear jaysus hes some liability,maybe as a wing back he could get a few games.
The lethargy he has shown getting back to track and cover last season,and in this world cup arent up to the level required in my book,nevermind this new ball watching ability hes developed over the last 3 years.
Will go down a legend in my book if he does leave and id wish him all the best,bt I very much expect to see Shaw cement a spot in the first team,so if paddy still expects a starting spot id suggest looking for another club.
Evra, Buttner out
Shaw, Vermaelen in
Shaw, Vermaelen in
Would be sad to see him leave but starting to look inevitable, what a great player he has been for us. Confirms for me that we must be in for vermalen, presume he will be used as shows back up as well as a cb.
All good points, but I still think he's a more than adept back-up option for Shaw and selling him would mean more unnecessary transfer business to attend to. Plus, his position at the club cannot just be limited to how he performs on the pitch. He is an invaluable, senior squad member with both Rio and Vidic leaving and one of the few remaining leaders left in the squad. If he wants, he certainly has a role to play here still.
Id disagree with the invaluable bit.Yeah hes a leader but hes also let his standards slip to,and it pains me to say,a sub standard level defensively.
Given we only have domestic competitions next year<which i think will certainly benefit us greatly>Evra might get a kick in the FA cup or Carling cup and im not being disrespectful to him.He leaks to many goals and was culpable for a lot of them last year/few years.
I hear what your saying,but it sounds like its more a coaching role hed be suited to as im sick of him sleeping at the back post,if hes even bothered to get back.
Will he even get in the Juve team,does Asamoah not have that spot sown up?
I wouldnt begrudge him a couple of seasons in the sun.
Selling him leaves our defense without a world class factor.
We better bring some best quality now because this deal becoming no joke with every day.
We better bring some best quality now because this deal becoming no joke with every day.
He's invaluable in the sense that our defence will be young and quite inexperienced next season; Evans would be our oldest defender at 26 years old. Having already lost Vidic and Ferdinand, you can't compensate for the loss of all three at once. Ideally, we will retain one and hopefully van Gaal will be of the same belief. Not too mention how he would be a good mentor for Shaw and allow us to have healthy competition where competition has been sorely lacking in recent years.
His defensive game has rapidly regressed, but that has also been the consequence of Evra never having a competent back-up and having to play 40-50 games per season. It's clearly taken it's toll on him, as you quite rightly pointed out, he is often to lethargic and negligent to tracking back and holding his position. In that respect, the club are also culpable as he's been managed poorly.
I just think it's completely unnecessary. We are seemingly on the verge of signing Vermaelen with the general consensus being, he is a poor/average centre back let alone how he performs out of position at LB and he might well end up being the fill-in for Shaw. It just wouldn't be worth it, if it meant Evra leaving. The only player who I'd like as a squad option for that position would be Blind and not much has been made of our interest recently.
Oh i get you mate and agree with you about the burn out and lack of competition/cover at Lb and as i said earlier he is and will go down as a legend in my eyes.
But,,,and its a big one,,preparing for one game, a week 2 at most,Patrice may find himself on the bench a lot and if hes not happy with that,well,he will have to leave wont he?
Last thing i want is someone like Evra being shunned,kicking up a fuss and exiting the club.Because lets face it,Van Gaal doesnt strike me as someone who will indulge a lazy Lb.And thats what he is.
According to Di Marzio, in the last few hours we've given Juve indication we're willing to sell and we'll meet to establish a price in the next few days.
For me, this would only make sense if we had kept Buttner to remain as a backup to Shaw. I believe we sold Buttner because we preferred Evra. I don't think this would be good business. The only thing that makes me think it might happen is if it involves some kind of deal for Vidal.
If there's any truth in this, then surelyyyyyyy Woody must have a master plan involving Vidal.
Evra has been anything but world class the last few years.
In what world is Evra still world class?
He's probably my favourite current player and has been fantastic for us over the years but there's no denying his form has been poor these past two seasons. Whether it's down to not being rested or not, he's certainly not world class & wouldn't have been starting ahead of Shaw anyway so it doesn't really change anything.
Just my opinion, but I think he stayed here out of loyalty because we didn't have anybody to replace him and he wouldn't leave us until we found a suitable replacement. I personally think he asked to leave last summer and that's why we made an attempt (a feeble one, but an attempt nonetheless) for Baines and Coentrao who would've displaced Evra last season. Now that we've signed Shaw, the time is right for him to get his wish. I think he knows his performances have dropped and he can't produce at the level he once did for us, which is why he wants to leave a club that he clearly loves.
Wish he would stay, but from his standpoint I understand his decision. If he sticks around on the bench for another year, a good club like Juventus probably won't come in for him next year, nor pay him a decent wage.
Wish he would stay, but from his standpoint I understand his decision. If he sticks around on the bench for another year, a good club like Juventus probably won't come in for him next year, nor pay him a decent wage.
He stayed because we activated a clause in his contract which we could extend by one year.
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So sad. Goodbye Paddy ???
I'd rather have him stay. He just gets the club and can impart his wisdom to some of the younger lads especially Shaw now that the Rio and Vida are gone. Just like he took Adnan under his wing and kept him grounded last season. That said maybe Paddy feels he can be a regular starter at another club. If so then the United hierarchy shouldn't stand in his way. Let me him go to Juventus. If an arrangement can be made for 35m + Evra for Vidal it'd be just perfect and his final parting gift to United.
I'd rather have him stay. He just gets the club and can impart his wisdom to some of the younger lads especially Shaw now that the Rio and Vida are gone. Just like he took Adnan under his wing and kept him grounded last season. That said maybe Paddy feels he can be a regular starter at another club. If so then the United hierarchy shouldn't stand in his way. Let me him go to Juventus. If an arrangement can be made for 35m + Evra for Vidal it'd be just perfect and his final parting gift to United.
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