Patrice Evra | 2008-12 Performances

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i thought he was good, lennon skinned him a couple of times but he does that to most defenders without an end product and we seen that yesterday.

when i seen the lineups i thought spurs biggest threat would be from lennon & kyle walker but evra and young done a fantastic job on them both.
 
Two things:

1. Evra's defending has gone seriously downhill in the past 18 months. Easily pulled out of position, not great tackling and responsible for a ton of chances.

2. Fergie still plays Park on the wing, presumably as a more defensive minded attacker. Park offers the square root of bugger all.

1 + 2 = Why not try Evra at LMF? Stick Evans at LB - or Fabio.

Evra is barely ever injured, is our captain and still has good energy. Why not?
 
I actually don't think it would be a bad idea to try him out on the wing and bring in Fabio at LB. Similar to what Valencia did with Alba and Mathieu.
 
Snow said:
I actually don't think it would be a bad idea to try him out on the wing and bring in Fabio at LB. Similar to what Valencia did with Alba and Mathieu.
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Don't think he is good enough on the ball for that. Plus he can't cross
 
Being an attacking full-back and a winger aren't the same thing (duh). An attacking full-back will exploit the space made by the winger drifting inwards and overlap on the outside, whereas the winger will rely more on dribbling past players, cutting inside and putting crosses in. Evra's at his best when he can accelerate from his own half and skip past the opposition, something he wouldn't have the amount of space to do from a wing position where defenders would double up on him.

Also, his crossing is pretty terrible for a full-back..
 
All those years playing alongside Gaz who had such a lovely delivery into the box and Paddy still manages to hit the first defender 9/10 times he crosses into the box.
 
his defending for their second was shocking, the first job of a full back is to stop the opposition crosses coming in, he didnt even try. Thats awful!
 
We already tried Evra as a left winger during 06/07, he was shocking there. Plus it would be an insult to play him over Young, Welbeck, Giggs or Nani on the left wing.
 
Beachryan said:
Two things:

1. Evra's defending has gone seriously downhill in the past 18 months. Easily pulled out of position, not great tackling and responsible for a ton of chances.

2. Fergie still plays Park on the wing, presumably as a more defensive minded attacker. Park offers the square root of bugger all.

1 + 2 = Why not try Evra at LMF? Stick Evans at LB - or Fabio.

Evra is barely ever injured, is our captain and still has good energy. Why not?
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He doesn't cross well or score goals.
 
Godfather said:
Don't think he is good enough on the ball for that. Plus he can't cross
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Not every winger is a good crosser. He's good enough on the ball. He's one of the players in our team that dribble past players on high speed. He seems to get past them more easily than Young and Rooney. He's also good with one twos. The reason he's playing for us is how good he is down the wing. Usually a bigger threat than the winger.

Now, that might be because the full back is more preoccupied with the winger. That's likely. So that's why is perhaps better to try out a winger there at full back and have him being the target for the full back. Gives the winger in the full back position lots of space. Again, like with Valencia. Alba was a winger, Mathieu a full back. They've now switched positions and are probably now the top 3 most dangerous left flank to play against.

I mean, can someone in all honesty do a worse defensive job than Evra?
 
Chrisjn_ said:
He doesn't cross well or score goals.
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There are many wingers that don't. Good crossers are very rare. Chris Brunt and Jermaine Pennant are very good crossers. Downing is a good crossers. Look how well they can do.

Beating a man in one on one situations and getting into good positions from that is valuable. He doesn't need to be a great crosser.
 
Snow said:
There are many wingers that don't. Good crossers are very rare. Chris Brunt and Jermaine Pennant are very good crossers. Downing is a good crossers. Look how well they can do.

Beating a man in one on one situations and getting into good positions from that is valuable. He doesn't need to be a great crosser.
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Yes, I agree he is very good at beating a man and excells in quick link up play but this leads me onto the fact that so often he manages to get himself into terrific positions but so rarely does he come out with an assist.
 
Chrisjn_ said:
Yes, I agree he is very good at beating a man and excells in quick link up play but this leads me onto the fact that so often he manages to get himself into terrific positions but so rarely does he come out with an assist.
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Yes. He generally passes the ball into an area rather than to a man. Rooney is starting to be more greedy but he's different if Hernandez is inside the box. We just need a bot more attack really. We rarely have a man standing on the far post, a man going for the near and someone on the edge of area. They are usually on the far post because that's were Young crosses the ball. Evra always crosses to the near or if he's by the touchline, out.
 
Evra is still good going forward, his end delivery is usually dissapointing but he gives us some pace down there. Defensively though he has been beaten far too often of late and positionally he's all over the place at times.

It's worrying but he has been practically ever present for us for about 3 seasons now, he needs a proper challenge at his position be that Fabio or someone new.
 
I said it before and I'll say it again. The captaincy was a mistake because he isn't droppable anymore.
 
Why would he not be droppable? We've dropped captains before, no reason why we wouldn't drop him if it came to that.

He's still a good left back, but his defending has seriously declined from what it was, he doesn't get anywhere near tight enough to his man anymore.
 
fabio should take his place. i am not saying that fabio has done wonders recently, but anyone will be better than paddy. i don't know what has gone wrong with him.
if he is at the club next season, or if he is there as a starter, i will be shocked.
 
sdb4884 said:
Should play as a left winger from next season on because he can't defend anymore at left back. Still great going forward though.
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We tried that experiment once. It was a abject failure. He's dreadful as a winger primarily because he's a poor crosser of the ball and one on one his close control and ability to beat the defender isn't great either.

Evra does well on the overlap and against slower fullbacks because he still has a good turn of speed (but even that's diminished in the last few years). He used to rocket past players and then race back and make tackles. Now it seems he plays with half a tank of gas and only concentrates on making attacking runs forgetting his primary job is to defend.
 
Theon said:
Why would he not be droppable? We've dropped captains before, no reason why we wouldn't drop him if it came to that.

He's still a good left back, but his defending has seriously declined from what it was, he doesn't get anywhere near tight enough to his man anymore.
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How many times have we dropped captains before? Gary Neville does not count.
 
It's odd hearing Evra say "we deserved to go out because we never played with the same desire as when we play in the league". He has to know he's been poor this season, so while that honesty is refreshing one has to wonder if he's lost some of appetite for winning after basically winning it all with United over the last few years.
 
Bear Attack said:
How many times have we dropped captains before? Gary Neville does not count.
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Keane? I'd say Neville is the most appropriate comparison in this case. When your level drops below a certain standard, you will be dropped. Captaincy doesn't come into it. Besides, Evra isn't even our first choice captain. I'm not advocating dropping him entirely, but surely we should start testing out other options.
 
kps88 said:
Keane? I'd say Neville is the most appropriate comparison in this case. When your level drops below a certain standard, you will be dropped. Captaincy doesn't come into it. Besides, Evra isn't even our first choice captain. I'm not advocating dropping him entirely, but surely we should start testing out other options.
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But Neville was nearing the end of his retirement and questions were not only asked about his utility to the team but also of his fitness levels. Evra is a different case. Sir Alex made him captain because he saw him as the mainstay of the team and now that he is performing sporadically, it is bad man management to drop him. It is more costly to play a liability but I think it is a bit of a vote of no confidence to bench a newly made captain.
 
Bear Attack said:
But Neville was nearing the end of his retirement and questions were not only asked about his utility to the team but also of his fitness levels. Evra is a different case. Sir Alex made him captain because he saw him as the mainstay of the team and now that he is performing sporadically, it is bad man management to drop him. It is more costly to play a liability but I think it is a bit of a vote of no confidence to bench a newly made captain.
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I would agree with this for most other clubs. Captaincy at our club hasn't been that big a deal ever since Neville gave it up. The way Ferdinand orders the defence around, you could say he's our natural captain. Off the pitch, I'm sure Giggs and Vidic play a part as well. We have several captains. And like I said, he's not our captain! He's just filling in for our injured one. If he is dropped, I don't think it'll hurt Evra any extra amount because he's captain.
 
kps88 said:
I would agree with this for most other clubs. Captaincy at our club hasn't been that big a deal ever since Neville gave it up. The way Ferdinand orders the defence around, you could say he's our natural captain. Off the pitch, I'm sure Giggs and Vidic play a part as well. We have several captains. And like I said, he's not our captain! He's just filling in for our injured one. If he is dropped, I don't think it'll hurt Evra any extra amount because he's captain.
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Fair enough. I buy that. I understand that our club captaincy has never been really sensationalized since Neville or even Keane and Evra is just filling in for an injured Vidic. Having said that, Sir Alex said that Evra has the ideal forefront to be captain because he plays all the time. My point was that the captaincy has reinforced the fact that he should be playing all the time which will make him more difficult to drop.
 
Chrisjn_ said:
He doesn't cross well or score goals.
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One good thing about Evra though is that he does win us a lot of corners... sure it would be better if he found his man with a cross, but corners arn't a terrible consolation.

Anyway, I find it a little odd that people are singling out one man for yesterdays poor team performance, but then I suppose we always need to blame someone. He was excellent against West Brom (obviously a different kettle of fish) last weekend, and I'm sure he'll play well against Wolves this weekend (but no one will refer to it).
 
Annihilate Now! said:
One good thing about Evra though is that he does win us a lot of corners... sure it would be better if he found his man with a cross, but corners arn't a terrible consolation.

Anyway, I find it a little odd that people are singling out one man for yesterdays poor team performance, but then I suppose we always need to blame someone. He was excellent against West Brom (obviously a different kettle of fish) last weekend, and I'm sure he'll play well against Wolves this weekend (but no one will refer to it).
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Good point. But when is he going to have a decent game against a top drawer team. His positioning, as a left back, for the last couple of seasons has been questionable at best and down right appalling at worst.
 
Do you guys see Evra being replaced for next season?

If it were to happen who would you see fit to step in?

Might sound ridiculous but I think Baines would do well for Utd. I'm not suggesting Evra should be sold either, but I think its safe to say hes been far from his best this season.
 
LTS10 said:
Do you guys see Evra being replaced for next season?

If it were to happen who would you see fit to step in?

Might sound ridiculous but I think Baines would do well for Utd. I'm not suggesting Evra should be sold either, but I think its safe to say hes been far from his best this season.
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I think he should be left out of the first team a bit at least but since Fergie isn't doing it I don't imagine that he'll replace him. He is a weak link. Right back doesn't get skinned anywhere near as much as Evra is despite the constant rotation there.
 
Overpriced, English bleh
 
LTS10 said:
Do you guys see Evra being replaced for next season?

If it were to happen who would you see fit to step in?

Might sound ridiculous but I think Baines would do well for Utd. I'm not suggesting Evra should be sold either, but I think its safe to say hes been far from his best this season.
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I don't think we'll drop Evra for the moment to be honest. He hasn't had the best couple of seasons, but there have been times where he's shown glimpses of producing better form. If he was consistently awful, then he'd get dropped, but the fact that he sometimes can play well shows that he's still got it there to a certain extent.

I don't think Fergie will go for Baines either to be honest. If he's going to drop Evra, then I think he'd give a run of games to Fabio, presuming that he'd be able to actually stay fit, which does often seem unlikely.
 
LTS10 said:
Do you guys see Evra being replaced for next season?

If it were to happen who would you see fit to step in?

Might sound ridiculous but I think Baines would do well for Utd. I'm not suggesting Evra should be sold either, but I think its safe to say hes been far from his best this season.
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Fryers?
 
But Fabio is better.

Left-footed > better?
 
Snow said:
I think he should be left out of the first team a bit at least but since Fergie isn't doing it I don't imagine that he'll replace him. He is a weak link. Right back doesn't get skinned anywhere near as much as Evra is despite the constant rotation there.
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cheesy said:
I don't think we'll drop Evra for the moment to be honest. He hasn't had the best couple of seasons, but there have been times where he's shown glimpses of producing better form. If he was consistently awful, then he'd get dropped, but the fact that he sometimes can play well shows that he's still got it there to a certain extent.

I don't think Fergie will go for Baines either to be honest. If he's going to drop Evra, then I think he'd give a run of games to Fabio, presuming that he'd be able to actually stay fit, which does often seem unlikely.
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Thanks for your opinions :)

Its a strange one, you regularly see Evra skinned and left for dead now, where as a couple of years ago you rarely ever saw any attacker get past him. Perhaps the captaincy hasn't helped him, especially at a time when he was starting to struggle for form.
 
LTS10 said:
Do you guys see Evra being replaced for next season?

If it were to happen who would you see fit to step in?

Might sound ridiculous but I think Baines would do well for Utd. I'm not suggesting Evra should be sold either, but I think its safe to say hes been far from his best this season.
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We'll have the same personal at left back next season as we have this season i reckon. Fabio will hopefully be more injury free than he was this season & will play a bigger role for us there & will eventually be Evra's replacement.
 
LTS10 said:
Thanks for your opinions :)

Its a strange one, you regularly see Evra skinned and left for dead now, where as a couple of years ago you rarely ever saw any attacker get past him. Perhaps the captaincy hasn't helped him, especially at a time when he was starting to struggle for form.
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I'd take Baines or Alba Ramos of Valencia as long term replacements if United decided it was to risky to put Fabio in full back up status.
 
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