A fair question actually, when you consider the highest levels of football. I don't really wanna see him near a first team game unless he makes it through a reserve game first. Putting him straight back in, untested, is not a good idea.
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A fair question actually, when you consider the highest levels of football. I don't really wanna see him near a first team game unless he makes it through a reserve game first. Putting him straight back in, untested, is not a good idea.
No way Hargreaves starts tmr
Evans fit
Brown - Smalling - Evans - Evra
No Evans
Fabio - Brown - Smalling - Evra
Evans fit
Brown - Smalling - Evans - Evra
No Evans
Fabio - Brown - Smalling - Evra
Evans unfit
Hargreaves Smalling Brown Evra
Evan's fit
Hargreaves Smalling Brown Evra
Brown's brawn is essential against the physical Davies. Has to start in the centre.
Hargreaves I would start at right back even with the assumption he might feel a phantom injury inside 5 minutes. I just crave one last throw of the dice for him in his last season and against his Dad's hometown club he might just get past that psychological barrier.
Worth a punt in a game we should have enough firepower to win.
Hargreaves Smalling Brown Evra
Evan's fit
Hargreaves Smalling Brown Evra
Brown's brawn is essential against the physical Davies. Has to start in the centre.
Hargreaves I would start at right back even with the assumption he might feel a phantom injury inside 5 minutes. I just crave one last throw of the dice for him in his last season and against his Dad's hometown club he might just get past that psychological barrier.
Worth a punt in a game we should have enough firepower to win.
The last time Hargreaves started he lasted 6 minutes. At best he'll be on the bench tomorrow. Don't think we'll really see him back until the last few weeks of the season, if then.
We lacked a fair bit of creativity from the central midfield. Anderson helped a bit with his powerful runs and dribbling, but otherwise all the creativity came from the wingers and strikers. Similar to the Arsenal game a couple of weeks ago (but obviously far superior), the two central midfielders were more there to destroy everything the opposition threw at us and then it was the other players on the field who bought the creativity and attacking threat.
I never said it was necessarily a negative thing. Indeed, I said it was a viable way to play, and in fact I wished we still had that option to use at times. We've tried to do similar things in other games since without looking as comfortable. I wouldn't want to play it against lower teams who park the bus, but it'd be a great option to have against other top teams.
And once again, I acknowledged everything you said here. Hargreaves wasn't playing all that well in the centre, but there's a fair chance that was simply because he was in a new team in a new league, after recovering from a bad injury. The fact that he was able to then go on to become arguably our first choice right winger was fantastic.
Given time he may have been able to transfer that form into the centre. Maybe not. Nobody can know for certain. Unfortunately his knees fell apart before we could find out.
I'd like him not to be involved today.
Let him train up over the international break.
Let him train up over the international break.
Id go with no Evans option
Aye, hes been out for god knows how long and a week of training wont be enough to make him fit again.
Only SAF knows if he's fit and good enough to play.
The way I see it is let him start and if he does well good on him, if he doesn't then atleast we have 3 subs so we can change him early on. Then and only then he will know and we know his career is finally over and we can all move on.
The way I see it is let him start and if he does well good on him, if he doesn't then atleast we have 3 subs so we can change him early on. Then and only then he will know and we know his career is finally over and we can all move on.
I don't remember it that way at all. That was game we should have won but ended up drawing 2-2 & we created very good chances through out.
No! That's not true. It was 4 minutes.
I was just thinking of posting the same thing. Although I hope we doesn't rush him for this match.
Isn't Fletcher out with a virus anyways?
Looks like it's going to be something like this:
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Fabio--Smalling--Brown--Evra
Valencia--Carrick--Gibson--Nani
-------Rooney--Hernandez
Giggs in for Valencia if he's not fit enough to start. Hargreaves to hopefully come on if any of our fullbacks go off (which is likely with Fabio) or if central midfield is knackered. Berbatov can also play instead of one of our strikers.
It was six by the time he'd limped around a bit and decided to be subbed off.
Anyway don't begrudge him two minutes. He needs what he can get
He would be nothing else but a waste of substitution. There's no way he can last more than 15 minutes.
Yeah I agree in general. Obviously none of us are SAF and thus none of us really know what level he's at right but, but generally speaking id prefer for him to be given the international break to train back toward match fitness.
There's no way in hell he should be in the squad. Wasn't he training by himself at the start of the week? He'd be a liability in terms of fitness AND tactics, and to be honest, it would be highly negligent of the staff to throw him back into a match environment so soon. He had more training before the last injury and look how that turned out. He needs the best part of a month, plus a reserve game or two, before we even consider picking him.
Why not throw in a reserve defender? What use is keeping these lads around if they're not worthy of a place on the bench as backup?
Why not throw in a reserve defender? What use is keeping these lads around if they're not worthy of a place on the bench as backup?
I always seem to open this thread holding my breath in case something else has happened to him. Maybe this time, he will be able to get back to full fitness and not break down again - although I'm not holding my breath. But as has been said, a fit Hargreaves will be a huge boost, I think he's a great player
When was he last fit and playing well?
Nice option for England if he can get his form back.
Nice option for England if he can get his form back.
People seriously think it's a good idea to throw him in from the start after what happened last time (and the obviousness of it)?
I mean, christ. We've got four fit defenders at the very least. Well, three and two thirds, since starting Fabio means subbing off Fabio after 60 minutes when he injures himself...but that's still more than enough reason not to risk Hargreaves.
I like how his injury has made him a better player when fit in the eyes of the caf too. He could barely get a game in the centre for us when fit, and when he did it usually coincided with us not playing very well. He was much better on the right, which is where Nani or Valencia play.
I mean, christ. We've got four fit defenders at the very least. Well, three and two thirds, since starting Fabio means subbing off Fabio after 60 minutes when he injures himself...but that's still more than enough reason not to risk Hargreaves.
I like how his injury has made him a better player when fit in the eyes of the caf too. He could barely get a game in the centre for us when fit, and when he did it usually coincided with us not playing very well. He was much better on the right, which is where Nani or Valencia play.
Do we seriously need to argue this again for the 1000th time?
give it a bloody rest.
In fairness Noodle, he added a lot of energy to our midfield virtually instantly, he never really had the time to settle down here and settle into our high tempo passing game, the signs were that he would eventually settle.
Until his knee fell off.
He was not good in a midfield 2, but he was pretty good in a 3.
Played very well with Anderson a couple of times in a 2. Aside from that he didn't really play enough in a 2 to conclude anything.
It's not as if he got injured in the last game because he started rather than coming off from the bench.
I think.its 10 games
Im more worried about the left back situation in terms of the opposition today. Petrov has been relatively poor of late whereas Lee seems to be just hitting top form. Hes a dangerous player, the exact type Evra has disappointed against this season...
feck that. He WILL pull up after a tackle. I can just feel it.
It didn't fall off. He joined United with a clear history of being crocked at least 50% of the time. It was a bizarre signing for that reason alone.
Whether he was ever "world class", people can debate al day about (he wasn't), but now apparently he was a world class central midfielder in a United shirt? ...When?
I make it that he's only played around 15 games in central midfield for us, and in most of those he was ok to decent at best. His main contribution was usually to either be caught behind the play, or disrupt our attacking flow by constantly having about 6 touches of the ball before passing it. He looked a far more useful player when he was wide right, and could use his 6 touches to run up the line and wip a usually dangerous looking cross into the box.
It may have been down to fitness, but it's like with Saha. When fitness is a constant problem, it becomes a bigger factor in how good a player is than pretty much anything else.
Is that right? feck me, even I could get one for doing that.
It's dumb how people try to argue that something entirely subjective like the appraisal of a player being 'world class' or not, actually has a 'right' or 'wrong' answer.
The term 'world class' doesn't really mean anything anyway. It's just something people say to either underline how good they think a player is or to expose how poor they think he is in contrast.
It's like people arguing over whether a movie or a book is 'outstanding' or 'excellent' or otherwise. It amuses me when people think there is actually a definition of what they're trying to define when there isn't.
The term 'world class' doesn't really mean anything anyway. It's just something people say to either underline how good they think a player is or to expose how poor they think he is in contrast.
It's like people arguing over whether a movie or a book is 'outstanding' or 'excellent' or otherwise. It amuses me when people think there is actually a definition of what they're trying to define when there isn't.
He already has 1.
oh my bad, I thought his 4 min cameo was last season.
With OH and injuries time a is a very confusing thing
on a side note - whenever i open this thread i have a feeling i will read something about his latest injury. this thread scares tbh
There's been a few efforts on here to define "world class" over the years. One of the better efforts was whether or not a footballer would form part of the squad of players that would be represent Earth in the interplanetary cup.
Last season he had a 90 second cameo. This season it's been 6 minutes. Maybe next season we'll see him play 24 minutes?
Space jam 2 with Fergie and Jabba the hut in opposite dugouts!
Not in the team today
There was a very slim chance that was going to happen.Not in the team today
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