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Well, he was always alive. Show us some pics of him training.
Owen Hargreaves | 2010/11 Performances
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Well, he was always alive. Show us some pics of him training.
Don't think this has been posted yet, just the one form the united website...
He's training with the first team FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also Carrick is back training!
Sir Alex Ferguson urges caution over Owen Hargreaves' 'surprising' recovery from injury - Telegraph
He's training with the first team FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also Carrick is back training!
Sir Alex Ferguson urges caution over Owen Hargreaves' 'surprising' recovery from injury - Telegraph
I bet there is no recovery - he is just going to risk it and try to play. YOu don't suddenly recover from a chronic problem.
He has probably decided to just try and play as its his last year of his contract and could possiblt be the last year of his footballing career.
He has probably decided to just try and play as its his last year of his contract and could possiblt be the last year of his footballing career.
it would hardly be sudden.
Wouldn't it be ironic if Hargreaves came back, helped us push on to win the league, but was unavailable for selection in the CL and we get dumped out of it...
...now that would be ironic.
...now that would be ironic.
He can be registered for knockout stages in January and if our squad can't qualify from the group without a player who spent the last 2-3 years injured then we have greater things to worry about than irony.
Compared to the prognosis 2 months ago when he returned to USA for further treatment after his recovery stalled.
we don't know what happened with that instance though, all we have heard is that the doctor working on him said he is pretty much fine now and Fergie saying he is back with the first team training. (would like to see some picture proof...)
His 'setback' in the summer was disheartening, but the fact is we don't actually know what the extent of the setback was, or what has happened since the summer.
I will still be surprised if he does come back and play any sort of meaningfull part in our season, but I do think his recovery would be far from 'sudden' if he did come back. Still don't really expect to see him before christmas. Shame there are no reserve games after tonight until November.
cool. no worries so.
what is it then?
There is nothing much more SAF and United can do apart from support Hargo and see what happens.
Let's say Hargo does make a recovery you think he will do an Oneywu and play for us for free?
A mistake.
It doesn't matter anyway though, he can be included in the CL squad in January.
A mistake not to include him pre-xmas?
It probably is a mistake if he is close to fitness....of course we'll believe it when we see it...
to be honest he should play for free at this stage...he has had 2 years of collecting big wages and getting the best of medical attention for free.
He owes the club....
thats a really interesting one. i wonder how that would pan out if they tried to get him to play for free?
I'm not saying it is a mistake, i'm saying if the hypothietical scenrio that you created ends up happening then it will have been a mistake not to include him in the squad.
makes sense that he play for free but i dont think any player would...
its madness when you think that he has been getting his massive salary while effectively not doing his job....due to a reason that is not the clubs fault..he arrived with this problem
I don't think he should be expected to play for free. That would be incredibly unreasonable.
why?
Because it's hardly his fault is it? He's just been really unlucky and whilst he should be very grateful for the clubs support we shouldn't expect him to repay that loyalty by playing for free.
In what other job would that be considered acceptable?
All I want/expect from Owen Hargreaves if/when he returns is that he shows the club the same loyalty we showed him.
If he ends up playing a role for us this season, we will probably offer him a new contract on wages that are half or a third of his current level.
completely agree with you about the loyalty thing and i dont really expect that he will ever be asked to play for free...yes the problem is not his fault but nor was it made by united
however if you were employed to do a job that you couldnt do due to no fault of your employer you could be released with no legal obligation. United could have released him but we kept him and one way or another he has got paid for 2 years and not done his job.
I dont think it would be outrageuos of the club to ask him to play for free but i dont expect they will ask for that....
would be a nice gesture of him if he did all the same
MUFC would have had a insurance policy in place, as they do for all their players. They won't have lost any money at all. If anything the insurance company might ask him to play for free!! lols
I'm fairly sure we wouldn't have been able to just release him. Sounds a bit illegal that to me. I'm sure we could have mutually agreed to release him but it would have involved a very large compensation fee.
Talking Robot was probably right, if we decided to offer him a contract extension then i'd expect his wages to be decreased significantly or be appearance based etc.
yeah there is insurance but who pays the premium and how much is that premium going to increase by...and as for releasing him im sure the clubs are protected as much as the players when career ending things happen...
it would have probably been a reasonable pay plus th gate from a testimonial
anyway yeah lads i go along with the reduced wages offer for him...he probably would feel obliged to accept it
shame all this happend to him as he is a good player
Its unreasonable to expect Hargreaves to play for free or even on a pay as you play contract in my opinion. Because I guarantee he will have a couple of injuries on his way back to form and match sharpness and with his luck, they might not be minor injuries. If you were Owen Hargreaves you'd be taking a huge risk agreeing to anything other than a standard contract.
if i was him i would take whats offered...who is going to offer him a big money standard contract with his history of long term injury
i know i wouldnt .....
pay as you play might be the best he gets
Let's cross that bridge about his new conract when we get there. For now all we can hop for is for a good recovery from the lad. Hes always come across as a nice enough bloke, so I dont expect him to bitch and moan too much about any new contract offer and im sure in the end, the best solution for all parties will be agreed. Whether that is OH signing for another club or for United.
How do you know? Do you see him train week in week out? I do share your concerns but we know nothing about the nature of the injury and the player's character to write him of. I do remember Barcelona writing off an Argentinian kid who ended up leaving Spain to recover in his family house (Rocky style). He ended up becoming the best player the world had ever seen, making Barcelona look like a pack of gimps.
There is a difference between playing well and playing exceptionally. Read the posts before posting nonsensical replies.
The defensive way was terrible, a better referee would've sent off Carrick and Scholes for the number of fouls they commited. They were also lucky that Messi was coming back from injury and Barcelona's forwards were largely off form.
It's an odd thing when a side draws 0-0 with Barcelona but still were defensively poor. United weren't winning the ball, Park was the only one in midfield winning tackles cleanly. United's performance was an insult to the art of defending reflected in the number of fouls and the 23% pocession stakes.
A better referee and United would've been left perhaps with a back four, a goalkeeper, and perhaps Park and Ronaldo who wasn't much bothered making tackles anyway. If Hargreaves started in midfield and O'Shea played rightback, the game would've been better secured.
A better referee and we'd have had a second peno
You didnt say playing well or exceptionally. You said
If he comes back playing at all and he is anyway decent.
Perhaps you should read your own posts.
... in a 10-2 defeat, where Rooney, Tevez, Scholes and Carrick get sent off.
...because that's a plausible scenario, isn't it?
Mourinho did the same thing last season at the Nou Camp and is hailed as a tactical genius. Like he said, he wasn't looking to keep the ball because shape was of the essence to try and stop Barca passing the ball around you. Perhaps he learned something from us then.
If by tactical genuis you mean to play amateur football that has all the halmarks of the Andorran or Faroese national football team.
The defensive display was pathetic, there were not any attempts to win the ball, just to conceed set pieces ... if they had done a "Rangers" and parked the bus and played antifootball I'd be content, but instead it was just dirty football you'd expect from the old Wimbledon sides of the 90's.
Apart from Park, there was nothing clean defensively from United's forward six.
Real Madrid probably didn't stoop to United's level hacking everyone in a Red and Blue striped shirt.
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