Probably the only reason why he's training with the first team.Be very surprised if he's named in the squad for Bolton
Owen Hargreaves | 2009/10 Performances
- Thread starter umair
- Start date
- Status
Probably the only reason why he's training with the first team.Be very surprised if he's named in the squad for Bolton
If only the club has stayed quiet for a few hours longer, it would have stopped this crazy caf going into doom-monger mode.
I just wonder about Bolton at the weekend.
SAF:
If he doesn't feature this week, SAF won't risk putting him in important games such as Bayern and Chelsea when he's untested in first-team football for so long. He'd maybe feature in the reserves and then maybe Blackburn after Bayern 2nd leg.
He is nowhere near fit enough to be near the first team yet. He was never going to be involved against those teams you mentioned. Plus, he was not named in the CL squad and is therefore unable to play regardless.
I don't think it would work this way for that sort of knee injury. If he was grinding the cartilage up or in fact had no cartilage left maybe. This is a tendon issue, an inflamed tendon that degenerates over time.
Tendinitis CAN be cured. It takes a long period of complete inactivity. For all intents and purposes a professional athlete will never be cured of it during their career because the lay off would essentially destroy their career. That isn't to say that AFTER the career is over they cannot give themselves the rest they need to facilitate a recovery.
Once Hargreaves decides to call it a day, he can go lay on a beach in the south pacific and sip beverages with umbrellas with a beautiful woman at his side for a few years. This period of leisure will give the tendons enough time to begin to properly heal.
That doesn't mean he will be as good as new, but he shouldn't be suffering from pain.
As a professional athlete however you do put the mileage on your body and when you do eventually shut it down you are going to feel it later on down the road.
Great informative post again Nukes.
Funny how half of the caf takes today's news as a bad thing yet Skysports put a totally different spin on it with the headline:
"Hargreaves closer to return"
Funny how half of the caf takes today's news as a bad thing yet Skysports put a totally different spin on it with the headline:
"Hargreaves closer to return"
Not registered for the CL - cannot play in any of the CL games.
The first team training is far more intense than at reserve team level. If he is indeed now beginning full time first team training then the physios could have been concerned that this, along with a reserve team game could be too much too soon for him. He's been out a long time so they have to err on the side of caution.
There's a chance that his knees are currently holding up better than they expected them to. Moving him to intense training every day suggests his knees aren't suffering too much from the more frequent and more strenuous excercise.
Is there a chance he will be on the bench for Bolton?
Judging by Nucks post I'd say he has a greater chance of being on the beach for Bolton
Wouldn't have thought so. Again, I'd imagine they'll be cautious as they'll want to see how he copes with 1st team training over the next couple of weeks. They'll likely want to see how the knees cope with 1st team training first and foremost. If he copes fine then I'd still expect him to be given at least a couple more reserve team games before moving to first team level.
What's the difference between first team training and reserve team training then?
A couple more weeks of training and a couple more reserve games means the season is almost over.
quality? intensity?
Yep, despite what Fergie's said today there's no chance he's going to be coming back to make an impact on this season unless we lose some of the other midfielders and become desperate.
That would be my thoughts more or less. I am still not confident that his recovery is complete or worse not going to happen
Pulled out to train with the first team..... surrrrrrre.
Unless something bad happens I imagine he will have a cameo or two towards the end of the season.
Some people just see in black or white. There's no grey area with you. does nobody see the full benefits of training with the first team squad. The mental boost he'll get from being back in the proper run of things week in week out. I imagine it's endearing to be recovering all alone while your teammates go train twice as intensely. Being stuck in the reserves isn't a good thing for a first teamer, not half as close to those players if he even knows any of them personally. I can imagine SAF might name him in a matchday squad purely for the experience. Back in the dugout, 100% chance he might come on. That's gotta be an almighty boost for someone who's been out for 18 months.
Fergie has been saying for a while now that most of the problems are in Hargreaves' mind. With that in mind, he has clearly decided that he's had enough of the procrastinating and wants to see if he can make it back or not. Step up the training, bench him and give him some action when we are in a position to risk it and see how he goes. Hopefully, he'll come through. If we leave it to Hargreaves, he'll be 33 before he decides to give it a push.
But training with the first team does not stop you from playing with the reserves so your argument falls flat imo.
He could, very easily, train with the first team every day of the week, and then play in the reserve matches in order to boost his match fitness, there really is no reason why this could not be done.
If you assume he won't be involved this weekend, then it will be more than two weeks since he played 45mins against Burnley reserves before he will be available for selection again, and I wouldn't want to see him thrown in at the deep end vs Chelsea either to be honest, so that is another week of absolutely no competitive football games. He needs game time, and the reserves are the best way of going about that - whether he is training with the first team or not.
The reserves game was cancelled.
doesn't change the fact he was pulled out of it so there was no intention to play him in it anyway.
I do find it funny how people think the reserve team training sessions as such will be vastly different to that of the first team. Perhaps the only difference it might have is that these days the reserves are more like the youth team of old, and so a bit more strength work might take place. The quality should be there, as they are playing for United, the intensity should be there if not stronger to impress the management to bring them into the first team. Of course they'll be on a seperate pitch to the first team, but it shouldn't be much different.
As for Hargreaves, promotion back to the first team squad training does perhaps suggest that he's getting closer to the first team return, and that now it is a matter of when, rather than if he returns.
As for Hargreaves, promotion back to the first team squad training does perhaps suggest that he's getting closer to the first team return, and that now it is a matter of when, rather than if he returns.
09:34 Sir Alex: "Everyone else is OK." Hargreaves and O'Shea training well and one of them could be a sub tomorrow, with the other getting space on the bench against Bayern next Wednesday. (AB)
Ben Hibbs is a bit sarcastic how the press would report this:
Chance of Hargreaves on bench v Chelsea. You know what this means? HARGREAVES MAY BE BACK FOR THE WORLD CUP #mufc *jumps off cliff*
Ben Hibbs is a bit sarcastic how the press would report this:
Chance of Hargreaves on bench v Chelsea. You know what this means? HARGREAVES MAY BE BACK FOR THE WORLD CUP #mufc *jumps off cliff*
Nice one!
Excellent news! I look forward to his return. Will be like a new signing next season if (A big if I know) he stays fit.
Well hargreaves cant make the bench for bayern anyway. So reckon he might be the one on for tommorow.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Simple logic there Jay.
If Hargreaves does make the bench it'll be interesting to see who falls out, Gibson is the obvious candidate, but he is United's most efficient goalscoring midfielder and only Valencia and Scholes have scored more than him (to be fair Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs have parity). In Rooney's absence that could be a big factor.
So how exactly does it work with the CL selections. Can Fergie still choose Hargreaves despite having dropped him earlier, or is it too late ?
He can't pick him.
I thought the same, which is why I'm a bit perplexed at why Fergie said this at today's press conference.
"On the positive front John O'Shea and Owen Hargreaves have been training very well with the first team. They're not far away now. Infact I may use one of them as a substitute tomorrow....and on Wednesday.
I think SAF was trying to be cryptic but, everyone knows Hargo can't be selected for CL, so he wasn't as holding things close to the vest as maybe he was trying to be.
Edit: Also the first time SAF spoke about O'She and Hargo in the interview he said he might use one of them tomorrow and on Wednesday. Only later in the interview did he say that he would use one tomorrow and the other on Wednesday, so that they both get confidence.
fooking yes!
About 5 minutes later, when someone asked him on Hargreaves' progresses, he said the same thing but it was clearer that he meant use one tomorrow and the other one on Wednesday.
If Hargreaves makes the bench he won't come on unless we're winning and in control.
Hargreaves is a good shout for a goal should he make the bench against Chelsea, let's face it, if we get a free kick just outside the box it's him we want on the end of it.
- Status