Aye, send some photos of your aussie? Generally those shepherds should be very good around people/kids, aren't they? You met my retriever, Lola and yeah, she's got this vicious bark (retrievers supposedly have the loudest/or one of the loudest barks) when she's scared or even at some people every so often, but she's so sweet with kids. Never ever had even an ounce of concern when she plays around with kids/babies. They could be pulling her hair and she just stands there with them, tail wagging.
Out of control dogs/dog attacks
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The answer is that everyone should own Irish Red and White Setters. Virtually zero chance of anyone getting bitten much less mauled or killed (unless one falls off a balcony above you). They are also endangered
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8008075/Irish-red-white-setter-UKs-endangered-breed.html#:~:text=Irish red-and-white setter,endangered breed | Daily Mail Online
My two lunatics.
Beautiful Wibs
They think so
i see them posing, yeah. Got it down to the tee!This conversation has been had on here before. There is / was a vet that posted in that thread and he said he'd been bitten by every breed known to man. It has to be the owners every time unless someone good has adopted an abused dog that may be beyond repair
The problem with banning dogs for attacks is that it’s based almost on a two axis graph:
- the likelihood of that breed attacking a human
- the impact of an attack
Except the complexity of the second part is too varied to account for empirically because of issues such as the size/ weight/ age of both the dog and the human.
Based on the assumption that ANY dog would attack a human if it felt significantly threatened, the impact depends on the ratio above - a vicious little chihuahua for example might just cause a cut or scratches on an adult, but could cause life-long injuries to a baby or toddler.
The only solution (on paper) is greater regulation of sales and ownership, except I believe the ‘market’ is already too widespread to regulate effectively.
- the likelihood of that breed attacking a human
- the impact of an attack
Except the complexity of the second part is too varied to account for empirically because of issues such as the size/ weight/ age of both the dog and the human.
Based on the assumption that ANY dog would attack a human if it felt significantly threatened, the impact depends on the ratio above - a vicious little chihuahua for example might just cause a cut or scratches on an adult, but could cause life-long injuries to a baby or toddler.
The only solution (on paper) is greater regulation of sales and ownership, except I believe the ‘market’ is already too widespread to regulate effectively.
I was curious whether more people are getting killed by dogs in recent years. As far as I can make out there’s not been much of an increase?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...foi/annualnumberofdeathsfromdogattacksorbites
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...foi/annualnumberofdeathsfromdogattacksorbites
Adding XL Bullies to the Dangerous Dogs Act is one of the more obvious political decisions in recent times.
They’re weapons, and if some good folk have to do without and hand them back in then it’s a reasonable adjustment that has to be made. Prosecute those who don’t with the same conviction you would with those who carry knives.
More than ten people dying in the space of two years due to an animal is completely unacceptable.
They’re weapons, and if some good folk have to do without and hand them back in then it’s a reasonable adjustment that has to be made. Prosecute those who don’t with the same conviction you would with those who carry knives.
More than ten people dying in the space of two years due to an animal is completely unacceptable.
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But you’re relying on people to behave responsibly. Haven’t you seen enough evidence the last few years that society is full of feckwits with not an ounce of common sense between them? It’s these people that get these dogs on the whole because most sensible people will think “I’ve got kids im not taking the risk”. So if you’re relying on a bunch of gormless idiots to make the right decision, this topic will go around for years to come
I don't mind dogs, but after all the headlines in recent years I'm increasingly wary.
Used to ride my bike on a particular route I love, but it involves going past a house with no gates, whose owners let the dog roam free. Been chased by it twice and no longer go that way, scares the hell out of me.
We also now have a toddler in our ranks, and though she loves animals, I pick her up whenever a dog is approaching, no matter of what shape or size. No offense to the owners, who are often lovely, I just do not want to risk it.
Think the other half would like to have a family dog at some point. I'm waiting 'til the little one's at least 10 just to be on the safe side.
Used to ride my bike on a particular route I love, but it involves going past a house with no gates, whose owners let the dog roam free. Been chased by it twice and no longer go that way, scares the hell out of me.
We also now have a toddler in our ranks, and though she loves animals, I pick her up whenever a dog is approaching, no matter of what shape or size. No offense to the owners, who are often lovely, I just do not want to risk it.
Think the other half would like to have a family dog at some point. I'm waiting 'til the little one's at least 10 just to be on the safe side.
I agree you rely on people behaving responsibly. Sadly like you say, not all do - and there's not much which can be done about this either unless you vet every person who buys a dog. But even that will still not work.
As for the XL, like I said I'm not against it being banned as attacks are a common factor sadly.
I'd be surprised if banning XL bullies will do anything. They aren't even a defined breed, basically all a bunch of slightly similar cross breeds.
They're also really really similar to loads of other bull breeds. If certain morons didn't crop the ears and jack their "XL Bullies" on roids I doubt many people would be able to tell the difference between a normal one and a staffy.
Proper legislation would be making it mandatory for large dogs to be muzzled in public and be on a lead. Then go hard after the backyard breeders who are really easy to find because it's not actually very illegal to "breed" dogs (aka puppy farm in terrible conditions, which means these nutty dogs also get a lovely dose of stressful traumatic upbringing to aid their unpredictability).
As long as people are able to cross any combination of dogs willy nilly without any sort of licence or inspections, banning breeds does feck all.
They're also really really similar to loads of other bull breeds. If certain morons didn't crop the ears and jack their "XL Bullies" on roids I doubt many people would be able to tell the difference between a normal one and a staffy.
Proper legislation would be making it mandatory for large dogs to be muzzled in public and be on a lead. Then go hard after the backyard breeders who are really easy to find because it's not actually very illegal to "breed" dogs (aka puppy farm in terrible conditions, which means these nutty dogs also get a lovely dose of stressful traumatic upbringing to aid their unpredictability).
As long as people are able to cross any combination of dogs willy nilly without any sort of licence or inspections, banning breeds does feck all.
Sorry, but this is a silly argument, its so reductive. Yes any dog can bite you but the two important factors are:
- Frequency of attack
- Impact of attack
Majority of the time they're not going to be ripping people's faces off. Even those that are good owners have had them snap though, and once they do the person on the receiving end is fecked. There was a case of a friendly family pit, where the daughter bent down to stroke it and it clamped on to her mouth, wouldn't let go and eventually ripped off her lips and surrounding skin. Disfigured for life. I'm sure that dog was slobbering on its back for them before that too.
This thread is full of comments that parllel so strong to the gun debate in America:
- Guns don't kill people, people do. We shouldn't ban guns but focus on mental health.
- Any dog can be dangerous the problem is bad owners.
There was a 10 year old boy bitten by a Staffy the day before in the same town.
By a setter? I'd be surprised.
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a pitbull is a good guy with a pitbull.
Every teacher should be given their own pitbull to prevent school mauling.
Never heard of someone being killed by a poodle attack though.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/14/pack-...-beachgoer-and-her-elderly-corgi-service-dog/
Pack of 10 poodles attacks California beachgoer and her elderly corgi service dog
Staffys are another breed that I think should be banned.
I think the whole of Staffordshire should be banned
I didn't see poodle, but there are some surprises on the list of breeds with a fatal attack on a human being in the US between 2005 and 2017. Chihuahua, Welsh Corgi, Schnauzer, Shiba Inu, Jack Russel terrier and Dachshund are all on the list
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What a strange way to word that.
So 10 dogs and the old woman is OK after the attack.....
https://en.mercopress.com/2022/10/2...ll-34-years-ago-and-social-media-remembers-it
Did find this absolutely savage attack though.
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Plus how easy is it to remove that dog from a situation where it won’t keep attacking.
A little dog trying to bite a vet when it’s distressed is clearly very different to a giant dog that locks its jaws and is seemingly impossible to remove from the victim.
I can’t imagine many dog breeds would continue attacking someone when they are being kicked and hit repeatedly, like we saw in those videos.
Talk about a chain reaction!
My Facebook had a fair few people moaning about the ban. How stupid can people be? I'm sick of the 'any dog can be aggressive' crap. This breed is lethal and should be banned.
Facebook is full of dog shaggers
Its precisely the same bullshit argument gun owners use: you can kill someone with a hammer as well as a gun.
I'd ban pitbulls. They may be fairly low on aggression, but they have the second (?) strongest bite and their instinct is to aim for the face or throat and then lock on. That is an unfortunate combination. On top of this it's a highly popular breed, which increases the chance of it being bought by irresponsible owners. I'd probably ban rottweilers too.
This would probably lead to a much higher bite frequency from breeds like Huskies, German Shepards, Doberman plus some other less popular breeds. Owning these breeds should require a licence.
This would probably lead to a much higher bite frequency from breeds like Huskies, German Shepards, Doberman plus some other less popular breeds. Owning these breeds should require a licence.
Weirdly the only dog that has ever bitten me was a poodle. Horrible little thing that just snapped at me when I was talking to the owner.
Pit bulls are already banned in the UK (doesn’t stop people mix breeding them or just outright ignoring the legislation and owning the pure breeds anyway)
Death by Dachshund, wow
Poodles can be very territorial. My nan took one in yonks ago (it was ungroomed and she thought it was an old English sheepdog) and it was fiercely protective of her, and particularly her handbag. My dad once sat on the armchair she usually sat in and draped his arm over the side, not knowing her handbag was down there. Next thing he knew, the poodle was biting his arm.
Pitbulls have been illegal to own in the UK for years now. There are currently 4 banned breeds in the UK - Pitbull Terrier (bred for bloodsports), Japanese Tosa (bred for bloodsports), Dogo Argentino (bred to hunt large animals) and the Fila Braziliero (also bred for hunting animals like boar and big cats).
The common denominator is that all these dogs were bred for violence and so aggression is a desirable and innate trait. XL Bullies are the same.