Out of control dogs/dog attacks

Solius

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Wasn't sure if this should go as a general discussion or in here but seems like this is becoming more and more of a problem.

In the last few weeks I've read stories of a young boy being killed by a dog called 'Beast'. A woman being killed by dogs whilst walking them and now a 4 year old girl has been killed by one in Milton Keynes.

Surely there needs to be clampdown on dog ownership. Too many absolute twats think they can buy a mean looking dog and just basically neglect it until the inevitable happens. Add that to the fact that there's little to no regulation on breeding or buying/selling it's no wonder the whole thing feels out of control. People still breed pugs that spend their entire lives barely able to breath just because they like the way it looks.

I'd be in favour of some sort of dog ownership license or something.
 
What are the charges like for having a dangerous dog which kills?

Would it come under manslaughter?
 
The problem probably got worse during covid. So many idiots got a dog out of boredom without thinking long term.
 
It's quite clear there needs to be a licence to have a dog and bigger punishment for not having a licence. Its the most simple route.
 
Definitely needs to be controlled. Look how many dogs are in shelters and how many dogs are bred but at the cost of severe health issues. It's disgusting.
 
Just been looking at some of the many previous times this happened and it's so common to see "The owner was banned from having dogs for five years". What the feck is that?

If you are so bad at owning a dog that it ended up literally killing someone you should never be allowed to own an animal again at a bare minimum level of punishment.
 
In 2013 a pregnant mother of four was killed by two pit bulls owned by a bloke who had threatened to set them on social workers a month prior. He got sentenced to 280 hours of unpaid work. It's absolutely insane how inadequate the response is to things like this.

The judge said jail was inappropriate for him given his "personal loss". - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...d-pitbull-type-dangerous-dogs-community-order
 
flameinthesun said:
It's quite clear there needs to be a licence to have a dog and bigger punishment for not having a licence. Its the most simple route.
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People shouldn't need a dog license to own a Chihuahua, Pomeranian or Yorkshire Terrier imo. It's just for potentially dangerous breeds that you should be able to prove that you've got the right history with dogs or that you have indeed followed a training course on how to handle such breeds.

Scandi Red said:
The problem probably got worse during covid. So many idiots got a dog out of boredom without thinking long term.
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Yep, with the added lack of socializing and interaction with strangers when they were pups, as a result of the lockdowns. Recipe for disaster if the owner is clueless on how to teach a dog stuff.
 
Solius said:
Too many absolute twats think they can buy a mean looking dog and just basically neglect it until the inevitable happens.
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See I’m not sure about this. That perpetuates the notion that only mistreated/neglected dogs are potentially dangerous. Yet we keep reading about attacks from a “much loved member of the family” “who wouldn’t hurt a fly”. Seems to me that some breeds of dog are just too dangerous. And even owners who do everything they can to make them less dangerous won’t always be able to stop something terrible happening. Unless they’re super diligent about making sure the dog always wears a muzzle whenever it’s going to be around children and/or adult strangers.
 
Yeah a dog licence would be fantastic for prevention of these situations and for animal welfare in general
 
Solius said:
Just been looking at some of the many previous times this happened and it's so common to see "The owner was banned from having dogs for five years". What the feck is that?

If you are so bad at owning a dog that it ended up literally killing someone you should never be allowed to own an animal again at a bare minimum level of punishment.
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Yeah I've never understood this punishment. Same as when someone kills someone drunk driving or without a licence. "Banned from driving for 3 years". Should be life, agreed.
 
Back in the old days you used to have to have a dog licence, which you bought at the Post Office. However, it was simply a money-making thing, a bit like a TV licence, and your fitness to keep a dog or the type of dog you had was irrelevant.

My own view is that any dog which is a pit bull or a pit bull in disguise (American Bullies) should be banned outright. Pit bulls are already banned in the UK, but the Bully dogs aren't, as of yet. I know other breeds can be dangerous (any dog can be aggressive), but pit bull types have characteristics which make them particularly dangerous. The stats indicate these are the breed most involved in fatal dog attacks.
 
RobinLFC said:
People shouldn't need a dog license to own a Chihuahua, Pomeranian or Yorkshire Terrier imo. It's just for potentially dangerous breeds that you should be able to prove that you've got the right history with dogs or that you have indeed followed a training course on how to handle such breeds.
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I'm of the opinion that a basic course on how to train good behaviour and obedience in dogs, should be mandatory for any dog owner regardless of size. My neighbour has pomeranians. They are not a threat, but they're a bloody nuisance. Because they were never socialised and trained properly, so they bark at any animal or human that gets within visual range. Which is all the time.

However. This is not going to deter those who go and breed/buy dangerous or banned breeds just to look tough. So I'm not sure to what extent it would avert such needless deaths. Some will just flout the law and it'll be difficult to police.
 
Penna said:
My own view is that any dog which is a pit bull or a pit bull in disguise (American Bullies) should be banned outright. Pit bulls are already banned in the UK, but the Bully dogs aren't, as of yet. I know other breeds can be dangerous (any dog can be aggressive), but pit bull types have characteristics which make them particularly dangerous. The stats indicate these are the breed most involved in fatal dog attacks.
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Agreed, this is what I was hinting at.
 
hobbers said:
10 deaths in 2022 is a pretty big jump. 6 of those by XL bullies. More than obvious they just need an outright ban.
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Yep, we cannot rely on council estate drop outs to train their dogs properly. Also, people are passing these dangerous dogs around because they don't want them. Then we end up in a scenario where some 9 stone muppet, is walking the streets with a 7 stone dog of pure muscle and teeth that can crush a skull. The other bit to this which is unsavoury, is that lads breed and raise them to be aggressive and to fight other dogs.

All dogs have to be walked outside. If you go outside, you will invariably meet other people and dogs. If you've raised a dog to be aggressive, then you're fecked, because the dog will go for anything that moves. I see this sort of thing all the time if I ever end up in a city center park. A young lad trying desperately to yank a muscular dog on a lead. If another dog goes over for a sniff, they literally soil themselves, because they don't know what the dog is going to do next, and they probably can't stop it either.
 
Wheato said:
Yep, we cannot rely on council estate drop outs to train their dogs properly. Also, people are passing these dangerous dogs around because they don't want them. Then we end up in a scenario where some 9 stone muppet, is walking the streets with a 7 stone dog of pure muscle and teeth that can crush a skull. The other bit to this which is unsavoury, is that lads breed and raise them to be aggressive and to fight other dogs.

All dogs have to be walked outside. If you go outside, you will invariably meet other people and dogs. If you've raised a dog to be aggressive, then you're fecked, because the dog will go for anything that moves. I see this sort of thing all the time if I ever end up in a city center park. A young lad trying desperately to yank a muscular dog on a lead. If another dog goes over for a sniff, they literally soil themselves, because they don't know what the dog is going to do next, and they probably can't stop it either.
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Apart from my Beagle's terrible recall, this is one of the reasons I get really nervous letting him off the lead. He loves other dogs and he's so sweet so he'll run up to every other dog he sees. I couldn't forgive myself if he got badly attacked by one.
 
Ban all dogs, you don't see cats going around murdering people, do you?
 
If I buy a dog and then give it up to a shelter, is there anything stopping me from buying another dog a couple of weeks later?
 
Pexbo said:
He looks exactly as I imagined. I wouldn’t tire punching that face.
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Yep basically a carbon copy of every other little cnut wearing a puffer jacket hanging around outside an offy.
 
My wife showed me a Tik Tok a couple of weeks ago - two of these bully dogs or whatever they're called, were running about in their front garden, attacking school kids walking past. The guy filming said he'd rung the authorities time and time again about the owners. At one point one of the dogs had a cat by the neck in its mouth, mauling the poor thing. The guy was screaming at the dogs to let the cat go, but obviously there was nothing he could do.
 
Licensing will do little. The correlation between people with dogs that can kill - with ease - and not being on the right side of the law would be staggeringly high. What I don't understand is why any owner whose dog kills is not held accountable, and I mean the dog being an extension of them and them being culpable for any assault or fatality the dog commits and it treated as exactly what you'd get if you'd committed the same acts by your own hand.

The moment acid attacks carried obscene sentences, the spate of assaults with it fell off from what was an ever-increasing apex; exactly the same would happen if dogs were treated as an extension of a human being - your dog kills? You get manslaughter, or murder and all that comes with it. Suddenly, it's not such a shrewd means of weaponisation with nary a consequence anymore, nor do you see the same kind of indifference and neglect, knowing full well if your dog does something dumb, you're losing a chunk of your own life in prison.

Just as with guns and knives, you can't quell all would-be neglectful dog handlers, but you would certainly filter out all but the most hardened who would evaluate the risk vs reward of having that tool by their sides, or in their presence/garden/<insert> and decide against it.
 
Pexbo said:
Easy there Tory boy
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My lips are sealed.

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Solius said:
Wasn't sure if this should go as a general discussion or in here but seems like this is becoming more and more of a problem.

In the last few weeks I've read stories of a young boy being killed by a dog called 'Beast'. A woman being killed by dogs whilst walking them and now a 4 year old girl has been killed by one in Milton Keynes.

Surely there needs to be clampdown on dog ownership. Too many absolute twats think they can buy a mean looking dog and just basically neglect it until the inevitable happens. Add that to the fact that there's little to no regulation on breeding or buying/selling it's no wonder the whole thing feels out of control. People still breed pugs that spend their entire lives barely able to breath just because they like the way it looks.

I'd be in favour of some sort of dog ownership license or something.
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This was unfortunately just a freak incident. They don't exactly know what happened yet and how many of the dogs were responsible or not. Professional dog walker, walking eight dogs and for whatever reason she was attacked, none of them banned breeds. One of the dogs apparently bit another dog walker and then things escalated. One of the dogs was a 11 stone Leonburger, walking that dog on a lead is hard enough let alone 7 other dogs. This incident may well begin a proper licensing into dog walkers as currently there's no license required. You can decide one day to become a dog walker and the next day can be outside with 8 dogs. No training required, no licenses, nothing.

There does need to be proper regulations with dog ownership as we as dog breeding too. It's pretty baffling that there isn't in all honesty.
 
RedSky said:
This was unfortunately just a freak incident. They don't exactly know what happened yet and how many of the dogs were responsible or not. Professional dog walker, walking eight dogs and for whatever reason she was attacked, none of them banned breeds. One of the dogs apparently bit another dog walker and then things escalated. One of the dogs was a 11 stone Leonburger, walking that dog on a lead is hard enough let alone 7 other dogs. This incident may well begin a proper licensing into dog walkers as currently there's no license required. You can decide one day to become a dog walker and the next day can be outside with 8 dogs. No training required, no licenses, nothing.

There does need to be proper regulations with dog ownership as we as dog breeding too. It's pretty baffling that there isn't in all honesty.
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Yeah does seem to be an alarming amount of times where someone has fallen over and the dog has just started attacking them. Quite a few people getting killed by their dogs after having seizures as well.
 
RedSky said:
This was unfortunately just a freak incident. They don't exactly know what happened yet and how many of the dogs were responsible or not. Professional dog walker, walking eight dogs and for whatever reason she was attacked, none of them banned breeds. One of the dogs apparently bit another dog walker and then things escalated. One of the dogs was a 11 stone Leonburger, walking that dog on a lead is hard enough let alone 7 other dogs. This incident may well begin a proper licensing into dog walkers as currently there's no license required. You can decide one day to become a dog walker and the next day can be outside with 8 dogs. No training required, no licenses, nothing.

There does need to be proper regulations with dog ownership as we as dog breeding too. It's pretty baffling that there isn't in all honesty.
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Eight dogs is too many. In Toronto dogwalkers are only supposed to have six dogs on a lead at any one time. Definitely needs more regulation as do breeders.
 
Solius said:
The guy in the first case I mentioned got 4 and a half years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61756876
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Knew that'd be the one when I saw it written in the OP, that's a friend of mines ex-girlfriend. That little cnut too, it's always a certain type of shitbag failing to control an aggressive dog nearly the same size as him. Seen it so many times around where I live.
 
https://people.com/crime/six-year-old-visciously-attacked-by-dog/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/25/us/texas-fatal-dog-attack-arrest/index.html

Another two pit bull attacks over the weekend. This Is the link to the video of the attack referred to in the cnn article:


You need to open it in the app, for some reason the video won’t show on just the web link. Warning: it’s EXTREMELY graphic. He is completely covered in blood- only his face is blurred and one of the pits is literally tearing away chunks of his flesh.

Funny though how EVERY pit bull owner claims their own pit bull is a sweetie pie scared of their own shadow and not like the others, yet attacks like this keep happening so someone must be lying :rolleyes:

If anything it just proves people right though that it’s the dog not the owner if they’ve (allegedly) never even shown an ounce of aggression anyone before but do so out of the blue- just shows that it’s in their nature regardless of if they belong to dog owner of the year.

edit: Here is the video:
 
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I was in Leeds the other weekend and there was a woman (probably late teens/early 20s) who was about 5 foot, sleight and had a staffy that looked like it was genetically modified (absolutely ripped) and the same size as her. Everytime she got close to other people she would stop and wait until they were about 10m away before walking again as if she was terrified to go near anyone with the dog.
 
SilentWitness said:
I was in Leeds the other weekend and there was a woman (probably late teens/early 20s) who was about 5 foot, sleight and had a staffy that looked like it was genetically modified (absolutely ripped) and the same size as her. Everytime she got close to other people she would stop and wait until they were about 10m away before walking again as if she was terrified to go near anyone with the dog.
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Sounds like it lacked myostatin (a protein that prevents double muscle in animals. Google image a dog or cow without myostatin they look like absolute tanks)
 
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