Our transfers beyond Pogba

I think Rojo will feck off and we'll sign another centre-back. Signing Fabinho would be good as well.
 
HabeasC said:
With Schneiderlin and Pogba in front of him, Blind could easily play as our CDM. He's likely defensively a lot better now after his stint at CB and we have enough muscle in front of him to not worry as much about his lack of physicality.

He's still the best passer in our team and will be perfectly placed to complete a balanced midfield.
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No thanks. He's not a very good midfielder.
And he's not the best passer. Carrick is better.
 
If the plan is to play Pogba as the #10/offensive midfielder with two more defensive minded midfielders behind him we need another CM and the Matuidi rumours certainly fits into that scenario. Other than that CB and RB are definitely positions that we could be stronger in. But since we are stocked with players who play in those positions we would probably need to get rid of some deadwood before getting someone.
 
HabeasC said:
With Schneiderlin and Pogba in front of him, Blind could easily play as our CDM. He's likely defensively a lot better now after his stint at CB and we have enough muscle in front of him to not worry as much about his lack of physicality.

He's still the best passer in our team and will be perfectly placed to complete a balanced midfield.
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i can't see us playing with a typical three man midfield like barca as such it's gonna be Morgan/Carrick with Pogba/Herrera beside maybe Pogba will be pushed forward into the ten role at times but I'd really like to see Matuidi at the club for his energy levels alone!
 
Matuidi and Fabinho to come in.

De Gea(Romero)

Valencia(Darmian) Smalling(Jones) Bailly(Blind) Shaw(Rojo)

Fabinho (Carrick)

Matuidi (Herrera) Pogba (Schneiderlin)

Mkhi (Mata) Martial (Depay)

Zlatan(Rashford)

Extra: Lingard, Fellaini, Rooney.

The rest on loan or sold.

Very strong first eleven and decent squad options as well particularly in midfield and attack.
 
Speak said:
No thanks. He's not a very good midfielder.
And he's not the best passer. Carrick is better.
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Carrick does not pass the ball forwards as well as Blind does. He hasn't had the midfield around him to let him thrive there.

With two stronger MFs next to him plus his added strength he's put on in the last year, I think he would thrive.

Whether Mourinho would try it is another matter.

Playing Pogba in a MF 2 would be such a waste. Look how poor he was for France when he was so far back. Schneiderlin also isn't the most defensive of CMs. We need someone to sit back, spray and tackle which is what Blind could do well.
 
HabeasC said:
Carrick does not pass the ball forwards as well as Blind does. He hasn't had the midfield around him to let him thrive there.

With two stronger MFs next to him plus his added strength he's put on in the last year, I think he would thrive.

Whether Mourinho would try it is another matter.

Playing Pogba in a MF 2 would be such a waste. Look how poor he was for France when he was so far back. Schneiderlin also isn't the most defensive of CMs. We need someone to sit back, spray and tackle which is what Blind could do well.
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Not sure if serious? Carrick is about the only player we have that sees and makes forward passes from the back third through to the 10/an advanced midfielder. If he had the legs these days he'd still be our best midfielder.

Blind has a wonderful Long ball and the eye for it, but he doesn't make the same simple but decisive passes through the lines that carrick does. we play infinitely better out the back with carrick sitting in front of the defense. The only problem is he's too easy to mark out of the game at this point in his career.
 
HabeasC said:
Carrick does not pass the ball forwards as well as Blind does. He hasn't had the midfield around him to let him thrive there.

With two stronger MFs next to him plus his added strength he's put on in the last year, I think he would thrive.

Whether Mourinho would try it is another matter.

Playing Pogba in a MF 2 would be such a waste. Look how poor he was for France when he was so far back. Schneiderlin also isn't the most defensive of CMs. We need someone to sit back, spray and tackle which is what Blind could do well.
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That's the one thing Carrick does better - zip it low/hard between the lines into feet. He passes better via one/two-touch passing too. He gets the ball out of his feet better, which allows for smoother passing.
Blind's main passing asset is his long ball over the top.

And Blind's passing game is better from defence than from midfield. In defence, he has time and space to receive simple passes and make his own passes. In midfield, he doesn't.

People are (and will likely remain) desperate for him to be some deep-lying master, but he just isn't one. Not at the highest level.
 
Do you all feel Fàbregas has better defensive abilities to play as an #8 in Mourinho's 4-2-3-1 than Pogba? If not, why are most people thinking Pogba will be #10 here? I know United doesn't have an Oscar (besides Mkhitaryan, perhaps) to play in front of Pogba, but…

Another funny thing: keep seeing a Team 3 here. Mourinho won't have 30 outfield players training, that's for sure. I'm pretty certain he aims for only 23, but I thought being United and all, with its youth policy, he would accept maximum 26, but now not even that.
 
@Speak @ATXRedDevil I'm surprised you're both not rating Blind's ability to zip through balls. That's probably the best asset of his passing. I'd say Carrick is more secure and reliable in his short passing and so might make more sense as a CDM because he doesn't give the ball away as much.

However, in terms of forward passing Blind beats Carrick for me. Watch the vid below...



Obviously it is a highlight vid so is not entirely indicative, but some of the passing forward by Blind shown is phenomenal. I'm a huge Carrick fan, but for me Blind is a better passer when it comes to adventurous forward passing although Carrick is more reliable when it comes to shorter passing. Even then, Carrick overall has not been playing at a level which would suggest he should be in the starting team.

With regards the point about time on the ball, arguably Blind would still be the deepest midfielder and so as long as he can shake off the attention of the pressing striker, he will have a fair amount of time on the ball. Pogba and Schneiderlin would have less time.
 
HabeasC said:
@Speak @ATXRedDevil I'm surprised you're both not rating Blind's ability to zip through balls. That's probably the best asset of his passing. I'd say Carrick is more secure and reliable in his short passing and so might make more sense as a CDM because he doesn't give the ball away as much.

However, in terms of forward passing Blind beats Carrick for me. Watch the vid below...



Obviously it is a highlight vid so is not entirely indicative, but some of the passing forward by Blind shown is phenomenal. I'm a huge Carrick fan, but for me Blind is a better passer when it comes to adventurous forward passing although Carrick is more reliable when it comes to shorter passing. Even then, Carrick overall has not been playing at a level which would suggest he should be in the starting team.

With regards the point about time on the ball, arguably Blind would still be the deepest midfielder and so as long as he can shake off the attention of the pressing striker, he will have a fair amount of time on the ball. Pogba and Schneiderlin would have less time.
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Never doubt Blind's ability, but Carrick's passing ranger is longer.
 
Love Daily Blind. I hope there's room for him in this Super United squad Jose's putting together. Blind put a lot of graft in during a period where few did themselves any favours. He deserves a chance. He's earned it. And you'd think he'd be great under Mourinho.
 
If Blind learns to switch off his "dog chasing bone" mode,he would be way more useful.Also think that opinions from pre start of last season,about him being find out when it comes to strong attackers,kept rolling turning into myth.
 
There is 3 positions i still have doubts about.

CB: A good ball playing defender is what we need. Bailly is not the answer to that and we all know about Smalling's techincal level.

RB: Darmian was a huge disappointment last year. Valencia did well, but you can't help feel he lacks a defenders instincts.

CM: With Pogba coming, a 4-3-3 would fit best, as he is best utilised when he have freedom to join attack. Carrick/Bastian/Blind are all capable of playing the pivot role. Between those two roles i think we need a box-to-box with good defensive skills but also with some attacking qualities. Schneiderlin could potentially do the role, but last year he didn't show much going forward, so i'm not sure about him. Kante would have been perfect.

I would be fine with just a CB more this window though.
 
Our back three is a joke IMO. We must sign atleast a very experienced CB in order to challenge for the title, but I don't who that could be. any suggestions?
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
There is 3 positions i still have doubts about.

CB: A good ball playing defender is what we need. Bailly is not the answer to that and we all know about Smalling's techincal level.

RB: Darmian was a huge disappointment last year. Valencia did well, but you can't help feel he lacks a defenders instincts.

CM: With Pogba coming, a 4-3-3 would fit best, as he is best utilised when he have freedom to join attack. Carrick/Bastian/Blind are all capable of playing the pivot role. Between those two roles i think we need a box-to-box with good defensive skills but also with some attacking qualities. Schneiderlin could potentially do the role, but last year he didn't show much going forward, so i'm not sure about him. Kante would have been perfect.

I would be fine with just a CB more this window though.
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CB:How many of Jose's most successful teams had a ball playing defender at CB? It's not a necessity and as long as our defenders keep the ball out of our net, i'm sure Jose will be happy. Besides, from what i've seen of Bailly, he seems rather composed on the ball.

RB:Fully agree on Valencia's defensive instincts although I certainly think he can do a job there and play 30plus games in all competitions. I would also like an extra RB but i'm not overly bothered as Darmian could thrive under Mourinho. We still have Utility-Man Jones and TFM if Darmian doesn't perform.

CM:Agree on CM aswell. Kante would have been perfect for us. Jose favours the 4-2-1-3 and Kante&Schneiderlin behind Pogba would have been the perfect midfield three. Hope we can pick up a solid defensive midfielder before the window closes. Don't think we need a specific player in the pivot role and simply 2 solid Box-Box behind Pogba would be perfect imo.

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Darmian/new RB---Bailly/Jones-----Smalling-------------Shaw

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Mikhi----------------------Zlatan--------------------Martial
 
I have a feeling we'll get Matuidi alongside Pogba, especially if the Schweini rumours are true.

TBH I would rather see Matuidi as Pogba's partner than Herrera.
 
Matuidi and Pogba in a midfield 2 is a disaster. Matuidi isnt a holding one and Pogba gets stiffled offensively, Matuidi's runs too by the way. I dont see how that would benefit anyone, bar of course our overrated captain. Rooney needs benched, and Schneiderlin should free up the other two.
 
izec said:
Matuidi and Pogba in a midfield 2 is a disaster. Matuidi isnt a holding one and Pogba gets stiffled offensively, Matuidi's runs too by the way. I dont see how that would benefit anyone, bar of course our overrated captain. Rooney needs benched, and Schneiderlin should free up the other two.
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I've just realised in posting re. Matuidi that it would have been a midfield two.

In this case it looks cert. that Carrick/Schneiderlin would compliment Pogba? Because Herrera isn't holding either & Rooney will certainly start as a number 10.

So we'll start off with: Schneiderlin(Carrick), Pogba, Rooney

and after 2-3 months change to: Schneiderlin (Carrick), Pogba, Herrera/Mata.

Still think we need a RB regardless, on another note.
 
VP89 said:
I have a feeling we'll get Matuidi alongside Pogba, especially if the Schweini rumours are true.

TBH I would rather see Matuidi as Pogba's partner than Herrera.
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Doesnt Matuidi play the #10/advanced midfield role in a midfield 3 for PSG?
 
RDCR07 said:
Doesnt Matuidi play the #10/advanced midfield role in a midfield 3 for PSG?
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I thought he plays in a box to box role? IF he signed for us it certainly wouldn't be as an advanced midfielder. We have Mkhitaryan/Rooney/Mata who can all play that role when called upon as it is (aside from Herrera, but I don't rate him as
a top CM let alone no.10).

In either case, for 25m it might just be worth a punt.
 
HabeasC said:
With Schneiderlin and Pogba in front of him, Blind could easily play as our CDM. He's likely defensively a lot better now after his stint at CB and we have enough muscle in front of him to not worry as much about his lack of physicality.

He's still the best passer in our team and will be perfectly placed to complete a balanced midfield.
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That'd be quite an interesting one I haven't seen yet.
Then Schneidy could fulfil a similar role to his Southampton time, where he isn't necessarily the all out defensive guy.

Chances of it actually happening must surely be low though. Can't see Rooney losing out for starters. Not early on.
 
Zelalem said:
Our back three is a joke IMO. We must sign atleast a very experienced CB in order to challenge for the title, but I don't who that could be. any suggestions?
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I'm presuming you mean centre backs, as we don't play a back three.

A joke?
Smalling, one of the standout defenders last year?
Bailly, signed by Mourinho himself, with great potential.
Jones, who there seems to be a myth about that he's a sh!t player. When in reality he's played pretty well when fit, which he barely ever is being the actual problem.
Blind played beyond all our expectations there last season too, although I wouldn't dream of playing him there often myself.
 
Jig1234 said:
Man City are close to securing Sané, Moreno & Gabriel Jesus.

For me this tips them ahead of us if they land Stones. As they have addressed the weak area.

Even if we secure Pogba I think we'd have a very strong XI but still a weak squad.

So many players in the current squad that probably aren't good enough and won't offer us anything.

RB - Darmian has not convinced. Valencia is tragic. Fosu-Mensah still looks like a midfielder playing out of position. Fabinho needed.

CM - Even with Pogba brought in not sold that our central midfield is all that. Carrick & Schweinsteiger are aging have no legs to run a midfield and are injury prone.

Blind has a fantastic eye for a pass but even he is not very mobile. Herrera-Schneiderlin are promising and talent but I don't think they proved they can replace Carrick yet.

What people fail to realise with Pogba is he needs world class players around him. He has never ran a midfield he is used to having Pirlo, Vidal, Khedira, Marchisio etc.

He is going to have a much weaker partner next to him. I think we need someone like Blaise Matuidi to get the best out of Pogba.

CB - Rojo/Jones should not be at United they are both terrible. Some talk of Bonucci. I'd welcome it.

RW - This goes back to the RB is some ways. Our RB/RM/RW. The right side of our team is considerably weak. Yes we have Mata & Mkhitaryan who both operate as false wingers or no.10's.

Where I think we'll struggle is when you look at the options beyond them two. Martial is explosive with pace will take on his man with Shaw behind him. That side looks exciting.

Contrast that to the RB/RW. I think this is where we very weak. Lingard, Young, Memphis - Are not going to offer us any consistency they are three players I doubt any of them made your fantasy league team. Young sometimes decent cross on him. Lingard decent squad player. Memphis does not look like he can handle life at Man Utd.

Not sure what Memphis' position is. No.10.ST or LW looks weak and clueless in all three.

Point is beyond Mata/Mkhitaryan we don't have someone who can change a winger on the right with pace. Januzaj for me is actually a better bet than all three of those.

I think we need a Draxler or Mahrez. To match the excitement of the left side.

I think addressing these areas will be critical if we wish to mount a serious title challenge. We need to offload certain players who will simply make up the numbers and offer limited amount.
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It depends on what Mourinho can do with some of the better players, and go from there since VG short changed so many players. I feel Jose will need 2 summers to fully undo the damage the clueless one moyes and the stubborn one VG have done in the 3 summers, VG may have signed some good players mourinho could improve, and bringing through what a special talent rashford is, because he could be a huge weapon for us, more than some realise. While I agree with carrick and Schweinsteiger, would like to see more of herrera and Schneiderlin can do alongside pogba in a 433. I think come 2017/18 comes, jose mourinho will have hopefully have added depth to the defence, a midfield with good partnerships and settled in. If Herrera and Schneiderlin do become a hit under mourinho, pogba is a hit and if he comes, rashford I would expect almost certain becoming our no9 allot of the time our team is going to be a real dominating threat, don't agree with matuidi, doubt he is someone which is better than what we have got. So I would say its 2 summers then we will have a squad for certain that is a threat, still lingard and memphis also could be very effective under mourinho. think out wide we have some effective options, and in Martial and Mkhitaryan are going to be first choice wingers supporting zlaten, and who ever is used in the attacking position
 
the unknown one. said:
Matuidi and Fabinho to come in.

De Gea(Romero)

Valencia(Darmian) Smalling(Jones) Bailly(Blind) Shaw(Rojo)

Fabinho (Carrick)

Matuidi (Herrera) Pogba (Schneiderlin)

Mkhi (Mata) Martial (Depay)

Zlatan(Rashford)

Extra: Lingard, Fellaini, Rooney.

The rest on loan or sold.

Very strong first eleven and decent squad options as well particularly in midfield and attack.
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Can't see us getting Pog, Matuidi and Fab this window. Though I'd be glad if we did.

Happy with that on paper, though 6 new players in the starting 11 could be hard to bed in. In the near future I'd like another cb and striker to boot.
 
I really hope we can add another two players.

A Rightback and Mahrez.

CB can wait until next summer when we are hopefully back in the CL.

I think it is reliant on us shifting a fee players, which appears to be proving difficult.
 
HabeasC said:
I'm a huge Carrick fan, but for me Blind is a better passer when it comes to adventurous forward passing although Carrick is more reliable when it comes to shorter passing.
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I really like Blind but Carrick's range of passing is greater. I will say that he hasn't shown much of it in the last few seasons under LVG.

 
HabeasC said:
With Schneiderlin and Pogba in front of him, Blind could easily play as our CDM. He's likely defensively a lot better now after his stint at CB and we have enough muscle in front of him to not worry as much about his lack of physicality.

He's still the best passer in our team and will be perfectly placed to complete a balanced midfield.
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I want to see Blind given a chance as a CDM too, he has sexy passing and vision. Every time I watch him play he never fails to come up with a couple of those 'wow' passes where you wonder how he pulls them off. Not to mention that at the beginning of his United career he did very well in midfield.
 
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