Our Rivals' squads next year - Manchester City (2016/2017)

No, I get the rationale behind why City have been pursuing the strategy, my issue is that the players you bought won't actually get enough chances to actually develop to their best. Even if there was all the will in the world for these players to develop, the space in the team just isn't there.

Kelechi is fecked because you have bought (or will buy) Moreno and Jesus who operate best in his position. That is two comparable talents who are of a similar age and profile. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there is a big chance all three won't develop to their best because the one thing a young player needs to develop their game fully is game time. If you are committing to develop these players, they won't get that game time. If you choose to loan them out, then a loan to continental Europe (in the case of Moreno) or a loanback to the selling club (Jesus) is pointless if the goal is to develop these players into first team footballers in the Prem.

Plus, as we've seen over the years, developing young players is not a definite science. Kids' development can ebb and flow, and with you buying all those players, I'm just not sure how they will all develop with there being so many to compete for four positions on the pitch (at the most). I understand the argument that increased competition drives up standards, but the equally valid argument is that of the opportunity cost: giving chances to one kid in one match, is at the expense of another, with around 2 kids per position competing for games, it'll eventually come to a point where the development of all of the kids will stall if in the likely event that all of the kids are at a similar standard because the game time is essentially shared between the three.
As far as I'm aware Moreno seems predominantly a winger, can play anywhere across the top but for his current club is out wide, presume we'd have him in a similar position. Kelechi's original position was behind the striker, so he is able to operate both those roles effectively. Still not sure why this means he's fecked, yes the guys we've bought are expected to become very good... But Kelechi himself isn't exactly a slouch, I'd say he's currently outperforming the guys we've bought, last season his goal scoring record was incredible, I see no reason for him to get knocked down the pecking order by them unless they prove themselves to be better.

I agree in general though, there are clearly more names on the list than there are positions on the pitch, I imagine Pep will have his favourites after he's spent months working with them & they will be the ones to get the game time. Some may end up like Gotze, unused & moved on. Is that a bad thing for City? Not necessarily, if we're moving some on it's likely because the others have nailed down their spots.
 
I feel like Pep hasn't plugged all the holes that needed to be plugged, even if Stones ends up there. They need at least one more full back and one more midfielder surely? Fernando is shit and Yaya can't be arsed anymore. Probably need a keeper too. Maybe Pep's gonna shift some players around? Perhaps Delph & the Fernando twins to full back and Silva to a deeper midfield role?

They're signing some great prospects tbf but I reckon the first team needs a bit more.
 
He blames Evra for absolutely everything and takes only a token amount of responsibility. He also paints himself as a victim of the evil English Media throughout, as if he's some kind of innocent party who was completely undeserving of the criticism. There's some interesting bits here and there, and yes his relationship with his wife is quite special. He's an absolutely brilliant player, there can be no doubting that, my favourite player around at the moment in terms of pure performances.

I really don't think it is, though. I agree that it's all mostly in fun spirit, but behind all of that there's clearly a colossal ego and that makes him a very unlikable player. I don't think his comments are all for a media show either, he's made them to his fellow players as well. He always takes over at clubs, and has to become the centre of attention. A club can become a sideshow to Ibrahimovic very easily, especially when he makes the sort of comments he made at PSG. You find his personality endearing which is fair enough, but personally I find him extremely self obsessive and rather trashy. It's just a difference in opinion, I suppose.

Guardiola had his rules, he was strict. He didn't want players going on an ego trip, for him team work is absolutely everything, at the core of his ethos. Hence the car rule, it helps prevent petty squabbles over who has the most expensive toy and creates a sense of equality around the club. He's a control freak no doubt, but when his players buy in to his methods they win, simple as that. At Barcelona - players like Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets...they are perfect for this, they listen, they aren't egomaniacs. Pep is like a Headmaster, he is in full control. Ibrahimovic had more authority than the manager at PSG, that could never happen with Guardiola.

Ibrahimovic is a brilliant player at league level, but in Europe he's always flattered to deceive. In big games, he often seems to just float around and offer very little in terms of effort, it can be incredibly frustrating even for a neutral to watch. He's failed in too many big European games to call it a coincidence, and it will forever be a mark on his career. He was also very poor against Chelsea despite his goal and invisible against a poor City side. In fact, his record against English sides has actually been horrible throughout his entire career. It's not even the European games either, even in Serie A he struggled against top sides, with 1 goal in 9 games against Juventus. As for his Madrid goal...that was the only 1 he scored against them in 5 matches.

Ribery's brilliant, but he showed some of his true attitude under Pep. He's clearly not the player he was and struggled badly with injuries, and he took his frustrations out on the manager. Domenech called him a 'diva' too, he has a few attitude issues and it showed under Pep. It won't be tolerated whilst he is manager. Eto'o also fell out with Mourinho at Chelsea by the way. For top managers like these, it's inevitable that you're going to have a few players who throw a strop.

Iniesta? Weird example. VERY weird example. He's absolutely fantastic in the big games, for club & country. Honestly, I'm struggling to think of a better big game player. You're talking about a guy who was man of the match in the Champions League final against Juventus, in a Euro's final and a World Cup final. He's the only man ever to have done this. You won't find a better player for the big occasions than Iniesta - he's actually the perfect example of a quiet, reserved player who concentrates on his

Nice text, well thought out! I'm no scout, but i think that's a like! :)

Going reverse and taking on the biggest case: Iniesta is a big game player, absolutely. You stated this:
'Usually the ones who are a bit quieter and do their talking on the pitch, like Lahm & Messi. Funnily enough, these players are often the best in the 'big matches.'
You put in the word 'usually', nevertheless i mentioned that Eto'o who's a different kettle of fish is for me also a big game player. My intention wasn't to discredit Andres Iniesta in any possible way, i simply disagreed that in my point of view it's impossible to generalize that in most cases big game player and 'calm', 'schoolboy' go hand in hand. So i guess it was just a misunderstanding, these things can heat up quickly, therefore i felt the urgent need to put things to bed early. No problem!

The problem with Ribery is indeed his fitness level. Now the question arises who's to blame? I have often heard that Guardiola wants some fellow country men around, some of them use i say 'controversial' methods. Guardiola doesn't want to waste any time, he wants his stars fresh for the matches, because of the pressure it's a bit unfair to blame the man, Ferguson and Rooney (~2010) comes to mind...anyway the alleged treatment with cortisone for Thiago who was the receiver 'backfired'. Ribery is a bit of a cnut, i do remember the story with Gourcuff. But only looking at this abilities, he's one of the best around despite bad mouthing a lot of people. All he needs his love...

Turning to Ibrahimovic, it's quite a task to come to terms with each other. In my view he did well against Chelsea. Was commanding, demanding, all over the place: he stepped it up when his team needed him most, imo. I don't remember him that good back in Juventus Turin, i guess in the end it's agree to disagree. For the record, the aformentioned Eto'o had his moments, as far as it's comparable, maybe even better moments, but i don't want to label Ibrahimovic 'poor', that would be too harsh, imo.

...'but when his players buy in to his methods they win, simple as that.'
Most of the Bayern players (clearly not Ribery :lol: ) were sorry that Guardiola didn't want to continue with the project. I can only speculate but guys like Boateng must have been deep in his pockets. The problem is, since the Spaniard had taken over the German powerhouse, from now on the semis had become nightmares. Before the so called 'hispanization' Bayern weren't used to getting outclassed (yeah the one odd Barca game, but the exception proves the rule). Point is, Bayern lost the game against Real (at home) because Guardiola changed tactics, he said it himself. Against Barca he always wanted to go forward, no good clearance and goal. Against Atletico he changed the linup, brought in Bernat (who was part of the reason why it didn't work out against Barca) and benched the leader Muller and Kimmich who was playing top notch. Especially this defeat is on him and him alone. So he doesn't always win, no, three times he lost in the semis with one of the best teams in the world. His overall setup is above average, he's a good coach, though, but he loses like every other manager. I don't know whether you watched the series 'Gomorrha', but this Pep isn't immortal. Yeah, you never stated that he is, but his methods aren't unbeatable.

The comment about Eto'o's age were a brain fart. Mourinho should have known better, especially with some sensitive guy like Eto'o. Nevertheless after i saw his celebration (performing the old man after scoring a goal) i think things weren't thad bad. Sometimes the going gets tough in a relationship but it doesn't mean that it's all over. I think they get along as good as always, but i could be wrong, just speculating.

Thank you for your personal insight of the Suarez book. I do think Evra made a meal of it, but Suarez should take some of the blame. Totally biased is way too simple, but i will look into it sooner rather than later. :)

I wondered why i didn't get into discussions for a short while, now ;) it's been nothing but a joy, sir.

Regards!
 
Most of the Bayern players (clearly not Ribery :lol: ) were sorry that Guardiola didn't want to continue with the project. I can only speculate but guys like Boateng must have been deep in his pockets. The problem is, since the Spaniard had taken over the German powerhouse, from now on the semis had become nightmares. Before the so called 'hispanization' Bayern weren't used to getting outclassed (yeah the one odd Barca game, but the exception proves the rule). Point is, Bayern lost the game against Real (at home) because Guardiola changed tactics, he said it himself. Against Barca he always wanted to go forward, no good clearance and goal. Against Atletico he changed the linup, brought in Bernat (who was part of the reason why it didn't work out against Barca) and benched the leader Muller and Kimmich who was playing top notch. Especially this defeat is on him and him alone. So he doesn't always win, no, three times he lost in the semis with one of the best teams in the world. His overall setup is above average, he's a good coach, though, but he loses like every other manager. I don't know whether you watched the series 'Gomorrha', but this Pep isn't immortal. Yeah, you never stated that he is, but his methods aren't unbeatable.


Regards!

I'll leave the discussion there, just so we don't clog up this thread, but it's been very interesting and you've made some excellent points. :)

I will say though that I never have thought of Guardiola as unbeatable. His methods can be countered, just like every method. It's the beauty of football, there is no one way to play the game, no one way to coach the players. Every side is different and has it's own identity. I do think he's an excellent coach though, who's methods will bring success in any team willing to listen to him. Of course he's made mistakes, he's still a young manager who is learning, but I am confident he will be a success at City. I also believe he'll create the foundation of a side that can be successful in the future, rather than just under his management.
 
I don't get Ribery though.

Pep played Ribery everytime he was healthy. It's not like he was Mario Gotze and got constantly benched....

Problem was that when Pep tookover, so many key players became so injury prone and their key offensive players ala Robbery became older.
 
Best team in the league so far (on the paper)

You can see the good job of people like soriano and beguiristan in the player recruitment
 
One injury in midfield and hey are in the shits.
I like the look of their attack. So much strength in depth and filled with skillful players. Aguero, Moreno, Sterling, Jesus, Kelechi are all good at running at players.
We have only two, Martial and Rashford. That's nowhere near enough. I really hope we're not done in the transfer window.
 
One injury in midfield and hey are in the shits.
I like the look of their attack. So much strength in depth and filled with skillful players. Aguero, Moreno, Sterling, Jesus, Kelechi are all good at running at players.
We have only two, Martial and Rashford. That's nowhere near enough. I really hope we're not done in the transfer window.

Yeah I really think we need another CM. I'd love Kroos but can't see it happening. If Gundogan keeps fit him and Fernandinho could be a very effective partnership, full of running and both effective at either end of the pitch. Toure I suppose is still very good ON the ball and will retain possession as well as anyone else so he can play a role in the squad, I wouldn't fancy him starting regularly though.
 
Best team in the league so far (on the paper)

You can see the good job of people like soriano and beguiristan in the player recruitment

Cech > Hart
Bellerin > Sagna
Koscielny > Kompany
Mertersacker > Otamendi
Monreal > Clichy

Ramsey = De Bruyne
Xhaka > Fernando
Elneny < Fernandinho
Alexis > Nolito

Ozil > Silva

Giroud <<< Aguero

Except from Fernandinho, Aguero and possibly De Bruyne none of their players would get in the Arsenal team so City are nowhere near the best team in the league.
 
Your're underrating de Bruyne overall anyway, but at RW it's almost as much a no-contest as Giroud - Aguero. And the problem is at the sharp end City have 3 players who are among the best i the PL - Aguero, Silva, de Bruyne, they have a competent midfield in terms of preotection of the back 4. They need to cut out individual errors that the back 4 is prone to though. Haven't they bought another CB?


Oh, and Gundogan. He shits on both Arsenal CMs.
 
Best team in the league so far (on the paper)

You can see the good job of people like soriano and beguiristan in the player recruitment

They have a good attack but their defense and midfield is mediocre at best.

Midfield:

Fernando - Average
Yaya - Good on the day. Moody. How will he fit Pep's system? At Barca he sold him when he was much younger.
Fernandinho - Good.
Gundogan - Injury prone potentially excellent player. Will he survive the physicality of the premier league? When will he return from injury anyway?

Defense:

Kolorov - Trash
Clichy - Average
Mangala - Train wreck
Otamendi - Ranges from average to good.
Kompany - Excellent. Injury prone.
Zabaletta - Used to be good back in the day.
Sagna - Good.

Attack -

Aguero - World class when fit
Bony - mid table
Iniicannotspell - Young striker. Potentially excellent.
Silva - Used to be world class. Still a good player.
De Bryune - Excellent
Sane - Apparently has world class potential.
Nasri - Uninterested.
Sterling - ????
Navas - Lots of pace. Average at everything else.

Jesus and Moreno won't join them immediately.

Chelsea and Arsenal both have a much better squad than City's. They have been busy collecting attackers when they need a couple of defenders and another good midfielder.
 
Cech > Hart
Bellerin > Sagna
Koscielny > Kompany
Mertersacker > Otamendi
Monreal > Clichy

Ramsey = De Bruyne
Xhaka > Fernando
Elneny < Fernandinho
Alexis > Nolito

Ozil > Silva

Giroud <<< Aguero

Except from Fernandinho, Aguero and possibly De Bruyne none of their players would get in the Arsenal team so City are nowhere near the best team in the league.


You're of your head if you think De Bruyne is on par with Ramsey. And by that I mean De Bruyne would walk in to your team. The rest yea, pretty much. Though, I'd have fit Kompany too. Problem is he never is.
 
Cech > Hart
Bellerin > Sagna
Koscielny > Kompany
Mertersacker > Otamendi
Monreal > Clichy

Ramsey = De Bruyne
Xhaka > Fernando
Elneny < Fernandinho
Alexis > Nolito

Ozil > Silva

Giroud <<< Aguero

Except from Fernandinho, Aguero and possibly De Bruyne none of their players would get in the Arsenal team so City are nowhere near the best team in the league.

cech> Hart
Bellerin> sagna
Koscielny <Kompany
Mertesaker<Otamendi
Monreal> clichy

Ramsey> De Byrne
Xhaka<Gundogan
Elneny <Fernandinho
Sanchez> Nolito

Ozli <Silva (if fit)

Giroud <Aguero


Wenger <<Guardiola
 
Cech > Hart
Bellerin > Sagna
Koscielny > Kompany
Mertersacker > Otamendi
Monreal > Clichy

Ramsey = De Bruyne
Xhaka > Fernando
Elneny < Fernandinho
Alexis > Nolito

Ozil > Silva

Giroud <<< Aguero

Except from Fernandinho, Aguero and possibly De Bruyne none of their players would get in the Arsenal team so City are nowhere near the best team in the league.
I'm expecting City to line up like this

----------------------Aguero-------------------------
Nolito---------de bruyne-------sane /silva
-------gundogan-----fernandinho-----------

Arsenal from the players you chose could line up with this

----------------------giroud---------------------------
Sanchez------------ozil----------------ramsey
---------xhaka---------------elneny---------------

So when we compare players in similar positions now

Gundogan>xhaka
Fernandinho>elneny
Nolito<<Sanchez
Kdb=ozil
Sane/silva=Ramsey
Aguero>>>giroud

So overall I feel City are better in midfield and attack. Arsenal have a better defense and keeper.
 
You lot are off your heads if you'd take Ramsey over KdB. Too much sentiment left over from the Euros I suppose.
 
Alright alright so hes not third best in the world grand overstatement by me. Sorry.

Strikers i would consider better than Aguero? There are many. No particular order:

Saurez
Neymar
Messi
Benzema
Ronaldo
Higuain
Lewandowski
Aubameyang
Ibrahimovic.

Recently seen a video of 'el emperador' Adriano back in 2005...these type of strikers were on a different level, mhh.

Anyway i think it's controversial to state that Aubameyang is better than Aguero, for me a very good season isn't good enough.

I can agree on the rest. :)
How on Earth is 34 year old Zlatan better than prime Aguero??? Zlatan would do well to score 15 Premier league goals at his age where as Aguero scored 24 in 29 starts. How many would he bag playing for PSG in Ligue 1? perhaps the 40's. Benzema isn't a bigger threat than Aguero. If United played against Benzema or Aguero, I know who is more likely to score.Aguero as he often scores against cities rivals and always does us. Higuain?? the man we criticise as he has fluffed big games. Well Aguero ALWAYS scores in the big games so I don't know how Higuain is better. Ask Barcelona, Man Utd, Arsenal etc who have all been victim to Aguero individual brilliance. Aubameyang??? Bich please. Lewandowski??? Again I don't see how he is better. The one who plays in arguably the roughest league in terms of closing down, intensity, physicality, is Kun and yet he has completed more dribbles than all (excluding the obvious, Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo). Kun plays for the 4th placed team and has to carry them despite multiple injuries. DO you not think if he plays for the top team in a 1 or 2 team league, he would annihilate it? This is bullshit list and based on biased because Kun plays for City which if course I can completely understand.....
 
How on Earth is 34 year old Zlatan better than prime Aguero??? Zlatan would do well to score 15 Premier league goals at his age where as Aguero scored 24 in 29 starts. How many would he bag playing for PSG in Ligue 1? perhaps the 40's. Benzema isn't a bigger threat than Aguero. If United played against Benzema or Aguero, I know who is more likely to score.Aguero as he often scores against cities rivals and always does us. Higuain?? the man we criticise as he has fluffed big games. Well Aguero ALWAYS scores in the big games so I don't know how Higuain is better. Ask Barcelona, Man Utd, Arsenal etc who have all been victim to Aguero individual brilliance. Aubameyang??? Bich please. Lewandowski??? Again I don't see how he is better. The one who plays in arguably the roughest league in terms of closing down, intensity, physicality, is Kun and yet he has completed more dribbles than all (excluding the obvious, Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo). Kun plays for the 4th placed team and has to carry them despite multiple injuries. DO you not think if he plays for the top team in a 1 or 2 team league, he would annihilate it? This is bullshit list and based on biased because Kun plays for City which if course I can completely understand.....
Mate Aguero is not and never has been in the top 5 strikers in the world. Shrieking violet on the international stage and injured for half of the seasons he plays in. He is fantastic, perhaps one of the best at one stage but where was he when City needed a biost last season to push for the title.
 
Mate Aguero is not and never has been in the top 5 strikers in the world. Shrieking violet on the international stage and injured for half of the seasons he plays in. He is fantastic, perhaps one of the best at one stage but where was he when City needed a biost last season to push for the title.
He was won the title with them twice in five seasons including scoring the title winning goal..........

EDIT: and his international goal record is better than Lewandowki's. Who missed the crucial chances for Argentina, costing them World Cup and Copa America gold? I think it was Higuain you know
 
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They've got a really good attacking squad, but honestly their attack wasn't their issue last season.

That defence and midfield is where the main problems were, without a fit Kompany, and with two aging full backs they conceded too many goals.
 
Cech > Hart
Bellerin > Sagna
Koscielny > Kompany
Mertersacker > Otamendi
Monreal > Clichy

Ramsey = De Bruyne
Xhaka > Fernando
Elneny < Fernandinho
Alexis > Nolito

Ozil > Silva

Giroud <<< Aguero

Except from Fernandinho, Aguero and possibly De Bruyne none of their players would get in the Arsenal team so City are nowhere near the best team in the league.
KDB is better than Ramsey
 
These comparisions of individual players are a speculative and generally unrelaible way to measure the relative quality of teams. Teams are more than mere collections of players. Otherwise, Atleti wouldn's stand a chance vs Barca, Real and Bayern.
 
Cech > Hart
Bellerin > Sagna
Koscielny > Kompany
Mertersacker > Otamendi
Monreal > Clichy

Ramsey = De Bruyne
Xhaka > Fernando
Elneny < Fernandinho
Alexis > Nolito

Ozil > Silva

Giroud <<< Aguero

Except from Fernandinho, Aguero and possibly De Bruyne none of their players would get in the Arsenal team so City are nowhere near the best team in the league.
Ramsey on par with KDB fecking hell :lol:
 
Cech > Hart
Bellerin > Sagna
Koscielny > Kompany
Mertersacker > Otamendi
Monreal > Clichy

Ramsey = De Bruyne
Xhaka > Fernando
Elneny < Fernandinho
Alexis > Nolito

Ozil > Silva

Giroud <<< Aguero

Except from Fernandinho, Aguero and possibly De Bruyne none of their players would get in the Arsenal team so City are nowhere near the best team in the league.

Your logic is great. So as you deem Koscielny better than Kompany that means the latter cannot play as the other CB? Any combined XI would have them two as the CBs 100%. Ramsey on par with de Bruyne, not quite mate. It wouldn't be Fernando in midfield but Gundogan, whose better than Xhaka. Besides, as long as you have Wenger in charge, you're not winning the league anyway.
 
How on Earth is 34 year old Zlatan better than prime Aguero??? Zlatan would do well to score 15 Premier league goals at his age where as Aguero scored 24 in 29 starts. How many would he bag playing for PSG in Ligue 1? perhaps the 40's. Benzema isn't a bigger threat than Aguero. If United played against Benzema or Aguero, I know who is more likely to score.Aguero as he often scores against cities rivals and always does us. Higuain?? the man we criticise as he has fluffed big games. Well Aguero ALWAYS scores in the big games so I don't know how Higuain is better. Ask Barcelona, Man Utd, Arsenal etc who have all been victim to Aguero individual brilliance. Aubameyang??? Bich please. Lewandowski??? Again I don't see how he is better. The one who plays in arguably the roughest league in terms of closing down, intensity, physicality, is Kun and yet he has completed more dribbles than all (excluding the obvious, Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo). Kun plays for the 4th placed team and has to carry them despite multiple injuries. DO you not think if he plays for the top team in a 1 or 2 team league, he would annihilate it? This is bullshit list and based on biased because Kun plays for City which if course I can completely understand.....

Is the French liga really that poor? Personally i doubt it: the likes of Payet, Kanté and Martial did the business in both leagues without problems. Point is i wouldn't downplay that much Ibrahimovic's statistics because of playing in the Ligue 1.

Ibrahimovic has been criticised by some people for his lack of goals in the Champions-League, but Aguero (apart from the second group game against Bayern (who were aready qualified and leading the game) and the games against PSG last season) has been poor over the years in Europe's top competition, especially when the going gets tough he's nowhere to be seen,imo. When i see Aguero at world cups he looks poor again.

Benzema and Ibrahimovic have in common that they both have the traits of playmakers. They see things and can place a perfect pass. Capable of playing as a number 10.

Let's see how things turn out for Ibrahimovic. No league game but his first goal was nothing but brilliant. It's a good thing for having the these kind of players around, everyone has to bring their a game. I really think that Aguero is indeed a very good player, who's slightly ahead is just a choice of personal preference in the end. Maybe Pep can guide him to the next level, but last season i think De Bruyne was the driving force behind City, without him they suffered badly in the attacking department, he makes things work.
 
Is the French liga really that poor? Personally i doubt it: the likes of Payet, Kanté and Martial did the business in both leagues without problems. Point is i wouldn't downplay that much Ibrahimovic's statistics because of playing in the Ligue 1.

Ibrahimovic has been criticised by some people for his lack of goals in the Champions-League, but Aguero (apart from the second group game against Bayern (who were aready qualified and leading the game) and the games against PSG last season) has been poor over the years in Europe's top competition, especially when the going gets tough he's nowhere to be seen,imo. When i see Aguero at world cups he looks poor again.

Benzema and Ibrahimovic have in common that they both have the traits of playmakers. They see things and can place a perfect pass. Capable of playing as a number 10.

Let's see how things turn out for Ibrahimovic. No league game but his first goal was nothing but brilliant. It's a good thing for having the these kind of players around, everyone has to bring their a game. I really think that Aguero is indeed a very good player, who's slightly ahead is just a choice of personal preference in the end. Maybe Pep can guide him to the next level, but last season i think De Bruyne was the driving force behind City, without him they suffered badly in the attacking department, he makes things work.
The French League is on par with the Russian League for its Uefa coefficient and that is created by French football club's performance in Europe and that goes for the other teams outside of PSG. Yes they have produced a few gems but so has the Eredivisie. It is pretty poor. PSG finished 31 points ahead of their nearest challenger. Think about that. They signed off on the title with a 9-0 win

League Table
Position Evolution Team Pld W D L F A GD Pts
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Paris Saint-Germain 38 30 6 2 102 19 +83 96
2
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Olympique Lyonnais 38 19 8 11 67 43 +24 65
3
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AS Monaco 38 17 14 7 57 50 +7 65
4
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OGC Nice 38 18 9 11 58 41 +17 63

EDIT: De Bruyne the driving force? Aguero scored 24 in 29 premier league starts. Better ratio than Kane. The driving force is and always will be your leading scorer. Aguero played his career as a number 10 and only became a 9 at City. If anyone will be better as a 10 its Aguero since he played there for you know....all his career mostly.

There aren't many strikers in top league who do this consistently. I can't think of 5 that don't include him.

2016 Aguero stats:
Premier league : starts 29, goals 24, assists 2
Champions league : starts 8, goals 2
Cups : starts 5, goals, 3, assists 2
total : starts 42, goals 29, assists 4

2015 stats:
Premier league : starts 30, goals 26, assists 8
Champions league : starts 6, goals 6 (including brilliant solo effort vs Barcelona in round 2) assists 1
total : starts 37, goals 32, assists 9


2014 stats:
premier league : starts 20, goals 17, assists 6
champions league : starts 6, goals 6, assists 2
FA Cup : starts 3, goals 8, assists 2
total : starts 31, total goals 32, assists 9
 
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The French League is on par with the Russian League for its Uefa coefficient and that is created by French football club's performance in Europe and that goes for the other teams outside of PSG. Yes they have produced a few gems but so has the Eredivisie. It is pretty poor. PSG finished 31 points ahead of their nearest challenger. Think about that. They signed off on the title with a 9-0 win

League Table
Position Evolution Team Pld W D L F A GD Pts
1
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Paris Saint-Germain 38 30 6 2 102 19 +83 96
2
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Olympique Lyonnais 38 19 8 11 67 43 +24 65
3
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AS Monaco 38 17 14 7 57 50 +7 65
4
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Pointing out PSG's superiority is fair play. Nevertheless Monaco is doing okay in Europe in recent years, Arsenal were beaten by them in the knockout stages. The Eredivisie hasn't produced a star for quite some time, players like Depay and Luuk de Jong have been flops so far while Traoré (Chelsea) who looked good there, needs a lot more time in England. Therefore i'd like to state that the overall quality of the individual in France has been much higher. Sure football is a team game, but individual quality does count at the end of the day and France is ahead at the moment (Ligue 1 and Eredivisie compared), imo.

The Uefa coefficient doesn't tell you the whole truth. The Bundesliga has been ahead for some time now but i wouldn't say that their league is ahead of the Premiership, there's only Bayern and maybe Dortmund who would challenge for the title. So it's all fair and square to take the Uefa coefficient into account, but never forget to take it with a pinch of salt.

I'll give you that the Ligue 1 is the fifth wheel in Europe, but it's not that far away. They're good at football and on their day some of these clubs can beat a lot of high ranked teams.

As already aformentioned the goal Ibrahimovic scored against Gala is magnificent, you either have it in you or you don't. You can score these type of goals anywhere, he hasn't unlearned a thing, imo. But new league, new team, a lot can happen, i'll give you that. :)
 
They seem to be buying a lot of forward players.

Midfield wise, is very dependent on how Gundogan recovers / stays fit as Fernandhino is their only consistent midfielder. imo


Defense is still hit and miss though.
Kompany isn't as good as he once was, their only real leader at the back though.
I imagine Otamendai & Mangala will both have better seasons, although neither seem like leadership material.

Think going for Stones after his poor season is a mistake.

In my opinion, City would be better of making an agreement with Everton to buy him next season, give him a year under Koeman & buy Ashley Williams.
A decent player & very good leader, put him with one of Otamendai / Mangala & that pairing would be much better than those two together.

Hart is still as overrated as ever, if they can get an improvement on him and tighten up defensively. Potential title winners.
 
I have absolutely no idea how people don't rate Aguero as one of the very best strikers in the world. I don't care if he plays for Manchester City - he is much better than any striker in the league (Ibrahimovic included) and possibly in the top 5 strikers worldwide. That's a fact you simply can't ignore. He can create chances for himself, dribble around defenders for fun and score world class goals.

In terms of City's squad, people are getting a bit too carried away and fair enough they are - but I don't expect to see Gabriel Jesus, Moreno or Sane in the first squad immediately at all. They may all turn out to be nothing, but that'll depend. Similarly, no one knows how Gundogan will perform after his latest injury, or bearing in mind he's moved on to the Premier League. Let's hope it's not as much as their hype - just look at Memphis for an example...
 
It's unbelievable, really. Even with all his fitness issues causing a stop start season, he finished only 1 goal behind Kane, who had a brilliant season. He scored a goal every 99 minutes compared to Kane's goal every 135 minutes, he's an absolutely insane player.

A fit Aguero bullies the Premier League. You can question his performances in Europe (Much like Zlatan's) but in this league, he runs absolute riot. There's not a player in the league that gets me more frightened when he runs at the Spurs defence. You just know all it takes is an inch of space and it'll be in, an assassin in front of goal.

Ibrahimovic is 34 and has never played in the Premier League before, of course he's been in incredible form for PSG but it's a completely different scenario. Scoring 3-4 goals every other week for a super team who clinches the league title with a 9-0 win isn't the same as playing in the Premier League, I'm afraid. I think he'll do very well for United, probably around 15 goals and 10 assists, but I'm almost certain he won't outscore Aguero...there's also the question mark over his performances against English sides in Europe.

I can't imagine any betting man would go with Ibra, too many question marks. Only one for Aguero is his fitness issues.

I honestly don't think Agüero's injury record is as bad as people make out aside from one season. You'd think he's Sturridge by how people keep going on about a 'fitness issues.'

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Here's Fernando Torres at Liverpool by comparison:

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Aguero is a world class player. It's not even up for debate.
 
I have absolutely no idea how people don't rate Aguero as one of the very best strikers in the world. I don't care if he plays for Manchester City - he is much better than any striker in the league (Ibrahimovic included) and possibly in the top 5 strikers worldwide. That's a fact you simply can't ignore. He can create chances for himself, dribble around defenders for fun and score world class goals.

In terms of City's squad, people are getting a bit too carried away and fair enough they are - but I don't expect to see Gabriel Jesus, Moreno or Sane in the first squad immediately at all. They may all turn out to be nothing, but that'll depend. Similarly, no one knows how Gundogan will perform after his latest injury, or bearing in mind he's moved on to the Premier League. Let's hope it's not as much as their hype - just look at Memphis for an example...
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I don't understand how a player who has already scored 100 PL goals can be so underrated and not values
Boggles my mind tbh
 
Forget midfield, Pep has already cocked up if he's planning on using Hart in his first team. They probably should have had a punt on Zieler before Leicester got him. I still think they will walk the League though.
 
Forget midfield, Pep has already cocked up if he's planning on using Hart in his first team. They probably should have had a punt on Zieler before Leicester got him. I still think they will walk the League though.

To be fair, thats what most thought last season before it began.


Won first 5 league games. Then went to pot.

If they had a better defence / gk they might win the league.

Though modern City haven't walked the league before.
 
To be fair, thats what most thought last season before it began.


Won first 5 league games. Then went to pot.

If they had a better defence / gk they might win the league.

Though modern City haven't walked the league before.

It is weird that, they haven't had a truly dominant season yet. Still, expect them to do well this year. Will keep an eye on Silva, imo he's been unimpressive for club and country a while now, can see someone younger stepping up.
 
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That's interesting, it just seems as if he's always coming back for an injury and not 100%. I think City play him a lot when he's not fully recovered, because they simply can't rely on Bony.

Looking at the top scorers from last season, Aguero had by far the least minutes played.
 
Forget midfield, Pep has already cocked up if he's planning on using Hart in his first team. They probably should have had a punt on Zieler before Leicester got him. I still think they will walk the League though.

Hart's fine, he was one of the most impressive keepers in the league last season. Not great on the ball, but Pep will be able to get past that. Definitely don't think it'll be a major problem - they have far more significant issues in the squad, in my opinion.