Our Rivals' squads next year - Manchester City (2016/2017)
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Ah okay! Haha in that case I agree! I thought he was belittling our wins, you can only beat what's in front of you!
I hope your right. You guys will be solid though and while we're more likely to lose those dodgy away games that are 0-0 with ten to play we're probably more likely to win the ones against teams who park the bus. I can't see there being much in it comes seasons end though and tbh while I'd make us favourites I'm on the fence about whether we can pull in more points than you guys over 38 games especially when games have to be ground out. Alot depends on Kun's hamstrings this season.
I'd say City and United fans are kind of feeling the same, both cautiously optimistic about the season and maybe worrying abit about the others.
I dunno, maybe he was but yeah I think we've both looked good.
Not amazing, but clearly a level above the opposition so far.
He's already proven Mourinho wrong. He went and won the Bundesliga PoTY after never getting a proper chance at Chelsea. People are just being kneejerk because of a couple of poor games.
Nothing, there's no reason to suggest teams should fear us just yet either.
Great news. Massive upgrade on Caballero.
On Willy yes but on Hart? I'm not convinced. Call me old fashioned but a goalkeeper should be judged on his ability to goal keep and not pass the ball.
In Pep's system he is a huge upgrade on both. Bravo is hardly a poor keeper either, better than Caballero for sure anyway.
He's a upgrade on Hart in every aspect of goalkeeping, extremely good goalkeeper.
Still not sold, I'd prefer my keeper to be an excellent shot stopper than an excellent distributor. Luckily in DDG we have both.
I wasn't that impressed with city today, I was at a similar game at Newcastle vs our stams reading.
Looked good at times but 4-1 flattered both teams.
I'll say this tho both our defence and cities can be got at which I'll put down to new systems being learned
Looked good at times but 4-1 flattered both teams.
I'll say this tho both our defence and cities can be got at which I'll put down to new systems being learned
Especially in a league that will have him put under pressure with every cross
The difference between Bravo and Hart is not substantial either way, purely as goalkeepers, so considering Bravo's superior confidence and ability on the ball he's a definite upgrade for us.
He was German player of the season after leaving Chelsea, and was given player of the season at City last year, and it's now just two games into the new season. Where has this idea that he's not hitting great form coming from? At worst he's just a bit of the pace fitness wise after the Euros.
De Bruyne has nothing to prove, he's got as much ability as anybody around and it's just a case of getting to grips with the system and back up to speed fitness wise. There is no doubt he will continue to be a big player for City this season.
City have needed penalties to get going in both games so far. They've finished stronger but still look far from convincing. They'll probably look better when their injured new recruits are integrated into the squad but you can see that team running out of lucky breaks and going through a lean spell at some point in the season. Lose Aguero and they're fecked!
Early days but city haven't convinced me either yet that they'll be formidable under pep. Sunderland had them on ropes at times. Real acid test is when they, like Utd, Chelsea, play each other. Because one of those 3 are winning it
Wouldn't say we're fecked without Aguero. Iheanacho is more than capable, came on today and played a big part in the last two goals. Obviously a step below Aguero and in the big games he's still relatively untested but I'd have confidence in him to do a decent job. If Aguero is out for a while then perhaps, but you could say the same for most clubs and their best striker. To be honest City have played better than I thought we would have done so far, the work rate is so much better and they are assimilating Pep's ideas quicker than I expected. There are weaknesses too, and we've been lucky in that the opposition so far has not been good enough to exploit them, so the derby will be the first real test.
Everything just seems to go through Aguero at the moment. With United you can see goals coming from Ibra, Lingard, Martial, Pogba, Rooney, Rashford, Mata. With City I can only see Aguero, Sterling and probably Nolito and Iheanacho but mainly Aguero. Without him you wouldn't be as prolific. Yeah we've both had easy starts to be fair and the next two games will see things shaping up a little especially culminating in the derby, which to be honest, I think we will edge purely because we look more balanced and complete at this stage. And Ibra and Pogba will be another game in. I know on BM your lot rate Kelechi higher than Rashford but Rashford's a better player hands down. I just hope he gets the game time this season to kick on. Sept 10th will be a cracker though, that's for sure!
Either way, it will be Manchester 1 and 2 this season for sure.
4 pens in 7 days, imagine the corruption claims if that was the rags.
Going to be interesting to see if teams target them with crosses and high balls, once they have the shortest goalie in the league playing for them.
Rashford a better player hands down
Last season Rashford 8 goals and 2 assists in 18 starts, Iheanacho 14 goals and 4 assists in 35 matches(11 starts). Both are very talented and neither are 'hands down' superior to the other! Let's compare the 5 you mentioned with 5 at City.
Lingard - 6 goals in 40 games
Martial - 17 in 49
Pogba - 9 in 43
Rooney - 15 in 41
Mata - 10 in 54
Total - 57 goals in 227 games
Sterling - 11 in 47
Nolito - 12 in 29
KDB - 16 in 41
Sane - 9 in 42
Silva - 4 in 36
Total - 52 goals in 195 games
Think it's fair to say City have as much goals all over the place as United, unlike what you're suggesting. This season Zlatan has scored 4 of United's 7 goals which is 57%. Aguero has 6 of the 11 which is 55%....
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God, all these newly converted City fans from the Cult of Pep will get tiresome over the season.
I'm not a City fan, wanted them knocked out in midweek, stop coming out with this tedious claim.
You and most of the other Barca fans are huge fans of Pep and genuinely dislikes Mourinho, this will color your stance on the two teams during both their spells. Also the fact that Pep very much represents the Spanish footballing style as opposed to Mourinho who is as much of a PL manager as you can get.
If you asked me who I would pick to win the league between Shitty and United, I would say the former. However I honestly couldn't care less, I wanted Dortmund to win when Pep was Bayern manager. Can't speak on the behalf of the other Barcelona fans on here, but I don't go and like or want teams to win based on Pep being the manager.
I've always disliked Mourinho to be fair, long before he was Real manager. However that won't stop me given in my view a fair opinion on players or each club, I made the above post because I knew it was inaccurate. I've debated about the quality of Sagna with Bobby on here and about Man City last season. Yesterday I was criticizing the performances of KDB and especially Silva who has a fan base on here and his poor performances get ignored. I'm not the type of person who's biased towards anything, including Barcelona.
They really will.
Rashford a better player hands down
Last season Rashford 8 goals and 2 assists in 18 starts, Iheanacho 14 goals and 4 assists in 35 matches(11 starts). Both are very talented and neither are 'hands down' superior to the other! Let's compare the 5 you mentioned with 5 at City.
Lingard - 6 goals in 40 games
Martial - 17 in 49
Pogba - 9 in 43
Rooney - 15 in 41
Mata - 10 in 54
Total - 57 goals in 227 games
Sterling - 11 in 47
Nolito - 12 in 29
KDB - 16 in 41
Sane - 9 in 42
Silva - 4 in 36
Total - 52 goals in 195 games
Think it's fair to say City have as much goals all over the place as United, unlike what you're suggesting. This season Zlatan has scored 4 of United's 7 goals which is 57%. Aguero has 6 of the 11 which is 55%....
What a stupid post quoting figures from goals scored in other leagues??
And there's a Zlatan shaped hole in his argument too
What a stupid post quoting figures from goals scored in other leagues??
Sane hasn't even kicked a ball for City yet, ffs!
You don't even need to compare any players in an arguement that suggests that "City lack goals", because it's already got no substance. Top scorers in the league in the last 3 seasons on the bounce. There's goals all over in this team, always has been. If Guardiola gets it right at the other end then we're a hell of a side.
Oh dear, how idiotic are some people? Don't mention goals from other leagues, even-though you originally added Pogba as one of the players who prove United have goals elsewhere. Couldn't make it up....
What a stupid post quoting figures from goals scored in other leagues??
You come into the category as above. I left out both Aguero and Zlatan, the two main goalscorers, try and grasp the situation before spouting absolute nonsense!
That doesn't suit the agenda and completely stupid points from some on here though. Laughable suggestion to say that City lack goals outside Aguero.
READ my post again!! I said I COULD SEE goals coming from the players mentioned. And I just didn't mention Aguero did I ?? You was the one that quoted irrelevant stats. I could easily have done that too. What a joker!!
To be fair, your original suggestion was a bit lazy. Probably an easy one to hold your hands up and say actually, City have proved they can score goals outside of Aguero consistently for years (and if anything have strengthened in attacking options).
Think you will find you used the term 'WITH UNITED YOU CAN SEE' ...
So don't lie and try to change it because your original post was garbage. Secondly the stats are not irrelevant, Nolito scored goals in a superior league, Sane scored goals in a much weaker side. Nolito already scoring even coming off the bench! You made a claim that there is a lack of goals in the Man City side without Aguero and there was more goals outside Zlatan at United, I proved this to be false with figures to back it up including Zlatan scoring the majority of goals rather than Aguero so far this season. If you can't man up and admit you were wrong, then that's your call, but I'm done debating with someone who's changing the original point to his post.
Bravo is a very good keeper either way. Huge upgrade for City. The holes in city's squad as always are defensively, so Pep will be hoping that they adapt to his tactics and can negate the defensive frailties of his players back there. They will be fine going forward as they always are. We'll see how they do in the coming weeks, though they did well against Stoke.
My guess is it will be very tight between United and City well clear of the rest, as Mourinho and Pep are 2 managers who know how to bring consistency and really pick up points in the games you expect them to. Wont be anything like last season, but more like 11/12 where there are 2 standout teams and then a few below fighting for top 4 (arsenal, liverpool, spurs). Chelsea I think will be comfortably in third without european football but comfortably behind the top 2.
Agree with most of this, if Chelsea can bring in a couple of quality signings before the end of the transfer window I think they could compete with both Manchester clubs for the title. Hopefully they do and it's an exciting title race.
Yeah, chelsea definitely needs more at the back. They've been incredibly lucky in their 2 wins so far but Conte has instilled a bit of reslience there, but even so, costa should have been sent off in both games and he got the late winner in both. Cant go on forever. The back 4 is very weak bar Azpulicueta, and going after Koulibaly for those figures they seem to agree. If they had CL football or europa league they would be far away, but with no distractions they could get some consistency and be right there.
Thank goodness for that! I didn't claim there was a lack of goals in the City side. I just said they would not be as prolific without Aguero, which is pretty obvious. What part of that don't you understand? You seem very confused?? Go and have a lie down!
