Yeah he did but I think it was the Presidential politics that did for him at Barca.
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Yeah he did but I think it was the Presidential politics that did for him at Barca.
As Polite Poster said, he's burned out at Barca and Bayern due to interference from grandees at the club's (mainly Rossell and Beckenbauer, I believe) whereas he will be given a blank canvas at City (virtually) to get on with the job at which he excels.
The fact that he's only done three years in all of his 2 previous jobs owes as much to this as some inbuilt wanderlust that he can't leave behind.
Criticizing Pep for not giving youth a chance at Bayern doesn´t really make sense. The biggest issue is, that Bayern lacked any “top talent” in their amateur team. The only player who might have enough talent and is ready for Bundesliga football, is Hojbjerg. I´d have liked to see a bit more from him, but he doesn´t fit particularly well into the system so going on a loan was a reasonable move. Considering the circumstances that was the best decision for both sides; he just made the mistake to join the wrong team, but that was his own decision.
Pep clearly willing to trust young players (Kimmich, Bernat, Coman), when they fit into the team.
Think Txiki and Soriano had departed with Laporta and he couldn't work with Rossell or he may well have stayed longer.
Beckenbauer has feck all to say when it comes to Bayern.
I still believe that Pep just wants a new challenge and his descision had nothing to do with being burned out at Bayern and certainly not with interference from our board, because all I've seen in the last years is the board going all out to grant his wishes (the new medical team is a fine example for this).
Was going to say the same; only really Busquets, Pedro and Thiago have been his successes in terms of youth players, and I doubt City have any players as talented as them (or as Pedro was) at the moment.
Little to do with that spending, though.
Transfer League.
Not sure there's many as silly as that. At least with ADM we got most of our money. People say we've wasted money, but even the likes of Herrera and Mata who get criticized are on a different level compared to Jovetic, Mangala and Bony.
Ok, but his two close friends running City's football side of things aren't exactly proved much in the transfer market neither at Barca nor at City. So I don't think letting them work without any interference is that fantastic a thing to begin with.
City will go all out again in the market but sooner or later questions will arise of the directors' competence, because you cannot get away with shit investments forever.
So that utopistic total peace can soon change for him too.
Other than that there isn't a thing to suggest he'll stay beyond three years. He hasn't got any sentimental bond to the club and even that didn't stop him leaving Barca.
That looks like a well researched site (not seen it before) but every other source I've seen (eg Transfermarkt, Soccerway, M.E.N.) has Navas at a lot below £20m.
Pays your money and takes your pick I suppose.
Not doubting that City have not bought well recently though, too many players lacking character and/or football intelligence.
Navas will be gone, he's only useful because we do not have a player like him to hug the touchline and stretch the pitch. I'd be very surprised if he's at City next season, same goes for Bony and Mangala.
[QUOTE ]"jetlee, post: 18966153, member: 91413"]Ok, but his two close friends running City's football side of things aren't exactly proved much in the transfer market neither at Barca nor at City. So I don't think letting them work without any interference is that fantastic a thing to begin with.
City will go all out again in the market but sooner or later questions will arise of the directors' competence, because you cannot get away with shit investments forever.
So that utopistic total peace can soon change for him too.
Other than that there isn't a thing to suggest he'll stay beyond three years. He hasn't got any sentimental bond to the club and even that didn't stop him leaving Barca.[/QUOTE]
No doubt that they have dropped some clangers both at City and Barca but one thing they can do is get transfers over the line and make the players available to the coach in time for a full pre season.
City have had problems with the scouting system which may well be given an overhaul together with the medics and analysts to Pep's satisfaction.
We'll just have to see if he stays more than 3 years but the small sample of previous jobs cannot be taken as proof of a repeat especially as there are important reasons for him to leave when he did.
City will go all out again in the market but sooner or later questions will arise of the directors' competence, because you cannot get away with shit investments forever.
So that utopistic total peace can soon change for him too.
Other than that there isn't a thing to suggest he'll stay beyond three years. He hasn't got any sentimental bond to the club and even that didn't stop him leaving Barca.[/QUOTE]
No doubt that they have dropped some clangers both at City and Barca but one thing they can do is get transfers over the line and make the players available to the coach in time for a full pre season.
City have had problems with the scouting system which may well be given an overhaul together with the medics and analysts to Pep's satisfaction.
We'll just have to see if he stays more than 3 years but the small sample of previous jobs cannot be taken as proof of a repeat especially as there are important reasons for him to leave when he did.
May keep Navas as the impact sub role to which he is best suited IMO but Pep is on record as liking a small squad so even that is questionable.
Bony and Mangala are toast if we can attract decent offers or it may be the loan out route again.
If Pep is only staying 3 seasons there's a real chance he'll win feck all.
First season, shell shock at how smaller teams don't roll over like in Spain/Germany. Not enough big name players signed on account of no CL.
Second season CL achieved but other clubs got stronger: Arsenal, Chelsea and Kloppipool.
Third season players not giving their all as he's hardly going to be there to give an end of season assessment.
First season, shell shock at how smaller teams don't roll over like in Spain/Germany. Not enough big name players signed on account of no CL.
Second season CL achieved but other clubs got stronger: Arsenal, Chelsea and Kloppipool.
Third season players not giving their all as he's hardly going to be there to give an end of season assessment.
I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his opinion on that after suffering through our constant injury crisis. For most of his time at Barca, he had almost all his players available. Then it's of course nice to work with a small squad. When you have half your starting XI missing for an extended period of time, you learn to value squad depth.May keep Navas as the impact sub role to which he is best suited IMO but Pep is on record as liking a small squad so even that is questionable.
Bony and Mangala are toast if we can attract decent offers or it may be the loan out route again.
Is FB not still a board member? He may have no executive power these days but did his remarks about Pep's style being boring sparked a war of words in 2014?
On a more serious note, I think his biggest obstacle will be implementing his playing style in the PL. Every league has its own little nuances and there's no guarantee of a managers managerial or footballing style being easy to implement in a different league, no matter how well he's done it elsewhere.
He has nothing to say on the board. We actually have a lot of former players who dislike Pep's style for some reason (mostly pundits, like Beckenbauer or Scholl). I don't think Pep gives a shite about that and if he does or did, he would be the wrong person for the Bayern job.
So did he not say that FB "should stick to reading war stories to children rather than telling me how to coach my team"?
Pep seems to like to have the odd rant unlike Pellegrini who is as bland as they come.
On a more serious note, I think his biggest obstacle will be implementing his playing style in the PL. Every league has its own little nuances and there's no guarantee of a managers managerial or footballing style being easy to implement in a different league, no matter how well he's done it elsewhere.
Exactly, and he will wonder why smaller clubs don't recognise who the feck is and roll over to his continental tactics. The PL amplifies that more than any other league.
As for Klopp he'll be in his 3rd season by the time Pep gets going in his second. Klopp might not get the big name players that Pep does but Klopp usually doesn't need them if his Dortmund history is to considered here.
Edit: I would say Utd too if they go for Mourinho this summer but it doesn't look they will as things are going. If its Giggs we can safely rule Utd out.
Nah, the PL smaller clubs are well overrated. It's more about every league having its own culture and methodology and City being average in comparison to Bayern and Barca.
On us on very confident we'll improve big time over the next two seasons, and I think it will be Mourinho.
I'm sorry but looking at it a little more in depth we can safely say that they had more misses than hits. If I'm being right they had three summer windows at City and during those in my opinion they had two undisputed successes in the market in Fernandinho and De Bruyne. I wouldn't exactly say that any of them was a hidden gem, and in both cases City well overpayed.
All I'm saying is they escape a lot of criticism compared to for example United. They had a relatively stable manager in Pellegrini and United had their most turbulent times in the last 25 years arguably, yet even they can provide two comparable transfer successes in the same time frame in Blind and Martial. You can say that City could have built from a position of strength when they arrived, and still they failed to add too much to the spine of the team.
I think the time nears when serious questions wil be asked from them by the moneymen behind your club. Your current structure is just hypothetically better than United's and maybe this summer will be their last chance to rectify their mistakes.
I think he'll win something, with those key players and money backing he has to but it's not entire mad to say he might not win the league in 3 years.
I don't remember him saying that, but even if he did (I'll take your word), that's not the reason why he's leaving Bayern.
De Bruyne and Martial will end up costing similar fees. If one is overpriced is not the other?
Navas and Negredo both did well, Otamendi and Sterling may be OK, Sagna and Delph both good for the fees paid.
Bony and Mangala are the standout bollocks dropped.
May keep Navas as the impact sub role to which he is best suited IMO but Pep is on record as liking a small squad so even that is questionable.
Bony and Mangala are toast if we can attract decent offers or it may be the loan out route again.
Pointless keeping Navas on if he is only going to be a sub, I'd much rather give someone like Barker a chance in that case. I think Pep will keep our squad size pretty similar, at Bayern and Barcelona he was/is blessed with ridiculously strong starting XI's which mean rotation is not as necessary as it is with other sides. Our side is not at that level so the need to have more options is substantially higher. Bony is a proven striker and we'll be able to sell him easily, albeit for about half of what we paid for him. Mangala may be one where loaning him out is best.
Multiple newspaper reports saying that they're very sure that Messi will join them if he ever decides to leave Barcelona. Seems like the briefings are in fullforce considering the mess Man City find themselves in right now. One of the reports said that they want to fill half of their team by academy graduates by 2021
Its surprising they're in such a mess, considering the theories on here that the directors from Barcelona moved there to lay the foundations for Pep to come and make them the best in the world.
Slight chance we could still finish above them this season, yet they haven't had nearly as much criticism for their performances or spending.
Slight chance we could still finish above them this season, yet they haven't had nearly as much criticism for their performances or spending.
You're not answering my question I think. I haven't said that Martial is not expensive I just noted that for an experienced board spotting and signing the likes of De Bruyne with endless resources available is not that big an achievement.
I know that criteria for a succesful signing can vary from person to person but Negredo had a decent half season only and Navas should be just a squad player at best if City aspire to be one of the best in Europe.
Sterling and Otamendi are huge question marks up till now. I don't think they have done much more than Memphis or Schneiderlin at United.
Sagna and Delph are not that young and maybe they weren't expensive but they contribute close to nothing to your team.
All I'm saying is City's owners paying a lot for these guys and it's not that hard to imagine they expect more for it. Or maybe I'm wrong and they get paid on the basis that they're friends with Guardiola in which case the investment is fantastic.
You're not answering my question I think. I haven't said that Martial is not expensive I just noted that for an experienced board spotting and signing the likes of De Bruyne with endless resources available is not that big an achievement.
I know that criteria for a succesful signing can vary from person to person but Negredo had a decent half season only and Navas should be just a squad player at best if City aspire to be one of the best in Europe.
Sterling and Otamendi are huge question marks up till now. I don't think they have done much more than Memphis or Schneiderlin at United.
Sagna and Delph are not that young and maybe they weren't expensive but they contribute close to nothing to your team.
All I'm saying is City's owners paying a lot for these guys and it's not that hard to imagine they expect more for it. Or maybe I'm wrong and they get paid on the basis that they're friends with Guardiola in which case the investment is fantastic.
Sterling has far out performed Memphis. Hes been very good for City.
What do you really want me to say?You're not answering my question I think. I haven't said that Martial is not expensive I just noted that for an experienced board spotting and signing the likes of De Bruyne with endless resources available is not that big an achievement.
I know that criteria for a succesful signing can vary from person to person but Negredo had a decent half season only and Navas should be just a squad player at best if City aspire to be one of the best in Europe.
Sterling and Otamendi are huge question marks up till now. I don't think they have done much more than Memphis or Schneiderlin at United.
Sagna and Delph are not that young and maybe they weren't expensive but they contribute close to nothing to your team.
All I'm saying is City's owners paying a lot for these guys and it's not that hard to imagine they expect more for it. Or maybe I'm wrong and they get paid on the basis that they're friends with Guardiola in which case the investment is fantastic.
I've agreed that the signings have been patchy in general and awful in places. You dismiss the contacts with Pep as heir only asset but it's a nice one to have and you, I think, have little knowledge of the reworking of contracts of players from lots of guaranteed money under the previous execs to incentive based contracts that now apply which in a poor season saves us a fair chunk of cash. In a good year the salary increases are self financing.
To summarise, are they an asset to City? Yes. Have they room for improvement? Hell yeah! Would I swap them for Woody? Nope.
He's been average. Not as big a disappointment as Memphis but considering his last two seasons for Liverpool, I expected him to perform better for City.
OK I saw him in about 8-10 games this year and he was similar to Memphis in those so I assumed their stats are comparable too. Still if you factor in the money payed for the both of them then the gap is not that big.
Plus to say he was very good is clearly an exaggeration. Very good players don't get dropped from an underperforming starting XI.
The contract extensions based on incentives is a good achievement, I give them that. But they were in a position of strength in the negotiations compared to the previous regime who were building from scratch.What do you really want me to say?
I've agreed that the signings have been patchy in general and awful in places. You dismiss the contacts with Pep as heir only asset but it's a nice one to have and you, I think, have little knowledge of the reworking of contracts of players from lots of guaranteed money under the previous execs to incentive based contracts that now apply which in a poor season saves us a fair chunk of cash. In a good year the salary increases are self financing.
To summarise, are they an asset to City? Yes. Have they room for improvement? Hell yeah! Would I swap them for Woody? Nope.
You said Pep will find the necessary stability at City and that's why he'll stay more. But if Txiki and the other guy won't perform their roles better then their position can be under threat in no time. They got away with their incompetence up till now but now serious consequences have started to appear on the pitch too.
I noticed the part about half their team being from the academy by 2021. That's an unrealistic target.
He's not been "very good" by any standards. He's been ok, but given they were getting an established PL player, they surely expected better.
No I didn't say that.
Many people assume that he will stay 3 years max just because of his contract and his history but I was saying that in the right environment it may persuade him to extend it. Nobody can be sure what will happen. Not you, me or even Pep himself all I'm saying is that 4 or more years may happen.
True, his inconsistency was entirely expected although I was hoping for a few more exciting performances than he has given, and especially in the bigger games. He's still very young so I am not overly concerned just yet. Nevertheless, his CL form alone has been better than anything Depay has done all season, but that's not saying much.
Oh I'm not refuting he's been miles better than Memphis has (CL or league), just reacting to the 'very good' comment. And I like Sterling a lot and think he'll be a top player. Just had a difficult time this year, which is fine for a young player.