Many on here just won't have it and think he's on a steady decline and not worth it,only need to look at poll to see proof of it
Osimhen v Kane
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Many on here just won't have it and think he's on a steady decline and not worth it,only need to look at poll to see proof of it
Then I don’t know the answer?
If you think this is the best version of Kane, then you've just exposed yourself as a watcher of stats rather than actual football.
So you are firmly in Osimhen camp then
I take no notice of the xG this, that and the whatever BS, the only stat that matters to me in a CF is how many goals does he score or assist, Kane has 15 goals in 20 odd games, no idea on the assists
Maybe watch the odd game then
I’ll consider that in future.
I'm on the fence with Osimhen tbh. I really like him and I think we need a player of his type more than Kane. My issue is he's not the finished product yet and will still need some developing of his back to goal play. I have no doubt he can eventually be very solid in that department but I worry that paying £100m will put him under so much pressure to be excellent immediately. The weight of these big money moves has made much better players struggle.
If he has the mentality to cope with the pressure, I think he can be a big hit. He's a physical powerhouse and has the pace to match it, works tirelessly in running the channels and pressing too. I think he could potentially offer us more than Kane can. A player like Bruno would also look much better with Osimhen in front of him rather than Kane trying to drop into the areas he operates best in.
He's also great in the air. Purely anecdotal but I rarely see Kane win headed duels, though I could be wrong here.
I still cannot decide what type of striker Erik is looking for. The concern about Kane getting in Bruno’s space is very valid. However one thing he does have over Osimhen is there aren't concerns about him being the finished product because we know he is.
I like Osimhen and offers us real pace and power but think there will be a big price difference between the two. Levy will push for near £100m but knows this time he won't get that. So if I had to estimate would go Kane £80m plus addons and Osimhen £120m plus addons.
Problem with Kane is you don’t know when he’s decline will start. He’s not a pressing forward.
Buy the striker that suites the system.
Buy the striker that suites the system.
He might well be looking for a pressing forward hence the links to Osimhen & Vlahovic,on the other hand might want someone who can score and join in with buildup hence links to Kane. I don't honestly know enough about Sesko to comment on which type he falls into.
I guess when you put those potential prices up, it does seem much more justifiable spending that on Kane. Osimhen is not worth that at all even though I'm a fan. Napoli and Spurs also happen to be some of the toughest negotiators in football.
I haven't seen much of Vlahovic but maybe he's an option especially with the turmoil at Juve.
Oh yeah Levy and Laurentiis are a nightmare to deal with that's for sure,in terms of Juve I see them appealing points deduction and winning.
I want both.
No chance at the same time,even with ME money because still need a CM partner for Casa and some squad depth too
Nah his peak goalscoring years were 16/17 and 17/18, when he finished on 29 and 30 goals in the league.
Goals/non-penalty goals per 90min:
16/17 - 1.04/0.86
17/18 - 0.88/0.82
22/23 - 0.76/0.66
This is his best goalscoring season since that peak though, and is obviously excellent in its own right.
And where Ademola Lookman is the second top scorer this season...
If Kane joins us in the summer, the age profile of our starting XI would probably be like this at the start of next season:
25 30 23
31 [hopefully replaced by a younger midfielder] 31 28(29 in sept)
27 25 30 24
32
Would we not have enough energy up front?
25 30 23
31 [hopefully replaced by a younger midfielder] 31 28(29 in sept)
27 25 30 24
32
Would we not have enough energy up front?
We shouldn't look at both players and pick Osimhen just because he is younger. His age is going to be nothing more than an excuse that will be made for him if he joins and struggles to adapt. Could easily end up with 3-4 years of excuses, while good strikers come and go, and the likes of Bruno, Varane and Casemiro probably start to decline.
I'd argue Kane is the better striker between the two. He is proficient and as accomplished as they come as a striker, has a great goalscoring record, continues to score goals, is still a major threat in the league we play in, and would be a good fit for our current team. 30 is no where near as old as some are making it out to be, and shouldn't stop us from making what looks like a potentially transformative signing.
I doubt there are many Manchester United fans who would have another DM over Casemiro right now just because of age, but remember how many wouldn't stop talking about how old he was when we were linked to him.
Honestly don't think we could go wrong with Kane. If he comes in and gives us two to three good seasons right away, that's way better than having a younger striker struggling to adapt while we waste time waiting on our investment.
There will always be strikers in the market, we shouldn't put ourselves in a hole obsessing with potentially long-term players. If Kane struggles initially or fades after a few years, we find another striker right away. If Osimhen struggles initially, we have to wait because he was already anointed a 'long-term' signing before he was signed. We don't have that time.
I'd argue Kane is the better striker between the two. He is proficient and as accomplished as they come as a striker, has a great goalscoring record, continues to score goals, is still a major threat in the league we play in, and would be a good fit for our current team. 30 is no where near as old as some are making it out to be, and shouldn't stop us from making what looks like a potentially transformative signing.
I doubt there are many Manchester United fans who would have another DM over Casemiro right now just because of age, but remember how many wouldn't stop talking about how old he was when we were linked to him.
Honestly don't think we could go wrong with Kane. If he comes in and gives us two to three good seasons right away, that's way better than having a younger striker struggling to adapt while we waste time waiting on our investment.
There will always be strikers in the market, we shouldn't put ourselves in a hole obsessing with potentially long-term players. If Kane struggles initially or fades after a few years, we find another striker right away. If Osimhen struggles initially, we have to wait because he was already anointed a 'long-term' signing before he was signed. We don't have that time.
Neither as we will have no chance at meeting the asking price for either. We should sign Evan Ferguson and try for Sesko.
I’ll break through the sarcasm.
Rashford as we know is fast
Garnacho will only get faster
Antony is fast he just runs to track back and uses it once a game.
Sancho’s no slouch he’s just not lightening
I don’t see why Osimhen makes much of a difference for speed. Just more players lacking intelligence of who to bring players in.
I changed my vote to Vic, cause it would be a smarter, long term move, all things considered.
I don't know what will happen this summer as a lot will depend on whether Conte gets backed by Levy and if he decides to stay. If Conte stays then I think it's likely Kane will also stay and sign a new contract. However there's also a fair chance he might decide to cut his losses and try for a move which probably would be to Utd. Then the question would be, would Levy sell him? I think if someone offered 80 million then Levy would be tempted to sell, anything less than that and Levy will laugh it out the door. As you said, Kane is worth a lot more to us with him in our team than a big lump of cash. With Kane in our team our chances of top four are much higher than without him and Levy will gamble on this rather than look to sell him, even if that means he might leave for free.
Neither. A €100M + high wages for a 30-year-old striker or a €100M for a striker from Seria A? No, thanks.
Find someone else. Maybe Sesko, maybe someone else. But if I really have to choose just between those two, I'd take Osimhen.
Find someone else. Maybe Sesko, maybe someone else. But if I really have to choose just between those two, I'd take Osimhen.
I voted Osimhen but if we get new owners Kane would be a statement signing so that’s what I think might actually happen and I wouldn’t be against it, he’s an excellent striker and would be great for us but I suspect only for a season or 2 and that’s why I would lean towards a younger more mobile striker.
Let me dream of us playing Monopoly Money Manager FC like FC Barrelloads and the West London Gazumpers.
Kane has one year left and likely won't cost more than 80, he'd be within our budget even without new owners
both of those are gonna be 50+ if we come calling anyway
Rashford and Garnacho are sufficiently fast. Fast enough to be outlets on a transition. However, they substitute for each other, and likely won’t be on the pitch at the same time. Antony is not sufficiently fast, not is Sancho, that they will give defenders something to worry about. Neither of them are capable of scoring the goals that Rashford scored against Arsenal and Liverpool this season. So teams really only have one player to worry about threatening in behind against us. Sancho being ‘no slouch just not lightning’ means he’ll be caught by all the ‘no slouch’ defenders he will be up against.’
Simply, if we had sufficient pace on both left and right, the idea of Kane would appeal more to me. He can play in between and look to release them. As it stands, we have only one runner, and we also don’t move the ball fast enough anyway. I fear that our game would be largely in front of teams. Compare that to Firmino dropping and having Salah left and right.
Antony is sufficiently fast he just doesn’t use it which is his problem. He had the young Crystal Palace player going full pelt to stay with him and Antony was dribbling. Dribbling… not kicking and running.
Antony has a real issue with his overall impact and directness. Which I questioned before we got him. What I didn’t realise was how fast he actually is.
As for Kane he’s done well for two years with Son being his pacey outlet. I don’t think it will matter with a player Just on the left offering that to us. Remember who are manager is. He’ll make it work.
Maybe that gets them Vlahovic with the Juve connection, but unlikely. So you have to buy a downgrade, for more money.
Thanks. Yeah, I think 80-90m is a fair value all things considered. As I said above, that still only gets you a downgrade.
Both will be ridiculously expensive, so probably neither unless the Glazers actually sell to a decent owner
He takes penalties though. I mean he still has less goals than fecking Rodrigo from Leeds in the EPL
Kane slips straight into the side and pretty much guarantees 25+ goals next season.
Osimhen would be a huge gamble. How many Serie A strikers have adapted perfectly to the PL straight away?
Osimhen would be a huge gamble. How many Serie A strikers have adapted perfectly to the PL straight away?
Never seen Osimeneh play, not a single game. However he's got a sexy name, therefore I vote osimeneh
If we sign Kane, Ten Hag has to win the PL or CL within 2 seasons. No excuses.
You sign players over the age of 30 with a 3 year time frame in mind - and when you make one for the sort of financial commitment Kane would take, you have to win immediately.
You sign players over the age of 30 with a 3 year time frame in mind - and when you make one for the sort of financial commitment Kane would take, you have to win immediately.
Certainly not under this ownership that is true
Oh yeah I totally agree with that,however if he can put up those numbers in a so so Spurs team just imagine what he can do for a Utd team in need of that striker to put away chances
Sounds about right to me
Doesn't matter who he signs, no PL in next 2 years he's more than likely looking for a new job anyway
Alex, Duncan or Evan?Time to add Ferguson to the poll