Film Oscars 2025

[Wing Attack Plan R]

That is absolutely ludicrous

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...bs-surprises-zendaya-selena-gomez-1236116024/

One issue that rolls around every awards season is whether or not certain actors should be considered the lead or supporting characters in their films.

Zoe Saldaña’s nomination in best supporting actress is perhaps the most notable example this year. She appears on screen for 44% of Emilia Perez’s run time, more than her co-star Karla Sofía Gascón (40%).

And yet, Gascón is nominated as the film’s lead, while Saldaña is in supporting. But in fairness, the film’s narrative arc centres on Gascón’s titular character.

Equally, many fans feel supporting actor nominee Kieran Culkin should be considered the lead character in his film, A Real Pain. The Succession actor is the heart and soul of the film in many ways and is on screen for nearly 65% of its screen time. His co-star Jesse Eisenberg, who’s only slightly ahead with nearly 70% screen time, is competing as the lead.

Also fairly close together in screen time are Wicked’s lead actress Cynthia Erivo (54%) and supporting actress contender Ariana Grande (45%). At the opposite end of the scale, Conclave’s Isabella Rossellini is nominated in best supporting actress for just under eight minutes of screen time.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

The Oscars has lost a lot of credibility over the years.

The gig was up when they started giving awards to talkies.

 

[Salt Bailly]

I'm kinda hoping Sean Baker runs the table. So many of these nominees are Hollywood bloat, or pure pop instead of having any artistry. I've whittle down the list a little bit!

We can have a proper predictions pool in the lead up to Oscar night. The winner gets to bathe in Caf Kudos.

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...bs-surprises-zendaya-selena-gomez-1236116024/

One issue that rolls around every awards season is whether or not certain actors should be considered the lead or supporting characters in their films.

Zoe Saldaña’s nomination in best supporting actress is perhaps the most notable example this year. She appears on screen for 44% of Emilia Perez’s run time, more than her co-star Karla Sofía Gascón (40%).

And yet, Gascón is nominated as the film’s lead, while Saldaña is in supporting. But in fairness, the film’s narrative arc centres on Gascón’s titular character.

Equally, many fans feel supporting actor nominee Kieran Culkin should be considered the lead character in his film, A Real Pain. The Succession actor is the heart and soul of the film in many ways and is on screen for nearly 65% of its screen time. His co-star Jesse Eisenberg, who’s only slightly ahead with nearly 70% screen time, is competing as the lead.

Also fairly close together in screen time are Wicked’s lead actress Cynthia Erivo (54%) and supporting actress contender Ariana Grande (45%). At the opposite end of the scale, Conclave’s Isabella Rossellini is nominated in best supporting actress for just under eight minutes of screen time.

Maybe it goes based on how their roles are written on the script. Even though they had more screen time or a high percentage the role itself is a supporting role.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Maybe it goes based on how their roles are written on the script. Even though they had more screen time or a high percentage the role itself is a supporting role.

I think it’s a cynical gaming of the system.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Happy horror is starting to get more recognition. Toni Collette not even getting a nom for Hereditary was an absolute joke.

 

[Salt Bailly]

Happy horror is starting to get more recognition. Toni Collette not even getting a nom for Hereditary was an absolute joke.

That one still stings.

 

[sullydnl]

No interest in the film, but Dylan deep cuts on SNL is solid Oscar campaigning.

 

[Salt Bailly]

No interest in the film, but Dylan deep cuts on SNL is solid Oscar campaigning.

Chalomet

Seeing it this weekend. Can't wait.

 

[CoopersDream]

Emilia Perez got 13 nominations? Haven't seen it, but certainly seems a bit much to me. If it wins BP it seems to me it will be the most polarizing win pretty much ever.

I have not seen many of the nominated films, so as of yet I'm kind of indifferent do the nominations. Dune 2 is the one I thought deserved more, but it was probably released too early.

Either way, category fraud happens every year basically. Culkin seems to be the most obvious example this year, no way someone that is on screen 65% of the running time could ever be considered supporting.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

Emilia Perez got 13 nominations? Haven't seen it, but certainly seems a bit much to me. If it wins BP it seems to me it will be the most polarizing win pretty much ever.

I have not seen many of the nominated films, so as of yet I'm kind of indifferent do the nominations. Dune 2 is the one I thought deserved more, but it was probably released too early.

Either way, category fraud happens every year basically. Culkin seems to be the most obvious example this year, no way someone that is on screen 65% of the running time could ever be considered supporting.

Keep it that way

 

[Scandi Red]

This is perhaps the first time I haven't seen any of the nominees for best film. If you could only recommend one or two of them, which would you pick?

I like pretty much everything except for superheroes, rom-coms and shameless USA glazing/US army recruitment.

 

[chris123]

This is perhaps the first time I haven't seen any of the nominees for best film. If you could only recommend one or two of them, which would you pick?

I like pretty much everything except for superheroes, rom-coms and shameless USA glazing/US army recruitment.

Anora is very entertaining. Wicked is actually pretty good, and I'm not normally a fan of musicals. Conclave and A Complete Unknown are also pretty good. The Brutalist is great, but I get that the 3+ hour runtime isn't for everyone. It's actually a pretty good lineup overall, but yeah, just avoid Emilia Perez.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Emilia Perez was probably the best film of 2024 for me. It's going to be polarizing but its definitely worthy of Best Picture. I also loved Anora.

If any of Emilia Perez, Anora, Dune 2 or Conclave wins Best Picture I think its well deserved. Still need to see Nickel Boys but doubt its as good as the novel because movies never are.

 

[Donut]

Has Emilia Perez been review-bombed? It's probably the lowest IMDB rated nominee ever at 6.1.

 

[Sweet Square]

Keep it that way

Spoiler: Enter At Your Own Risk

Spoiler: Final warning

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[Rams]

Has Kai Harvertz been nominated?

 

[Rooney in Paris]

This is perhaps the first time I haven't seen any of the nominees for best film. If you could only recommend one or two of them, which would you pick?

I like pretty much everything except for superheroes, rom-coms and shameless USA glazing/US army recruitment.

Of those I've seen, I'd avoid Emilia Perez and I didn't like Anora much and think it's a bit problematic (but overall it's an ok film). Conclave is fine, it oozes cinematographic charm through its technical brilliance and delightful performances but is lacking a little something to be top notch. Dune is an excellent blockbuster, and The Substance is really great and funny. Still haven't seen I'm still here that I think I'll enjoy, or The Brutalist that I'm very excited about. Same for A complete unknown in fact

Spoiler: Enter At Your Own Risk

Spoiler: Final warning

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[oneniltothearsenal]

Has Emilia Perez been review-bombed? It's probably the lowest IMDB rated nominee ever at 6.1.

It seems to piss off both the Trumpers and arthouse snobs so I'd say yes it's probably unfairly review bombed

 

[diarm]

Has anybody watched the movie Mexico have made in retaliation for Emilia Perez?

It’s been made entirely without any French cast or crew and tells the story of Johanna Sacrebleu, the heiress to France’s largest baguette producer, who falls in love with Agtugo Ratatouille, heir to France’s biggest croissant company.

 

[Jev]

Wonder whether all this controversy might impact its chances. It looked a shoe-in for a lot of categories but with such a strong backlash, some Academy members might see it as too controversial.

 

[McGrathsipan]

The place looks like the aftermath of an atomic bomb, but sure crack on with awards.

 

[entropy]

It seems to piss off both the Trumpers and arthouse snobs so I'd say yes it's probably unfairly review bombed

we get it, my dude. you liked the movie. no need to lump the rest of us into either of those two groups.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Has anybody watched the movie Mexico have made in retaliation for Emilia Perez?

It’s been made entirely without any French cast or crew and tells the story of Johanna Sacrebleu, the heiress to France’s largest baguette producer, who falls in love with Agtugo Ratatouille, heir to France’s biggest croissant company.

This meme has never been more appropriate:

 

[Rooney in Paris]

It seems to piss off both the Trumpers and arthouse snobs so I'd say yes it's probably unfairly review bombed

It's bad and people should stop giving Audiard money to make films.

 

[Salt Bailly]

...tells the story of Johanna Sacrebleu, the heiress to France’s largest baguette producer, who falls in love with Agtugo Ratatouille, heir to France’s biggest croissant company.

You son of a bitch I'm in.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

It's bad and people should stop giving Audiard money to make films.

I just sent him a donation because of your post and said "thanks to Rooney to Paris, please make more like Emilia Perez"

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Has anybody watched the movie Mexico have made in retaliation for Emilia Perez?

It’s been made entirely without any French cast or crew and tells the story of Johanna Sacrebleu, the heiress to France’s largest baguette producer, who falls in love with Agtugo Ratatouille, heir to France’s biggest croissant company.

Two tickets, please.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

It's bad and people should stop giving Audiard money to make films.

I just sent him a donation because of your post and said "thanks to Rooney to Paris, please make more like Emilia Perez"

It’s hotting up in the Movie thread, Scout on Scout hate crimes!

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Emilia Perez got 13 nominations? Haven't seen it, but certainly seems a bit much to me. If it wins BP it seems to me it will be the most polarizing win pretty much ever.

I have not seen many of the nominated films, so as of yet I'm kind of indifferent do the nominations. Dune 2 is the one I thought deserved more, but it was probably released too early.

Either way, category fraud happens every year basically. Culkin seems to be the most obvious example this year, no way someone that is on screen 65% of the running time could ever be considered supporting.

Green Book, Crash, Driving Miss Daisy, American Beauty, The Shape Of Water, Nomadland would like a word!

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

It’s hotting up in the Movie thread, Scout on Scout hate crimes!

No hate. Just Audiard thanking @Rooney in Paris for the donations made in his honor

Green Book, Crash, Driving Miss Daisy, American Beauty, The Shape Of Water, Nomadland would like a word!

Huh. I didn't realize Driving Miss Daisy and American Beauty were controversial picks at all. Definitely the other ones for sure, but I must have totally missed the polarization on those.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

It's bad and people should stop giving Audiard money to make films.

You have to admire his moxie for making a musical with no singers and no tunes!

No hate. Just Audiard thanking @Rooney in Paris for the donations made in his honor



Huh. I didn't realize Driving Miss Daisy and American Beauty were controversial picks at all. Definitely the other ones for sure, but I must have totally missed the polarization on those.

I think they’re polarizing in the sense that better movies lost out to them. ?

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

You have to admire his moxie for making a music with no singers and no tunes!

I think they’re polarizing in the sense that better movies lost out to them. ?

Interesting what movies in particular do you mean for those two? American Beauty was one of the few deserving winners for my tastes.

Personally, I'd say one of the worst Best Pictures was Annie Hall in 1977.

 

[Sweet Square]

Interesting what movies in particular do you mean for those two? American Beauty was one of the few deserving winners for my tastes.

Personally, I'd say one of the worst Best Pictures was Annie Hall in 1977.

American Beauty beat The Insider and Sam Mendes won best director over Micheal Mann.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

American Beauty beat The Insider and Sam Mendes won best director over Micheal Mann.

That’s my answer too.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Interesting what movies in particular do you mean for those two? American Beauty was one of the few deserving winners for my tastes.

Personally, I'd say one of the worst Best Pictures was Annie Hall in 1977.

1977 was a strange year for movies. In hindsight it’s criminal they didn’t award Best Picture to Star Wars. Saturday Night Fever, Equus, The Goodbye Girl, Julia, The Spy Who Loved Me, The Turning Point, etc., just don’t resonate any longer. Star Wars was a phenomenon but the Academy was dominated by bookish nerds obsessed with casual sex.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

I wouldn't really say American Beauty is polarizing for beating The Insider. That was not a beloved movie then and is not a beloved movie now, unlike Goodfellas or Saving Private Ryan.

American Beauty won the BAFTA, Mendes won the Director's Guild award, and it won the National Board of Review.

It's more polarizing because critics were way over the top about it at the time and it receded after a few years so there was a bit of backlash. Spacey being Spacey will kill any reconsideration in the near future too.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Emilia Perez got 13 nominations? Haven't seen it, but certainly seems a bit much to me. If it wins BP it seems to me it will be the most polarizing win pretty much ever.

I have not seen many of the nominated films, so as of yet I'm kind of indifferent do the nominations. Dune 2 is the one I thought deserved more, but it was probably released too early.

Either way, category fraud happens every year basically. Culkin seems to be the most obvious example this year, no way someone that is on screen 65% of the running time could ever be considered supporting.

Most movies with a bunch of Oscar nominations had broad appeal cutting across multiple demographics. Emilia Perez is narrowcasting. Cut out some of the older films on the list.
Pretty much every film on this list below is better than Emilia Perez. Lincoln is the exception, fecking hated it.

14 NOMINATIONS
Titanic, 20th Century Fox and Paramount, 1997 (11 awards)

13 NOMINATIONS
Forrest Gump, Paramount, 1994 (6 awards)
Shakespeare in Love, Miramax, 1998 (7 awards)
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, New Line, 2001 (4 awards)
Chicago, Miramax, 2002 (6 awards)
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Paramount and Warner Bros., 2008 (3 awards)

12 NOMINATIONS
Reds, Paramount, 1981 (3 awards)
Dances With Wolves, Orion, 1990 (7 awards)
Schindler's List, Universal, 1993 (7 awards)
The English Patient, Miramax, 1996 (9 awards)
Gladiator, DreamWorks and Universal, 2000 (5 awards)
The King's Speech, The Weinstein Company, 2010 (4 awards)
Lincoln, Walt Disney/20th Century Fox, 2012 (2 awards)
The Revenant, 20th Century Fox, 2015 (3 awards)

11 NOMINATIONS
West Side Story, United Artists, 1961 (10 awards)
Oliver!, Columbia, 1968 (5 awards, plus 1 Honorary award)
Chinatown, Paramount, 1974 (1 award)
The Godfather Part II, Paramount, 1974 (6 awards)
Julia, 20th Century-Fox, 1977 (3 awards)
The Turning Point, 20th Century-Fox, 1977 (0 awards)
Gandhi, Columbia, 1982 (8 awards)
Terms of Endearment, Paramount, 1983 (5 awards)
Amadeus, Orion, 1984 (8 awards)
A Passage to India, Columbia, 1984 (2 awards)
The Color Purple, Warner Bros., 1985 (0 awards)
Out of Africa, Universal, 1985 (7 awards)
Saving Private Ryan, DreamWorks/Paramount, 1998 (5 awards)
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, New Line, 2003 (11 awards)
The Aviator, Miramax, Initial Entertainment Group and Warner Bros., 2004 (5 awards)
Hugo, Paramount, 2011 (5 awards)
Life of Pi, 20th Century Fox, 2012 (4 awards)

10 NOMINATIONS
The Apartment, United Artists, 1960 (5 awards)
Lawrence of Arabia, Columbia, 1962 (7 awards)
Tom Jones, United Artists, 1963 (4 awards)
Doctor Zhivago, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, 1965 (5 awards)
The Sound of Music, 20th Century-Fox, 1965 (5 awards)
Bonnie and Clyde, Warner Bros.-Seven Arts, 1967 (2 awards)
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Columbia, 1967 (2 awards)
Anne of the Thousand Days, Universal, 1969 (1 award)
Airport, Universal, 1970 (1 award)
Patton, 20th Century-Fox, 1970 (7 awards)
Cabaret, Allied Artists, 1972 (8 awards)
The Godfather, Paramount, 1972 (3 awards)
The Exorcist, Warner Bros., 1973 (2 awards)
The Sting, Universal, 1973 (7 awards)
Network, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer/United Artists, 1976 (4 awards)
Rocky, United Artists, 1976 (3 awards)
Star Wars, 20th Century-Fox, 1977 (6 awards, plus 1 Special Achievement award)
On Golden Pond, Universal, 1981 (3 awards)
Tootsie, Columbia, 1982 (1 award)
Bugsy, TriStar, 1991 (2 awards)
Braveheart, Paramount, 1995 (5 awards)
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Sony Pictures Classics, 2000 (4 awards)
Gangs of New York, Miramax, 2002 (0 awards)
Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World, 20th Century Fox, 2003 (2 awards)
Slumdog Millionaire, Fox Searchlight, 2008 (8 awards)
True Grit, Paramount, 2010 (0 awards)
The Artist, The Weinstein Company, 2011 (5 awards)
American Hustle, Sony Pictures Releasing, 2013 (0 awards)
Gravity, Warner Bros., 2013 (7 awards)
Mad Max: Fury Road, Warner Bros., 2015 (6 awards)

 

[Idxomer]

It seems to piss off both the Trumpers and arthouse snobs so I'd say yes it's probably unfairly review bombed

Mexicans are the group who hate it the most.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

American Beauty beat The Insider and Sam Mendes won best director over Micheal Mann.

That’s my answer too.

Yeah, I don't know about this. I actually really liked The Insider, I thought it was Crowe's best performance at the time but no one I talked to really shared my view about The Insider then. I think it's a great movie and important historically, but American Beauty captured the cultural moment of 1999 perfectly and I think it really deserved to win, unlike a lot of other years' winners. Although I do remember wondering how the heck Thomas Michael dated Mena Suvari when he was such a wanker.