i'd rather have chelsea's oscar than this one
Oscar de Marcos
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
I've not seen enough of him to say either way with any conviction. From the little I've saw, yeah I think he's worth looking at as something of a wildcard option - versatile all-rounder, worked his way up the ranks and won't cost a fortune. I'd be looking at Herrera as a midfield option or Muniain for a bit of spark but if they're not feasible then I wouldn't be disappointed to see us bring in De Marcos in. He'd be one of the few players that could play in any setup we want to play, even offering us a completely different option on the wings in times like these. He's been one of the best players for a team that has finished within 4 points of a CL spot, finished runner up in the Europa League final and made us look like amateurs in the process. He'd offer some of the energy and intelligent movement that Park offered us along with a bit more on the ball and in the final third. His buyout clause is €32m but he shouldn't go for much more than £15-20m, compared to €30m+ for Muniain.
So what are these other positions in different formations? He's only played in a midfield 3 for Bilbao which is how he's bombed forward to get a goal or two. As for a comparison with Park, was he worth £15-20 million?
You must be thinking of Benat.
Not really a special talent, wouldn't waste our time with have Young.
I could easily see him playing centre mid alongside Carrick/Fletcher, any of the three midfield positions in the diamond ahead of Carrick/Fletcher and on either wing. He'd complement every midfielder in the squad and offer us some much-needed energy. He doesn't stand out technically but then neither did Pablo Hernandez who now looks a class above most in the league. Bringing in De Marcos would mean another step towards a quick passing game and a more flexible setup and in that sense £15m doesn't seem like an awful lot.
Whilst he wasn't the stand out player, he never looked poor. One of those players that fitted in and played his part. Last match I saw was the Barca game and he didn't stand out (pretty hard to against Barca and in losing 5-1) but I'll admit my attention wasn't fully on the game.
I'd prefer Herrera. He's a gem of a midfielder. Impressed me every time I've seen him.
Pablo was always a good player at Valencia but super inconsistant. Only 1 season where he looked like Valencia's long term right winger. And I havent been impressed with him at Swansea apart from the typical quality goal he scored. He would do that at Valencia too, score with a great finish then go 4 or 5 games without doing much. Reminds me of Young now I think about it.
De Marcos has energy no doubt about it, but having always played in a 3 are we really to assume he'll be the same (or better) player in a midfield 2? I'm pretty sure I've read you making points in the past about players who played in a midfield 3, maybe it was in the Sahin thread.
I do think he'd be a good option to the left or more likely the right of a diamond but again, we havent seen him play there. He's definitely more mobile than our other central midfielders who get picked on the right, Cleverley and Fletcher.
Before anyone mentions it, yes he was picked once at left back. Bilbao conceeded 5 and lost the match. I'm not sure thats a ringing endorsement.
Interestingly he's playing on the left of their midfield 3 and has been sent off twice. He's doing much more defensively though and just through the indiscipline he's had an up and down season.
Caught Bilbao again tonight, just wanted to laugh once again at the idea that he passes like Scholes again. What a crazy comment that wasy. Passes wind maybe.
Did what he normally does, good movement to support the front man Aduriz and was unlucky to hit the bar with a header in the first half. Didnt do anything else of note. As a comparison to his teammate, Ander Herrerra played 122 passes with 86% accuracy and one key pass. De Marcos played 45 passes with 82% pass accuracy and 0 key passes.
Did what he normally does, good movement to support the front man Aduriz and was unlucky to hit the bar with a header in the first half. Didnt do anything else of note. As a comparison to his teammate, Ander Herrerra played 122 passes with 86% accuracy and one key pass. De Marcos played 45 passes with 82% pass accuracy and 0 key passes.
Passes like Scholes? Isn't he a energetic player, runs around a lot, has some nice dribbling skills and is a decent shooter. Pretty much a jack of all trades, master of none, can cover most positions across the midfield.
What's the main difference between him and Cleverley, besides that he's usually in a more attacking role.
What's the main difference between him and Cleverley, besides that he's usually in a more attacking role.
Cleverley makes a lot of passes is more influencial and plays in a 2 man midfield.
De Marcos makes marginally more tackles, more interceptions and plays only in a midfield 3 at Bilbao. His speciality is running to support the front players which he does well but with mixed results. In this game for example he was put through and the ball was on his left foot to shoot. He chose to use the outside of his right foot and flicked it straight at the keeper instead. On the other hand when he isnt wasteful, he scores some good looking goals like against us in the europa. He has a lot more in common with Fletcher than with Cleverley
De Marcos makes marginally more tackles, more interceptions and plays only in a midfield 3 at Bilbao. His speciality is running to support the front players which he does well but with mixed results. In this game for example he was put through and the ball was on his left foot to shoot. He chose to use the outside of his right foot and flicked it straight at the keeper instead. On the other hand when he isnt wasteful, he scores some good looking goals like against us in the europa. He has a lot more in common with Fletcher than with Cleverley
Wouldn't say that. I still see him more like Cleverley would be in front of a midfield two. Cleverley doesn't just play in a 2 man midfield. He's probably played more in a midfield of 3 in his career here. Just not in the furthest part. Offensively he has little in common with Fletcher.
I'm not surprised he has more tackled and interceptions given the tactics that Athletic deploy. They are a high paced, high pressuring team.
I'm not surprised he has more tackled and interceptions given the tactics that Athletic deploy. They are a high paced, high pressuring team.
Fletcher has shown some seasons he can score more than Cleverley has in CM. Not every season but when he was at his best. De Marcos is nothing like Cleverley, he's a very average passer.
Don't know about that. Cleverly will surpass Fletcher's career goal tally in a season or two. He only needs two more this season to match Fletcher's best.
De Marcos and Cleverley are both energetic midfielders, capable of play anywhere across the midfield. Both capable of scoring a nice goal from outside the box. I'd say they two have more in common than any other player in our team has with De Marcos. That's all I'm getting at.
De Marcos and Cleverley are both energetic midfielders, capable of play anywhere across the midfield. Both capable of scoring a nice goal from outside the box. I'd say they two have more in common than any other player in our team has with De Marcos. That's all I'm getting at.
De Marcos plays midfield 3. He played left back once when Bilbao got crushed. We can speculate about where he could play, but in reality he plays right of a midfield 3. And every single thing you have said about De Marcos is exactly the same as with Fletcher.
The main thing Cleverley brings is passing and some control in midfield. These are things De Marcos is only average at and what he lacks to be a one of the better prospects for a midfielder.
The main thing Cleverley brings is passing and some control in midfield. These are things De Marcos is only average at and what he lacks to be a one of the better prospects for a midfielder.
Nah. Fletcher doesn't dribble past players, is good at one-twos or is of much use on the flanks. I don't rate his attacking game that much. It's what prevents him from being a truly great midfielder. He's gotten very far on hard work rather than talent. If I were to rank our midfielders from best to worst regarding their attacking attributes I'd place Fletcher at the bottom.
De Marcos isnt a dribbler. He makes runs off the ball, not on it and you didnt say that in the previous post that I was responding to.
Funnily enough though with Fletcher's 2 matches in the league so far he's dribbled more than De Marcos or Cleverley or any of our CMs. Anyway De Marcos dribbles often enough to be joint 15th at United if he were here. Not a dribbler.
Fletcher has played more on the flanks than De Marcos both in terms of full careers and also this season with Fletcher played RM in a diamond. Thats more than 0 times for De Marcos.
De Marcos is also about hard work his only real talent is reading the attacking play to get into a good position.
In his limited involvement so far this season Fletcher has averaged the most passes for the team and has found the pass to create a chance as much as Carrick has managed that most of our cms.
Funnily enough though with Fletcher's 2 matches in the league so far he's dribbled more than De Marcos or Cleverley or any of our CMs. Anyway De Marcos dribbles often enough to be joint 15th at United if he were here. Not a dribbler.
Fletcher has played more on the flanks than De Marcos both in terms of full careers and also this season with Fletcher played RM in a diamond. Thats more than 0 times for De Marcos.
De Marcos is also about hard work his only real talent is reading the attacking play to get into a good position.
In his limited involvement so far this season Fletcher has averaged the most passes for the team and has found the pass to create a chance as much as Carrick has managed that most of our cms.
Fletcher's stats this season mean jack shit to be honest. You can't use them at all as a yard stick to measure by. Too little of a sample.
MR in a diamond is not the same as being on the wing. Fletcher is a very limited player on the right.
Besides those two covering a lot of ground I don't see them having a lot in common besides attempted tackles. You can't honestly say by looking at De Marcos play you think "hmm, he reminds me a bit of Fletcher". I think the stats are messing with your head a bit.
Just because he doesn't dribble a lot doesn't mean that he's bad at it. You have to take into account of how the teams play. Would you call Munaín a dribbler? Because stats wise he's behind De Marcos (who's at the top in that regards at Athletic).
MR in a diamond is not the same as being on the wing. Fletcher is a very limited player on the right.
Besides those two covering a lot of ground I don't see them having a lot in common besides attempted tackles. You can't honestly say by looking at De Marcos play you think "hmm, he reminds me a bit of Fletcher". I think the stats are messing with your head a bit.
Just because he doesn't dribble a lot doesn't mean that he's bad at it. You have to take into account of how the teams play. Would you call Munaín a dribbler? Because stats wise he's behind De Marcos (who's at the top in that regards at Athletic).
No he isnt
Muniain has 4th most dribbles in the league. De Marcos is joint 136th most dribbles in the league. Where are you getting this nonsense? Maybe watch them play a match rather than using dodgy stats to determine what type of player De Marcos is. He's almost the opposite of a dribbler, he makes runs off the ball not on it.The idea that it's who Martin Ferguson was watching is all guesswork, it could pretty much be anyone in that front 6 apart from Aduriz.
And his pass completion is generally exceptional, whereas De Marcos' is average, especially in a passing side like Bilbao.
Herrera was the man against us. Thought he was quality. Didn't get the same praise as others though