Not the only Bilbao player that the CAF don't give a shit about, what are the odds?
Oscar de Marcos
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why stop a lars...i want sven as well, two benders are better than one.
We could Bender City out of shape with those boys.
Bilbao have some great young players
We should just buy Iniesta and Busquets.
A midfielder? Bullshit.
Yeah exactly, this deal is potentially too logical to happen.
Well he's basically an off the ball runner into good positions and then quite a few misses. Which I'd argue isnt really a logical signing for us, so it might happen. If it does it'd probably be just to provide the energy Fletch used to give us in the middle, but he uses it quite differently. It would be logical if we didnt have Powell coming through to give us goals from midfield.
Taken from his wiki page
On 17 December 2011, de Marcos played roughly one hour of the league fixture against Real Zaragoza (2–1 home win) with a tear in his scrotum, which later required 25 stitches.[3] On 4 January of the following year he extended his contract with the Lions until June 2016, with a release clause of €32 million.[4]
On 17 December 2011, de Marcos played roughly one hour of the league fixture against Real Zaragoza (2–1 home win) with a tear in his scrotum, which later required 25 stitches.[3] On 4 January of the following year he extended his contract with the Lions until June 2016, with a release clause of €32 million.[4]
Yep, a man who plays through a torn scrotum should immediately be given an extended contract.
...Hi all;
I was in the crowd on October 7th when Atletic Bilbao played Osasuna, nabbing a 1-0 draw. One reason why I was at the match was to admire Oscar de Marcos - and he impressed me once again hugely, with an assist to boot.
I have now seen him play on 12 different occasions (all live at the stadium, not on TV); and in every single one of those games he has been outstanding.
He is one of the most versatile players I have seen; dropping deep (in to the back four) and getting right up into the box as a supporting striker. The quality he possesses with the ball at feet is quite admirable to be frank. He is cool, composed and picks passes with a deft touch (Scholes-like to be honest).
I know we have been linked with him in the past, but I really hope our interest isn't just rumours because this boy is class.
I lived in Dortmund for 3 years, watching Gotze grow from a 16 year old until what he is now and I can solemnly say that De Marcos beats Gotze hands down for raw talent.
I know I will get a comical reaction from those who think I am an idiot for thinking that; just because they know Gotze is great on FM and Fifa etc; but from watching in person, Oscar De Marcos is outstanding.
Just want to hear you views
I don't get it, we've get one guy saying he's like Scholes and more talented than Gotze, then someone else saying he's basically another Fletcher. Something doesn't add up.
Brwned
You may or may not be perturbed to know that his season stats say that he is not up to standard for Manchester United.
Who is the voice of truth - the cold emotionless stats or the mysterious poster?
This is exciting.
I'd personally pay attention to the opinion of someone who's watched him live regularly before I'd pay attention to the stats. Both need to be taken with a pinch of salt regardless. Maybe you can judge an attacker purely on stats and get a rough idea of what he contributes in the final third but I can't see how you can get any idea of a midfielder's contribution from stats.
Really?
You would favour the opinion of an everyday fan who goes to the game! Perhaps if he were a person of a football background then I might agree.
For one he claims that the 23 year old De Marcos, who has won only 5 international junior caps, is a better raw talent than the full international and exceptional 20 year old Gotze. It seems an absurd proposition whichever way you look at it. Whilst suggesting that the experts in the Spanish national setup have erroneously overlooked his talent.
I would rather hope that De Marcos is a stab in the dark by a lazy journalist or a leaked cover story.
What are these statistics that tell you how good/poor a midfielder is?
13 Apps
3 goals
1 Assist
37.6 avg passes
77.5% pass completion
0.8 key passes per game
2.6 tackles
1.8 interceptions
Mediocre, I am sure that you will agree.
Buying players is about fitting them into a system and adding to squad needs. Are Marcos and Gotze comparable in a position we need to strengthen, and is Gotze even available?
Tbh I'll be giving more weightage to someone who has went to the match rather than the stats. Liverpools policy of buying Henderson and Downing on the basis of stats has proved that stats aren't the greatest way of judging a player. Atleast in comparison to watching that player perform in person.
He's a Spanish midfielder. On that basis, we should sign him up.
It is no secret that eye witness testimony is woefully flawed. If you are talking about an expert in the field of football who has watched him, then fair enough. When someone comes out with an outlandish statement that he is a better raw talent than a 20 year who is already operating at the very highest level of world football, when De Marcos is already 23, you have to raise an eyebrow to the quality of testimony.
Personally I am factoring in his stats, the times when I have seen him play (I barely noticed him on a few occasions) and how his career has progressed so far.
From these factors. I am skeptical that he is of the required quality to improve our weakest area. We don't need another 4th or 5th choice midfielder.
Did the Pool sign those players from stats?
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
His stats may be average but I'd wager most if not all of Bilbao's players are. Been poor this season, nothing like they were last term.
Post the stats of one of their superstar/more popular players.
Post the stats of one of their superstar/more popular players.
Their best outfield performer statistically, according to Whoscored is Markel Susaeta. They have any superstars, just prospects.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/30638
De Marcos is their 8th best player this season by their statistical ranking.
I take your point and it is valid, stats never tell the whole story or even close, you have to appreciate context and then you are still left with bits missing.
Did he impress you when you have seen him play?
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/32/
Buttner, Evra, and Fletcher have been 3 of our 4 best players this season according to the same statistical ranking. Yeah, right.
Buttner, Evra, and Fletcher have been 3 of our 4 best players this season according to the same statistical ranking. Yeah, right.
Buttner and Fletcher have not played enough games to be considered in the rankings. I think that you have to have 6 starts before you can be considered on the official player chart. Evra has been fairly good this season and he has got a couple of goals and assists, however, one (of many) flaws of those rankings is that they do not factor for chances conceded down the flanks. They do however, on our team strengths and weaknesses page say that one of our weaknesses is conceding chances on the flanks.
Again, I have never said that stats tell the whole story because they don't come anywhere close to. You have to have some comprehension of context otherwise they are completely meaningless.
Passing like Scholes 
Those stats are the most worthless thing I have ever seen. Ever.
Who's this moron banging on about stats?
What the feck is this stats man on about?! People are losing all sense of fecking reality these days. Get to a game and watch a player, get off your computer you gimps.
This coming from the guy who started a serious thread on training an extra tall goalkeeper for 15 years to save penalties in international tournaments.
The key difference is that all clubs use stats as part of their analysis, preparation and scouting, whilst no footballing person has ever had the absurd and pointless idea that you proposed.
This coming from the guy who started a serious thread on training an extra tall goalkeeper for 15 years to save penalties in international tournaments.
The key difference is that all clubs use stats as part of their analysis, preparation and scouting, whilst no footballing person has ever had the absurd and pointless idea that you proposed.
hmmmmm, are you sure?
He seemed serious about it to me when I posted in there. He is a superb WUM though so who knows. It is hard to imagine who could be serious about such an idea.
The stats say no team has ever failed at training a penalty saving expert goalkeeper
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This coming from the guy who started a serious thread on training an extra tall goalkeeper for 15 years to save penalties in international tournaments.
The key difference is that all clubs use stats as part of their analysis, preparation and scouting, whilst no footballing person has ever had the absurd and pointless idea that you proposed.
there is no way on earth that was a serious thread.He didn't really stand out when they demolished us last season, at least not in the way Herrara and Martinez did.
He had the same stats last season yet was acknowledged by many as one of Bilbao's key players. Versatile too.
I find it hard to believe some don't remember him given he scored home and away v us.
Would you like to see him at OT, do you think that he is good enough to make a difference?
I bet if he came to the Premier League and joined us, he's immediately look like a technical genius. Yes, he isn't the most eye-catching from the Bilbao side, but I'd bet he'd stand out in our midfield.