They are very different characters, there is little similarity between them. I'm sure that any third film will be about trying to find out/expose who Batman is, and The Riddler fits with that.
ooh, Batman's on ITV
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They are very different characters, there is little similarity between them. I'm sure that any third film will be about trying to find out/expose who Batman is, and The Riddler fits with that.
there were some hints to him and catwoman
the accountant who attempted to bribe him was mister reese (mysteries) yes i know the riddler was edward nygma but who knows?
and when bale needs a new suit he asks if it can stop dogs, fox's reply was it could stop a cat.
who knows what nolan will do, and for those that say depp as the riddler, no thank you, i would rather not have it ruined in that way.
EDIT: its been a while but IIRC there was an edward nygma at one stage as a journalist in TDK, who wrote about the majors death
oi sam, i bet you wish you'd carried on reading before posting, i posted some the post above yours!
Just seen a blog with a lot of speculation about hints and future villains, its quite long so I've spoiler tagged it:
Does The Dark Knight contain clues on Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman? - Coventry Telegraph - The Geek Files
In a logical and quite brilliant piece of deduction, it's been suggested that characters in the Batman blockbuster The Dark Knight have been set up to become the villains Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman.
A commenter on The Geek Files has found possible clues in the film that indicate William Fichtner (right) could become the Penguin and that Joshua Harto's role is set to evolve into the Riddler. He also theorises that Bruce Wayne's Russian ballerina girlfriend Natascha, played by Beatrice Rosen, will become Catwoman.
Fichtner played the gun-toting bank manager who encountered the Joker in the opening robbery sequence, while Harto was Coleman Reese, a Wayne Enterprises employee who believed he'd figured out Batman and Bruce were one and the same.
This is unproven speculation of course, but it has a lot more logic than most of the online 'reports' where various names are randomly thrown into the air.
The commenter, called Brozic, recently added their views to an earlier article I'd written on villain possibilities for the next instalment. Brozic said: "The actors have already been decided and revealed in the Dark Knight." Read on to find out more!
He explains: "Look at the clues: Joshua Harto (pictured left, who played Coleman Reese) is the Riddler. The scene with him planning to blackmail Bruce Wayne is where he develops his hatred for both Batman and Bruce Wayne. Not only this, but his name is Mr. Reese... "Mysteries". An alias of the Riddler."
"Next, the Penguin. William Fichtner. Disregard his bird-like appearance and there's still an abundance of clues. To start with, he's too good of an actor to be signed solely for two minutes as a bank owner.
"Secondly, while breaking into the vault, one of the guys mentions that it's a 'mob bank'. Penguin, in his original role, and in Batman: The Animated Series, is a mob leader.
"Thirdly, he gets shot in the leg which explains the Penguin's limp (meaning his waddling walk?). And finally, the Joker foreshadows the change when he says, "What doesn't kill you makes you stranger", alluding to a change in the bank manager."
Brozic adds that he believes Batman's girlfriend Natascha (Beatrice Rosen, right) will become Catwoman.
He said: "This one is not nearly as clear.. but it seems to fit. Natascha, the Russian ballerina that Bruce Wayne is dating, fits the romance between Batman and Catwoman's aliases, and also the Russian portrayal of Catwoman in the Adam West television series. The ballerina idea also helps the idea of why she would be light on her feet and acrobatic."
Of course, there's plenty of other speculation going around. Comments by producer Charles Roven regarding Heath Ledger's Joker that "we have to separate the actors from the role" have been interpreted to mean that another actor could play the archvillain, while Aaron Eckhart spoke about his role as Harvey Dent/Two-Face to MTV, saying: "I think Harvey - if he's not dead - is in a serious coma, and I'm not sure he's coming out. They might pull the plug on him.." That was interpreted by some sites to mean Two-Face is coming back.
I'm going to dismiss the Joker and Two-Face ideas because a) the quotes are being made to mean something they never said b) it would cheapen the first movie if Dent came back c) it's time for other villains d) fanboys are always unable to let go, I've seen this so often with other films (the X-Men franchise in particular)
A commenter on The Geek Files has found possible clues in the film that indicate William Fichtner (right) could become the Penguin and that Joshua Harto's role is set to evolve into the Riddler. He also theorises that Bruce Wayne's Russian ballerina girlfriend Natascha, played by Beatrice Rosen, will become Catwoman.
Fichtner played the gun-toting bank manager who encountered the Joker in the opening robbery sequence, while Harto was Coleman Reese, a Wayne Enterprises employee who believed he'd figured out Batman and Bruce were one and the same.
This is unproven speculation of course, but it has a lot more logic than most of the online 'reports' where various names are randomly thrown into the air.
The commenter, called Brozic, recently added their views to an earlier article I'd written on villain possibilities for the next instalment. Brozic said: "The actors have already been decided and revealed in the Dark Knight." Read on to find out more!
He explains: "Look at the clues: Joshua Harto (pictured left, who played Coleman Reese) is the Riddler. The scene with him planning to blackmail Bruce Wayne is where he develops his hatred for both Batman and Bruce Wayne. Not only this, but his name is Mr. Reese... "Mysteries". An alias of the Riddler."
"Next, the Penguin. William Fichtner. Disregard his bird-like appearance and there's still an abundance of clues. To start with, he's too good of an actor to be signed solely for two minutes as a bank owner.
"Secondly, while breaking into the vault, one of the guys mentions that it's a 'mob bank'. Penguin, in his original role, and in Batman: The Animated Series, is a mob leader.
"Thirdly, he gets shot in the leg which explains the Penguin's limp (meaning his waddling walk?). And finally, the Joker foreshadows the change when he says, "What doesn't kill you makes you stranger", alluding to a change in the bank manager."
Brozic adds that he believes Batman's girlfriend Natascha (Beatrice Rosen, right) will become Catwoman.
He said: "This one is not nearly as clear.. but it seems to fit. Natascha, the Russian ballerina that Bruce Wayne is dating, fits the romance between Batman and Catwoman's aliases, and also the Russian portrayal of Catwoman in the Adam West television series. The ballerina idea also helps the idea of why she would be light on her feet and acrobatic."
Of course, there's plenty of other speculation going around. Comments by producer Charles Roven regarding Heath Ledger's Joker that "we have to separate the actors from the role" have been interpreted to mean that another actor could play the archvillain, while Aaron Eckhart spoke about his role as Harvey Dent/Two-Face to MTV, saying: "I think Harvey - if he's not dead - is in a serious coma, and I'm not sure he's coming out. They might pull the plug on him.." That was interpreted by some sites to mean Two-Face is coming back.
I'm going to dismiss the Joker and Two-Face ideas because a) the quotes are being made to mean something they never said b) it would cheapen the first movie if Dent came back c) it's time for other villains d) fanboys are always unable to let go, I've seen this so often with other films (the X-Men franchise in particular)
Does The Dark Knight contain clues on Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman? - Coventry Telegraph - The Geek Files
some of those in that nick are laughable IMO, why have all of them in both films?
however maybe one of them is possible, most likely catwoman
however maybe one of them is possible, most likely catwoman
I didn't write it! I just saw it and thought I'd share!
I ain't got a clue who's going to be in it, I just hope that whoever they do go for it maintains the quality of the last two.
I ain't got a clue who's going to be in it, I just hope that whoever they do go for it maintains the quality of the last two.
i wasn't claiming you did write it, i just aimed it at you as you had also read it and i didn't want to give too many hints on what it says.
the mister reese one is ridiculous, imagine a fat riddler
and penguin, no chance, ledger and eckhart weren't very big names so that makes its point on that is ridiclous
the mister reese one is ridiculous, imagine a fat riddler
and penguin, no chance, ledger and eckhart weren't very big names so that makes its point on that is ridiclous
Ah I see. Well the Reese one is a little redundant imo as I believe Riddler aims to find out who Batman is, when Reese already knows, right?
yes that is true, it missed out the biggest catwoman hint which i posted earlier aswell
The Riddler in the comics is one of the few people who knows who Batman is. But doesn't tell anyone as he likes to be one of the few who knows the answer to Gotham's biggest riddle.
So it could still be him?!
Ask Georgi Markov how serious umbrellas can be. Besides I think the last 2 films contained their fair share of ludicrous plot points. Sure the Dark Knight was particularly miserable and pretentious but it didn't stop it being somewhat silly. It may actually help the franchise if it were to lighten up a bit.
Personally I'd like to see Killer Croc.
Pengiun is probably the most realistic villain they could use, he would easily fit into the new films, hes jut a mob boss and we've seen plenty of them. He just happens to wear a hat and carries an umbrella.
no matter how silly some parts of TDK were killer croc is ridiculous to bring in, i'm a more realistic villain as a skinny salfordian 17 year old!
black mask could work, maybe as the son of william earle so he would naturall have a hatred for bruce who sacked his father from being chair of wayne enterprises
black mask could work, maybe as the son of william earle so he would naturall have a hatred for bruce who sacked his father from being chair of wayne enterprises
If they remade Penguin then yeah he would work, as like you said he's a normal mob boss just with an obsession with birds and the like.
Killer Croc? Get away, not a chance in hell would he work.
Black Mask is a good shout, Firefly would work alright in my opinion and as someone said Deadshot would easily fit in.
Well no, Ledger was a very big name coming off the back of Brokeback where most people agreed he was the best thing in it. He had artistic cred at that point as well as a huge tweeny commercial following which is why it was so controversial at the time.
Oh hell no....If anything it needs to be darker, with a an upturn into a happyish ending. These are Nolans Batmans, let someone else do the lighter ones, which is why I agree with Weaste the character should be killed off at the end....Honestly.
As for sillyness, yes both Begins and TDK veered into ridiculousness at the end. The problem with them is that since they were so far above any other comic book film people naturally started comparing them to serious drama's, and thats where the hype got too much cos really, the last 30 minutes of both are silly comic book stuff...The Hallucinagenic gas making everyone crazy and Batman grapple hooking a speeding train and then the bizarre and visually confusing Sonar bit (and the logistical gaps in the ferry scenes) where both too much for a "realistic" film....So they have some leeway. But you can't start having mutant super villians, that would destroy it IMO
I actually think that Penguin rumour would make a lot of sense in Nolans universe....But the whole casting of that actor was more of a nod to Heat than it was to a latter staring role. I think Nolan said as much
I'd like to see how Penguin could be reinvented and add poison Ivy to the mix to steer away from Catwoman?
Personally I love both films, they were excellent throughout. It's Sci-Fi so you've got to accept that some of the scenes will be a little far fetched.
Personally I love both films, they were excellent throughout. It's Sci-Fi so you've got to accept that some of the scenes will be a little far fetched.
to be fair no one knew if it was just a one hit wonder so to speak, he had played a few roles in unsuccessful films or fleeting appearances in big films before brokeback and eventually TDK
Hmmmm, I'd debate that. He'd been critically acclaimed in those "fleeting appearances" and 10 Things I hate about you and Knight's Tale weren't unsuccessful (no matter how shit they were)....He was bigger than Bale was when he was cast
looking at awards nominations now his best nominations before brokeback were a few australian nominations and on the worldwide scheme best kiss in a knights tale
bale on the other hand hand several nominations and won some best actors awards
(also looking at it i'm surprised nothing is listed for bale in equilibrium, which is a very good film IMO)
bale on the other hand hand several nominations and won some best actors awards
(also looking at it i'm surprised nothing is listed for bale in equilibrium, which is a very good film IMO)
Well that's a bit selective...You haven't mentioned that most of Bale's awards prior to the Machinist, which was the same year as Brokeback, are exactly the same. MTV awards, British Critic awards and Empire film awards...There's also some Scream awards and awards I've never heard of. Hardly stella. Ledger was a much bigger 'draw' than Bale was prior to Begins. But that's also fairly redundant since you're actually comparing him to William Fichtner, who has nothing like as big a profile as either of them, either for Awards or commercially, or even Aaron Eckhart, who'd at least been the romantic foil or leading man in 2 or 3 major films before TDK
this also must be one of the most pointless arguments I've ever had on here
this also must be one of the most pointless arguments I've ever had on here
I liked A Knight's Tale...