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what does ronaldinho look like for PSG has anyone seen? and i dont mean his googly face i mean his form :p
 
Henry, he is the best forward in the world at the moment and he would give us what we dont have - pace up front. I really dont see what the fuss is about Ronaldinho. I watched all the Brazil WC games but he's certainly no Rivaldo and while he was a good player I must be missing something? Dont seem to hear too much about him with PSG either.
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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he's coming good just as the english autumn is arriving when he'll not fancy it again. . .shame.

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You're the team who bought a shed load of sun loving African's this summer.

We'll see how they respond to the British winter shall we.

Seba will don his thermals do the bizz, no worries.
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>Henry, he is the best forward in the world at the moment and he would give us what we dont have - pace up front. I really dont see what the fuss is about Ronaldinho. I watched all the Brazil WC games but he's certainly no Rivaldo and while he was a good player I must be missing something? Dont seem to hear too much about him with PSG either.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Beg to disagree on all three points.

1. Henry is not the best striker in the world. On the world scene (whatever excuse we may have about the WC tiredness etc) he did not deliver when it mattered to the French team.

2. In the first half in thre WC, England were well in control and the Brazilians at sixes and sevens with RIO snuffing out any attack away... Do you remember the run which ROnaldinho made for the first goal? THATS WHAT UNITED NEED. Someone to provide the magic when things are not moving. What we needed against Bayer in the semis.

2. The reason you have not heard much about him at PSG is cos he hast played. Will be playing his first 90 minutes tonight.
 
So with Henry not delivering for the French team where would that leave Ruud on the scale of world strikers? Ronny did make a nice run for the 1st goal but £25m based on that?? Joe Cole could do that for half the price.

Having Henry (or Trezaguet or even Owen) up front alongside Ruud would frighten the shite out of the opposition. A couple of years ago we were lightening quick on the counter attack but we dont have that any more, except for Giggs and he cant hit a barn door most of the time. We lack speed up front and except for Micky and Rio we lack speed at the back as well. This is going to give us a lot of problems during the season and is one of the reasons we didn't cut it last year. Its great having a Veron to "break open" a tight european defence but what would make it easier for Seba would be a sprinter up front to play the ball over the top to, we cant do that at the moment.
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>So with Henry not delivering for the French team where would that leave Ruud on the scale of world strikers? Ronny did make a nice run for the 1st goal but £25m based on that?? Joe Cole could do that for half the price.

Having Henry (or Trezaguet or even Owen) up front alongside Ruud would frighten the shite out of the opposition. A couple of years ago we were lightening quick on the counter attack but we dont have that any more, except for Giggs and he cant hit a barn door most of the time. We lack speed up front and except for Micky and Rio we lack speed at the back as well. This is going to give us a lot of problems during the season and is one of the reasons we didn't cut it last year. Its great having a Veron to "break open" a tight european defence but what would make it easier for Seba would be a sprinter up front to play the ball over the top to, we cant do that at the moment.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I dont disagree with you at all. Infact you have echoed every aspect of what I truly believe. However, I feel that just getting someone like Henry / Best in the world etc will not solve the problem (Look at Verons reputation before). I feel that we need pairs that gel together (Eric with Hughes/McClair earlier; Yorke Cole; Sheri Ole) ..Not just a top player. Ruud is a great predator and I really feel he needs someone who can play just behind and maybe someone without a huge reputation.
 
Easy, Eidur Gudjohnsen. He made Hasselbaink's job so much easier last season, Ruud could get 50 goals a season with that fella alongside him.
 
Originally posted by jcss:
<strong>I prefer Duff over Ronaldindo. He's british.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he's not, but that's just me being pedantic. i agree tho, Duff would be second on my shopping list after Gudjohnsen. ugh i hate talking like this...Ruud is hardly ready for the Traveller's yard (a few games into the season and it sounds like we're forgetting what he's capable of) altho Roko makes a good point about Gudjohnsen being a great foil for Ruud rather than a replacement.

p.s. foil? is that the right word i'm thinking of?

p.p.s. what about Viera? would Arsenal even consider letting him go to United? that would be a coup.

p.p.ps. or Vieri? too old?
 
Originally posted by sunny:
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I dont disagree with you at all. Infact you have echoed every aspect of what I truly believe. However, I feel that just getting someone like Henry / Best in the world etc will not solve the problem (Look at Verons reputation before). I feel that we need pairs that gel together (Eric with Hughes/McClair earlier; Yorke Cole; Sheri Ole) ..Not just a top player. Ruud is a great predator and I really feel he needs someone who can play just behind and maybe someone without a huge reputation.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree to a certain point, Henry would be better than Ronaldinhio. No need for settling time, adjusting to them premiership etc.
In my first post on this issue i suggested Jermaine DeFoe but no-one took any notice. My arguments are simple. DeFoe has really impressed me and done brilliantly in an average team. He is the complete opposite of Ruud. Smaller, quicker and with a better first touch. An ideal foil, with excellent finishing ability
 
buy that bloke from france! erm whats he called? eric cantona...
 
What United needs is a player who is able to step up and grab a game by the balls. Cantona had the ability to do this. There is only one other player right now who can do this, and its Zidane. I don't care how old he is, nobody can determine a game like he can. He is one of the only players who could fill that void of the player behind the striker in Fergie's beloved 4-5-1 system. Fecking brilliant player.
 
Originally posted by CremboMan:
<strong>Michael Ballack</strong><hr></blockquote>

My choice as well. Someone said Bayern wouldn't sell him. How about 30 million? Or money + Veron?

I like Ballack. He can shoot, pass, head and he's big a strong. Just what United needs. A big body in midfield.
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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average french players? 4 in the current french under-21 squad and traore looking the business this season. cheyrou who's recently won his first couple of caps for france. 2 senegalise stars of the world cup.

or the past-it laurent blanc, the error-prone comedian barthez and the good-going-forward-but-ropey-in-defence silvestre. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

How many under 21s really make an impact at the full level. Look. United had Mark Wilson, Jonathan Greening, Wes Brown and Luke Chadwick to name four who played for Englands under 21s. Only Brown has really established him self a a good full player. But, no one would say that he's realized his potential.

So, Blanc maybe old, but atleast he is a proven player. Like it or not, he'd probably would have started for France in last years WC if he hadn't chosen to retire.

To summerize, it's great to have good propects. But, I wouldn't count on half of them making the grade with the big clubs.
 
Duff. Just the type of player we need. Great skill, great potential, and should be able to settle in immediately.
 
The problem with Duff is that he's a left winger. So do we rotate him with Giggs or move Giggs into the middle with Ruud? Look at DD when he plays for Ireland, he starts off upfront with Rkeane and always ends up on the left where he "suddenly" becomes more dangerous.
 
We have an advantage over most clubs as we are one of the few who can potentially spend a fair whack of cash at the start of each season.

I do think, though, that SAF has let Kenyon's generosity go to his head a little. We should invest £30 odd mill in 3 or 4 quality players to boost the squad. We don't need stars, we've got enough. We don't have the resources, or the governmental backing to play fantasy football like Real.

That's why I'd go for Gudjohnsen, who I reckon we could get for abt £12 mill, maybe less if Chelsea miss out on Europe again, a pair of full-backs(maybe Escude and Burdisso for a total of abt £10-11 mill) and Duff for £14-15 mill. That's about £37 mill in fees on young players who, you would think, would only appreciate in value for the next 5 years (esp. the defenders) and, more importantly, provide us with a solid young squad for the foreseeable.
 
I've got another Idea!

JoaquÍn Sánchez Rodríguez

He's a fantastic young Betis player, and would do us good IMO! Great on the right wing for Spain in the World Cup too, and only just turned 22!

Great right midfield player he will be. :)
 
The ideal buy would of course be a 26 year old Eric Cantona. It shouldn't be that big a problem, only invent a time machine and bring him here.

Failing that then my choice would be Ronaldinho.
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>So with Henry not delivering for the French team </strong><hr></blockquote>

He usually plays well for the French team, he hasn't played well recently but usually he does.

Henry is happy with Arsenal. If he leaves it will be for a foreign club.
 
Originally posted by Elfie:
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He usually plays well for the French team, he hasn't played well recently but usually he does.

Henry is happy with Arsenal. If he leaves it will be for a foreign club.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he'll sign for united next season. :D
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Iker Casillas. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

He's Spanish, he plays for the most successful team at the moment, why would he leave Real ?

Anyway, the board has bought Ricardo, the priority is certainly not to buy again another keeper.
 
I would say "Patrick Vieira". But like Henry, he'll nevre come :( .

We should have bought Petit when he was avalaible. He was one of the few French players who didn't play too bad during the WC.

Ronaldinho and Cissé, would be nice if they come.
 
Originally posted by Elfie:
<strong>I would say "Patrick Vieira". But like Henry, he'll nevre come :( .


Ronaldinho and Cissé, would be nice if they come.</strong><hr></blockquote>

henry's the best forward in the PL IMO.

agreed about Ronny and cisse.. we need those types of players... they have alot skill and can take players on.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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henry's the best forward in the PL IMO.
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Agreed, at the moment, definately.
 
i really would have joe cole, i started a topic a few days ago about him! but i really would like to see him in the mighty reds shirt....
 
This looks righht for our next great winger!

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We've already got some of the best players in the world.

How many do we have to buy before we realise that it's more than the personnel???

Yes, we need to strengthen, no argument.

But how has JSV, or Ruud, or Rio, made our results any better! They haven't - they're worse. Which means it goes deeper than just the players.
 
Originally posted by cd:
<strong>So what are you implying Livvie?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wish I had the answer.

Self-belief? Motivation? Dressing-room morale? Finding a style of play that suits the team?

It has to be more than just the players. We've spent 90 million!
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Self-belief? Motivation? Dressing-room morale? Finding a style of play that suits the team?

It has to be more than just the players. We've spent 90 million!</strong><hr></blockquote>

i know.. and you're right.. however, it wouldn't do us any harm, if we bought another forward.. if its cisse or ronaldhino, then all the better.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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i know.. and you're right.. however, it wouldn't do us any harm, if we bought another forward.. if its cisse or ronaldhino, then all the better.</strong><hr></blockquote>


It wouldn't do us any harm because it's essential.

But it might not solve the problem either.

We need more players, but merely buying isn't the answer.
 
Originally posted by Elfie:
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He's Spanish, he plays for the most successful team at the moment, why would he leave Real ?

Anyway, the board has bought Ricardo, the priority is certainly not to buy again another keeper.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What's being Spanish got to do with it? And I was just replying to Raoul's original question, nothing to do with whether he'd come or not, just what I would like to see.

I know that you are a Barthez lover (in fact anyone French or that plays in France looking at your other posts), but face facts, he's past it, and I would like to see the future best goalkeeper in the world in our team!

If you don't mind? :p
 
Weaste, I agree, Joaquin looks like a fecking class player, and still very young. Would love to see him challenge Becks for that RW role. :D
 
Me too mate, all we need then is to find someone to give Giggs a good kick up the arse. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Me too mate, all we need then is to find someone to give Giggs a good kick up the arse. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

How did Vicente play for Valencia last term ? Will be keeping an eye on him this year for sure.