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Am I the only 1 here who's asking how the bloody hell Berrada knows more about the player than the actual DOF ?
What does Txiki actually do?Am I the only 1 here who's asking how the bloody hell Berrada knows more about the player than the actual DOF ?
What does Txiki actually do?
From the snippets from the documentary on this thread, they have Berrada being the brains. If I could bring myself to watch it in full it’s probably more balanced. Or maybe Txiki is just Pep’s handler, feeds and cleans out his padded cell.
Left winger in Blackburn’s 94/95 title winning side. Think he got a few England caps around that time. The 90s is probably the last time most on this forum have really thought about him until this week.
This is to be expected though. Building a superb football structure from scratch is pretty much like building a huge jigsaw puzzle. Some puzzles are easily identified while others require time and patience as the picture is slowly built and smaller parts will fit in that picture. SJR brought two people from the start ie Blanc and Brailsford. The former is a Gill/Woodward on steroids. He's very business heavy, he can bring huge revenues to the club and he can engage himself in huge infrastructure projects while still producing enough cash that would keep the club competitive at transfer market level. Brailsford on the other hand understands sports. He's obsessed with marginal gains and constant improvement. The two have a cycling background and had dipped their toes in football so they pretty much speak the same language. However their background isn't football. That's were Berrada steps in. Some CEOs are football heavy (ex Marotta), some are business heavy (ex Blanc at Juve) while some are mixed. Berrada is the last kind of CEO. He understands, sports, football and business which makes him the ideal third decision maker on that board
Yet having only person who understands football is dangerous as one mistake from the expert and we're in shit. Thus where Ashworth fits in. Ashworth will report to Berrada but he's also Brailsford mate. If there's a disagreement between the two then things could escalate to the higher ups without the need for Ashworth to beg to Berrada to do so. Ashworth is close to SAF whom in turn is close to Brailsford as well. Thus if there's a disagreement then SAF can be consulted and with SAF and Ashworth at his side, Brailsford could win the 'football argument'. Ashworth can't be everywhere at every time thus he'll need top quality people at each section whether its the academy (Cox or Wilcox), recruitment (Jewell?) or/and management (ETH?). If Wilcox joins the club then he'll be in Ashworth's situation, this time round, with Berrada (both worked with City). In the end these are highly skilled people most of whom had already had a work relationship before (Ashworth-Brailsford, Brailsford-Blanc, Ashworth-Jewell, Berrada-Wilcox) thus they know each other strengths and weaknesses and what to expect from one another. Move a bigger piece then a whole hierarchy would need to be built
That what United lacked. Woodward had no clue about football and he hired people with no previous experience in their role who were simply too grateful towards him giving them the job to highlight any potential mess ups to the higher ups. Meanwhile people like SAF and Rangnick who understood football were isolated/fired else they risked exposing their incompetence and inexperience.
I hope he has broad shoulders and a strong back, and good mental fortitude.
- During his time at City, the club walked away from deals for Harry Maguire, Alexis Sánchez and many others because they were too expensive.
Meanwhile...
Yes he's an ox...I hope he has broad shoulders and a strong back, and good mental fortitude.
They've still had their share of expensive signings. Mendy, Phillips, Grealish not doing too hot. Gvardiol's been injured a fair bit/played out of position since signing too but think he will be worth it.Meanwhile...
This is to be expected though. Building a superb football structure from scratch is pretty much like building a huge jigsaw puzzle. Some puzzles are easily identified while others require time and patience as the picture is slowly built and smaller parts will fit in that picture. SJR brought two people from the start ie Blanc and Brailsford. The former is a Gill/Woodward on steroids. He's very business heavy, he can bring huge revenues to the club and he can engage himself in huge infrastructure projects while still producing enough cash that would keep the club competitive at transfer market level. Brailsford on the other hand understands sports. He's obsessed with marginal gains and constant improvement. The two have a cycling background and had dipped their toes in football so they pretty much speak the same language. However their background isn't football. That's were Berrada steps in. Some CEOs are football heavy (ex Marotta), some are business heavy (ex Blanc at Juve) while some are mixed. Berrada is the last kind of CEO. He understands, sports, football and business which makes him the ideal third decision maker on that board
Yet having only person who understands football is dangerous as one mistake from the expert and we're in shit. Thus where Ashworth fits in. Ashworth will report to Berrada but he's also Brailsford mate. If there's a disagreement between the two then things could escalate to the higher ups without the need for Ashworth to beg to Berrada to do so. Ashworth is close to SAF whom in turn is close to Brailsford as well. Thus if there's a disagreement then SAF can be consulted and with SAF and Ashworth at his side, Brailsford could win the 'football argument'. Ashworth can't be everywhere at every time thus he'll need top quality people at each section whether its the academy (Cox or Wilcox), recruitment (Jewell?) or/and management (ETH?). If Wilcox joins the club then he'll be in Ashworth's situation, this time round, with Berrada (both worked with City). In the end these are highly skilled people most of whom had already had a work relationship before (Ashworth-Brailsford, Brailsford-Blanc, Ashworth-Jewell, Berrada-Wilcox) thus they know each other strengths and weaknesses and what to expect from one another. Move a bigger piece then a whole hierarchy would need to be built
That what United lacked. Woodward had no clue about football and he hired people with no previous experience in their role who were simply too grateful towards him giving them the job to highlight any potential mess ups to the higher ups. Meanwhile people like SAF and Rangnick who understood football were isolated/fired else they risked exposing their incompetence and inexperience.
This right here is a recipe for a toxic and factional work environment. I hope Ashworth and Cox will have the maturity to respect their bosses' decisions without leapfrogging them and going upstairs, it's not conducive for a cordial and cooperative working environment. It's important that people stay in their lanes about decisions that should be made by relevant offices. How do you think Berrada will take it hearing Ashworth's talking points from his boss Blanc or Brailsford? Would he ever trust or support him after that?This is to be expected though. Building a superb football structure from scratch is pretty much like building a huge jigsaw puzzle. Some puzzles are easily identified while others require time and patience as the picture is slowly built and smaller parts will fit in that picture. SJR brought two people from the start ie Blanc and Brailsford. The former is a Gill/Woodward on steroids. He's very business heavy, he can bring huge revenues to the club and he can engage himself in huge infrastructure projects while still producing enough cash that would keep the club competitive at transfer market level. Brailsford on the other hand understands sports. He's obsessed with marginal gains and constant improvement. The two have a cycling background and had dipped their toes in football so they pretty much speak the same language. However their background isn't football. That's were Berrada steps in. Some CEOs are football heavy (ex Marotta), some are business heavy (ex Blanc at Juve) while some are mixed. Berrada is the last kind of CEO. He understands, sports, football and business which makes him the ideal third decision maker on that board
Yet having only person who understands football is dangerous as one mistake from the expert and we're in shit. Thus where Ashworth fits in. Ashworth will report to Berrada but he's also Brailsford mate. If there's a disagreement between the two then things could escalate to the higher ups without the need for Ashworth to beg to Berrada to do so. Ashworth is close to SAF whom in turn is close to Brailsford as well. Thus if there's a disagreement then SAF can be consulted and with SAF and Ashworth at his side, Brailsford could win the 'football argument'. Ashworth can't be everywhere at every time thus he'll need top quality people at each section whether its the academy (Cox or Wilcox), recruitment (Jewell?) or/and management (ETH?). If Wilcox joins the club then he'll be in Ashworth's situation, this time round, with Berrada (both worked with City). In the end these are highly skilled people most of whom had already had a work relationship before (Ashworth-Brailsford, Brailsford-Blanc, Ashworth-Jewell, Berrada-Wilcox) thus they know each other strengths and weaknesses and what to expect from one another. Move a bigger piece then a whole hierarchy would need to be built
That what United lacked. Woodward had no clue about football and he hired people with no previous experience in their role who were simply too grateful towards him giving them the job to highlight any potential mess ups to the higher ups. Meanwhile people like SAF and Rangnick who understood football were isolated/fired else they risked exposing their incompetence and inexperience.
This right here is a recipe for a toxic and factional work environment. I hope Ashworth and Cox will have the maturity to respect their bosses' decisions without leapfrogging them and going upstairs, it's not conducive for a cordial and cooperative working environment. It's important that people stay in their lanes about decisions that should be made by relevant offices. How do you think Berrada will take it hearing Ashworth's talking points from his boss Blanc or Brailsford? Would he ever trust or support him after that?
I have worked for organizations with that sort of culture and trust me you don't achieve much. Things need to be professional and respectful. You might feel strongly about something and your boss doesn't see it that way but going above him is not the way to do things especially when done clandestinely. Trust is broken and with that communication breaks down which will easily lead to internal strife and paralysis.
I have no problems with structures buty issue was on you saying someone like Ashworth should use his preexisting relationship with Brailsford to lobby for his ideas should Berrada be resisting. I am saying that's not the right way to resolve issues, it creates mistrust, divisions and factions.United's first system was rather simple. We had the CEO calling all financial shots and the manager calling all sports related shots. That worked because SAF was a superb man manager who knew every single aspect of football from transfer handling to appointing the right people in the right jobs (scouts, fitness people, coaches, assistant managers etc) and was a workaholic. Gaz recalls the time when the gaffer would quickly leave the dressing room after a game to fly across Europe to watch some kid playing the day after. Needless to say that the current managers lack that know how. Even if they did, managers are vulnerable to player power. iF a squad favorite loses his place then the manager risk to end up facing a revolt. This task is made more difficult since the manager is tasked to buy players as well. Thus if the manager brings in a dud on silly money then he better make sure that such player do well else he risks being sacked. That means that he'll be forced to play him more which in return tend to upset the dressing room which in turn has an impact on results.
United tried to adapt to that with a 4 men committee all of whom armed with a Veto (Joel, Woodward, Murtough and the manager). On paper it might had made sense and some people were in favor of it. However in reality it did not. First of all at least 2 of those people were incompetent in football. Secondly the former three were tightly linked with one another thus when a mistake is done by either one of them then they used to close ranks and blame the odd man out (the manager). Finally since Joel was the ring leader and the others were yes men then everything rotated on what Joel wanted. Thus it 'suddenly made sense' to spend all summer travelling continents during preseason training even though it left the squad knackered and filled with injuries.
I advocated to a system were each role is clearly defined and were every person was best in class. Back then Juventus had that system and since I kept highlighting it I earned this tagline. Such system had the advantage of quickly addressing were the flaws were. For example if the manager got tactics wrong then its the manager's fault, if the club bought duds then it was the Head of Recruitment/DOF fault, if the academy is not producing top talent then its the head of academy's fault and if the departments aren't cooperating with one another (imagine a situation were United buy a 30 year old midfielder even though it had a young Scholes and Beckham scoring shitloads of goals in the academy) then something is wrong with the sporting director. I still believe that this system is a clear upgrade to what we had so far and yet it had one clear flaw. Unsurprisingly the victim of that flaw happens to now sit on the United's board.
When Blanc joined Juventus he fount a mess. Juventus were relegated in the Serie B even though its wage bill was that of a Serie A serial winner. Sponsorships fled, the money well ran dry and Inter fans were celebrating the end of the vecchia signora. I don't blame them. It wasn't that long ago that Leeds imploded having failed to hit its financial targets. Juventus was facing an even steeper run since it was immediately relegated, it lost many sponsors and the Serie A was nowhere near as rich as the EPL. Blanc played a huge part in Juventus revival. Instead of taking a cautious approach by simply selling players and live on the spoils, Blanc took a bold move based not on mere survival but on Serie A dominance. Sure many players were sold but the core was kept (Del Piero, Chiellini and Buffon) while Blanc engaged himself into the idea of building a new stadium, fully owned by the club. That was incredible considering that years later Elliott group (guys everyone fear, the one who brought Argentina on their knees) would try and fail to do that at Milan due to Italian red tape. Blanc basically succeeded were Elliott group failed and with a team who was in much worse shape. Juventus flew past the Serie Bit immediately consolidated their role as a big team in the Serie A and Blanc was made CEO. Yet it was then that when the flaw was exposed. You see, Blanc is a great commercial person. He's basically a GIll on serious steroids. Yet football wise he's not great. Hence he failed to acknowledge that the sporting director and the fitness people Juve had at the time weren't good enough. Money was spent on wrong transfers, the squad was ravaged by injuries, Juventus's performance plummeted and Blanc was forced to resign from CEO. The system worked as it quickly identified the problem and made amends to it. Marotta was identified as Blanc's successor and Juventus dominated the Serie A for a decade. Yet this CEO centric system meant that when Marotta left and no adequate replacement was fount then Juventus struggled.
I believe that what INEOS is trying to implement at United is an upgrade to that system. Sure each role will be defined, the best in class mantra will be maintained and the CEO will probably have a final say yet he won't be on his own. If a big decision needs to be taken then people like Blanc, SAF, the manager and Brailsford could be consulted to give their professional input. In few words if Berrada and Ashworth clash on a certain decision then there will be people that both parties trust both at high level and lower level who can give their 2c and quickly break the deadlock without having to spend months going through and forth and concluding nothing in the process.
Maybe they're relaxed because he's a double agent on a sabotage job
Yeh I’m not sure I want AshworthI’m far more excited for Omar Berrada being CEO than Ashworth who might be looking to employ Potter or Southgate, I have the feeling by Omar being in potentially 3 months before Ashworth, the time will allow him to get his feet under the table and he may be of the opinion, the club waits and gives ETH one more year providing he can make CL football.
It’s fair to say that should the wheels come off Madrid this year, Ancelotti may be put out to pastures green again and this time a full United fan base and executives would be unanimously behind recruiting the great Man.
Why?Yeh I’m not sure I want Ashworth
Why?
Why would city need to run a sabotage on us, of all clubsMaybe they're relaxed because he's a double agent on a sabotage job
It looks like City are showing a bit more class than Newcastle
The poster can be a bit overly negative at times, I’m just wondering on what basis he’d object to Ashworth? He’s one of the best aroundI’m assuming this is all down to the recent Southgate links which may well be a load of bollocks anyway.
Maybe they're relaxed because he's a double agent on a sabotage job
Why?
I’m assuming this is all down to the recent Southgate links which may well be a load of bollocks anyway.
The poster can be a bit overly negative at times, I’m just wondering on what basis he’d object to Ashworth? He’s one of the best around
Yeh a few things. One being how long it’s taking for him to start the job. Is he that good that we’re waiting around for him?
Second is the links with Southgate and Potter. Agreed it’s probably bollocks but no smoke without fire? The links aren’t going away.
Thirdly is Newcastle aren’t exactly setting the world alight. Yeh great last season but not so great this season. Plus he seems to be getting some blame for Tonali regarding the lack of due diligence. Damaged goods?
No idea but I’m sure there’s a big list of candidates?So who should we appoint as DOF then?
Well, it's worked so far with City sending Ed Woodward to us and paying the Glazers an extra billion to buy us too.Maybe they're relaxed because he's a double agent on a sabotage job
There's not a lot Ashworth could have done about that - and, after Tonali got charges and before Ashworth was linked with us, the Newcastle journos (Luke Edwards in particular) were saying that too.Thirdly is Newcastle aren’t exactly setting the world alight. Yeh great last season but not so great this season. Plus he seems to be getting some blame for Tonali regarding the lack of due diligence. Damaged goods?
Not to be overly negative, but … no, no, and no, no, no.Yeh a few things. One being how long it’s taking for him to start the job. Is he that good that we’re waiting around for him?
Second is the links with Southgate and Potter. Agreed it’s probably bollocks but no smoke without fire? The links aren’t going away.
Thirdly is Newcastle aren’t exactly setting the world alight. Yeh great last season but not so great this season. Plus he seems to be getting some blame for Tonali regarding the lack of due diligence. Damaged goods?
First two paragraphs aren’t really reasons. The man wass employed elsewhere and then papers are just linking us with any ex colleague.Yeh a few things. One being how long it’s taking for him to start the job. Is he that good that we’re waiting around for him?
Second is the links with Southgate and Potter. Agreed it’s probably bollocks but no smoke without fire? The links aren’t going away.
Thirdly is Newcastle aren’t exactly setting the world alight. Yeh great last season but not so great this season. Plus he seems to be getting some blame for Tonali regarding the lack of due diligence. Damaged goods?
With Berrada not joining until summer and Ashworth looking likely to be even later than that, could this summer be a bit of a struggle?
We regularly hear about how clubs work on their summer plans from around January well who is making those plans for us? I understand that both will likely be I'm contact privately, but neither can get too involved and risk it blowing up in their face with disputes from City/Newcastle.
The annoying thing is it seems to be halting all other appointments as we want to work top down, something I agree we should be doing, but it is still infuriating seeing us have to go slow yet again at a time where there is a wave of optimism.
Are we currently linked with anyone that is close to signing? I remember us linked with Wilcox, but all seems to have gone quiet on that front.