They have been outbid it seems. So maybe now they will focus back on United
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They have been outbid it seems. So maybe now they will focus back on United
Yeah, Jose had only completely lost the dressing room, was 19 points behind when he was sacked in December and then Ole came in and won manager of the month in January and made a PL-record breaking start to his career with the same guys. It was Ole's first game in charge that got us the first ever five goals in a single match since SAF, and he's since gone on to win a game 9-0 (PL record equalling) and then having a record-winning away form recently. Ole also is the only manager to get back-to-back top four in the PL since SAF.
Jose won the second tier European competition and the second tier domestic cup, though, so apparently it was never this bad.
I suppose it depends on what means more more him - Manchester United or his mate. Besides I don't understand why he's even commenting on United matters whilst say in a studio if his only interest is watching his mate do well rather than tell the watching public the truth. He should just stick commenting on other teams.
They've never had focus on United. Lets be honest, for them its about the money and nothing else.
There's no way Ole will still be here by the time City thump us in a few weeks.
Responding to this point by #07
“Why? Where are these pundits with android like consistency? You can not want to attack your friend and still point out all the things that are crap about United. Gary has done so repeatedly recently. There's even a thread on the CAF dedicated to Gary saying United have no style of play. That's pretty much the closest you can go to having a go at Ole without being explicit.”
By refusing to assign responsibility for the crap and no style of play, Neville is only telling us what we can all easily see, but not WHY we see crap and no style of play. A pundit’s job includes telling us what happened — United play like crap, but even grandmas can tell us that — but also why.
“Why? Where are these pundits with android like consistency? You can not want to attack your friend and still point out all the things that are crap about United. Gary has done so repeatedly recently. There's even a thread on the CAF dedicated to Gary saying United have no style of play. That's pretty much the closest you can go to having a go at Ole without being explicit.”
By refusing to assign responsibility for the crap and no style of play, Neville is only telling us what we can all easily see, but not WHY we see crap and no style of play. A pundit’s job includes telling us what happened — United play like crap, but even grandmas can tell us that — but also why.
To be honest we have a decent squad and with a good manager we should be competing. It’s another matter if they can hire oneYeah these guys are going to get us back to our perch
Its why he failed as a manager and doesnt have any hint of shame about it. In his mind he is one of the most decorated players (read: not manager) ever so that automatically makes him all worth it. It is also possible that he keeps remembering only the good days such as the day when he kissed Scholes the toenail sucker.
It's fine if his stance is not to publically call out his buddies but A) don't be in the studio for our games because nobody wants to listen to someone who can't speak honestly and B) if he's on these telecasts doing that then he should know that it's friend over the club as far his stance goes
Two more trophies than Ole has managed after spending 400 million.Yeah, Jose had only completely lost the dressing room, was 19 points behind when he was sacked in December and then Ole came in and won manager of the month in January and made a PL-record breaking start to his career with the same guys. It was Ole's first game in charge that got us the first ever five goals in a single match since SAF, and he's since gone on to win a game 9-0 (PL record equalling) and then having a record-winning away form recently. Ole also is the only manager to get back-to-back top four in the PL since SAF.
Jose won the second tier European competition and the second tier domestic cup, though, so apparently it was never this bad.
Ok i'll bite. A sports 'Pundit' is supposed to be a unbiased as much as they possibly can. There is not 'As a mate' in football. you have to comment on the state of play. Call it as it is. If he is supporting ole out of his media duties personally then no harm there. If this was any other manager, he would have the Knife already sent for sanitizing.
Jose won the second tier European competition and the second tier domestic cup, though, so apparently it was never this bad.
Correct. It was never as bad as losing 5-0 at home to Liverpool.
That's the issue. I have no faith in them not fecking it up.
He did win trophies though. I don't care much for debating amongst the three duds that followed Moyes but if Ole has supposed minor progress, Jose has trophies (the entire purpose) albeit small ones.Yeah, Jose had only completely lost the dressing room, was 19 points behind when he was sacked in December and then Ole came in and won manager of the month in January and made a PL-record breaking start to his career with the same guys. It was Ole's first game in charge that got us the first ever five goals in a single match since SAF, and he's since gone on to win a game 9-0 (PL record equalling) and then having a record-winning away form recently. Ole also is the only manager to get back-to-back top four in the PL since SAF.
Jose won the second tier European competition and the second tier domestic cup, though, so apparently it was never this bad.
Luckhurst just dropped this
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/man-utd-news-solskjaer-future-21964290?kop=
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/man-utd-news-solskjaer-future-21964290?kop=
Been murmurs earlier but seems a bit more than a throwaway comment from Luckhurst this, with the Conte rumours getting a push a bit in Italy too.
Would everyone be up for welcoming Ole back 10 years down the line, assuming that he was able to achieve relative success at a smaller club (For example, taking over at a team like Watford and taking them into Europe)?
When he first took over as caretaker manager, not one single soul imagined that he would still be in charge now. However, the run we went on made it almost impossible to not buy into the fact that he might be what we were searching for, as it just seemed to "click". As soon as a little bit of comfort set in and the new managers bounce was gone, performance levels have never been consistently excellent for more than 5 games at a time. What has been proven is that he still has an awful lot to learn, and he will not be afforded the luxury to learn on the job here when our rivals pull further and further away.
But if he can go to another team, develop a style, make poorer players and squads perform better than the sum of their parts, then he builds respect within the game. He can come back to us not as Ole who scored the biggest goal in our history, not as Ole who took on too big a role too soon, but as an ex legend who earned a rightful opportunity to prove himself as an elite coach having proven he can get a system to work at another club.
it's not his fault. You'd have to be an exceptionally pessimistic individual to have not got caught up in the hype when he first started as manager. But the lack of experience of both he and his team has been found out, so let them go and figure out how to be successful elsewhere, and get a proven team in who know how to win.
When he first took over as caretaker manager, not one single soul imagined that he would still be in charge now. However, the run we went on made it almost impossible to not buy into the fact that he might be what we were searching for, as it just seemed to "click". As soon as a little bit of comfort set in and the new managers bounce was gone, performance levels have never been consistently excellent for more than 5 games at a time. What has been proven is that he still has an awful lot to learn, and he will not be afforded the luxury to learn on the job here when our rivals pull further and further away.
But if he can go to another team, develop a style, make poorer players and squads perform better than the sum of their parts, then he builds respect within the game. He can come back to us not as Ole who scored the biggest goal in our history, not as Ole who took on too big a role too soon, but as an ex legend who earned a rightful opportunity to prove himself as an elite coach having proven he can get a system to work at another club.
it's not his fault. You'd have to be an exceptionally pessimistic individual to have not got caught up in the hype when he first started as manager. But the lack of experience of both he and his team has been found out, so let them go and figure out how to be successful elsewhere, and get a proven team in who know how to win.
Feels like the board are putting feelers out to see how the fans would respond to sackinh him
Expect Gary Neville to throw a massive fit anytime soon. Thankfully it's not a matchday for him to rile the fans up
Expect Gary Neville to throw a massive fit anytime soon. Thankfully it's not a matchday for him to rile the fans up
If they're considering it, they have to right? Lame duck manager wouldn't ever work. Every game the circus would continue
Less considering, more sacking, please.
think we feed him to the next 3 matches and then international break he gets let go.
Ole was on course to double relegate Cardiff. He's never getting a shot at turning around another Prem club's fortunes after this. And if he is it'll end the same way as Cardiff.
The articles are starting to pile up with regards to Ole being sacked. Only a matter of time now.
City won't stop at 5.
The scousers know all too well about obsessing over the past and romanticism with a prior era. They hung on too long to Souness and Evans who were clearly not fit for the job. It only served to further tighten our dominance in the 90s and early 2000s. The scousers have thrown us a bone by completely rinsing us at home and by repeatedly telling us that looking into past for answers is wrong yet our arrogance is telling us to keep moving forward on this inevitable path of failure. The next move is obvious, put Ole and the supporters out of their misery.
He's already started which means there's something in it
Don't get our hopes up for nothing please.
Feck sake Gary, I've been a staunch defender of Ole but your having a mare here.
He literally said yesterday that tonnes of fans and press will be asking for his head, then tweets that today like it's some surprise. I've no idea where his heads at to be honest.
There is a way to go about it but fans are entitled to their opinion, they support the club first and foremost. Bringing up the goal in the CL final is just cringe and just adds fire to the narrative that Ole supporters have been nothing but naive fan-boys of Ole the player when that doesn't tell the full story.
I don't think the club should ever hire another ex player again. It doesn't work at this club the fanbase is way too emotional and the board don't have enough of a backbone.
Yeah, Jose had only completely lost the dressing room, was 19 points behind when he was sacked in December and then Ole came in and won manager of the month in January and made a PL-record breaking start to his career with the same guys. It was Ole's first game in charge that got us the first ever five goals in a single match since SAF, and he's since gone on to win a game 9-0 (PL record equalling) and then having a record-winning away form recently. Ole also is the only manager to get back-to-back top four in the PL since SAF.
Jose won the second tier European competition and the second tier domestic cup, though, so apparently it was never this bad.
Vibes versus success. You can see the difference in values of fans
Seems inevitable in the next 24 hours with these briefings. Dead man walking vibes.
Worth a new thread for sure, must have been difficult choosing from the 50 other candidates.
Sacking him today is the best time if you are truly trying to salvage this season. Winning the next CL game gives us breathing room and a chance for a new manager to play with the squad a bit until the knock out stages. This is got to happen today!
Considering a sacking, after a 5-0 home defeat?
Should bloody hope so!
Should bloody hope so!
Mitten was on Radio Ulster today and says he hasn't heard anything like this but Gerry Armstrong (remember him?) says he's hearing similar stories.
Exactly, you can't just discuss his sacking and leak that to the press and then keep him but you never know with this club.
No, I am saying these clubs make plans for a decision before it is taken. We seem to be a "we will cross that bridge when we get there" kind of club. Lets imagine Ole is sacked today. I don't think the board at this moment have any idea who will take over or even a profile of who they want. Clubs like City, Chelsea, Bayern etc would have been looking for a replacement long before now, even if they had not sacked him.
Yeah. Then again, I would not be surprised to see a statement from United's PR team stating the manager is fully in their plans. I guess the preparing for the next 3 matches tweet could be that statement.
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