We have 1 points from our last 4 league games with some of the worst defensive statistics in the league as is.I am 100% Ole out but I don’t think he’ll get sacked just on the basis of yesterday’s performance. The fact that yesterday comes on the back of some recent abject displays won’t have helped him but I think he’ll be given the next couple of premier league games to see if he’s capable of getting a positive reaction. Tottenham, Atalanta and City will decide his fate and that is a fair view.
The next 3 games are crucial for Ole. Two or, god forbid, 3 more listless and incompetent performances and I think he’ll be gone and rightly so. There can be no more doubt about his lack of tactical nous and the ability of his coaching set up. He was literally embarrassed by Klopps Liverpool yesterday just as Scholes predicted after Atalanta. Poor and disjointed performances have been the norm now for way too long and despite the quality we now have in our squad we are no closer to having any kind of positive identity on the pitch.
Still, as always I just want the team to do well and that desire is very strong now when I look at the squad we have. But there’s some real bullsh*t going on with it with no clear solutions.
The Pogba situation, VDB and now Sancho. Three players, all expensive and currently Ole seemingly has no clue on how to use them so why buy them (I know Pogba wasn’t bought by Ole but in 3 years, he’s not figured out what to do with his talent). Our basic play is so aimless, we seem unable to do the simplest of things on the pitch. We can’t keep laying the blame at the players door because all of these players were bought because they were excelling at their former clubs, they’re top players.
The manager and the coaches are paid to get the best out of the players we have, can anyone really think our current manager and coaches are doing that? No way. It would have been a dream gig to win something under Ole and Carrick and for all their faults, the glazers have backed him handsomely by funding a rebuild that’s bought some real quality in. I’m my view, we have a fantastic squad (obviously we still need a proper DM), on paper we look amazing, on the pitch we look worse than we did last season.
So, the next 3 games will decide his fate I think. If we don’t come through them in good shape, I don’t think any remaining Ole ‘in’ folk can have many complaints. There has to come a time where no more time can be given.
I'll be honest, I don't understand this point of view. You say it's fair to give him 3 more games to see if he can turn it around, but then go on to point out he's not managed to figure out how to get the best out of his players in 3 years.I am 100% Ole out but I don’t think he’ll get sacked just on the basis of yesterday’s performance. The fact that yesterday comes on the back of some recent abject displays won’t have helped him but I think he’ll be given the next couple of premier league games to see if he’s capable of getting a positive reaction. Tottenham, Atalanta and City will decide his fate and that is a fair view.
The next 3 games are crucial for Ole. Two or, god forbid, 3 more listless and incompetent performances and I think he’ll be gone and rightly so. There can be no more doubt about his lack of tactical nous and the ability of his coaching set up. He was literally embarrassed by Klopps Liverpool yesterday just as Scholes predicted after Atalanta. Poor and disjointed performances have been the norm now for way too long and despite the quality we now have in our squad we are no closer to having any kind of positive identity on the pitch.
Still, as always I just want the team to do well and that desire is very strong now when I look at the squad we have. But there’s some real bullsh*t going on with it with no clear solutions.
The Pogba situation, VDB and now Sancho. Three players, all expensive and currently Ole seemingly has no clue on how to use them so why buy them (I know Pogba wasn’t bought by Ole but in 3 years, he’s not figured out what to do with his talent). Our basic play is so aimless, we seem unable to do the simplest of things on the pitch. We can’t keep laying the blame at the players door because all of these players were bought because they were excelling at their former clubs, they’re top players.
The manager and the coaches are paid to get the best out of the players we have, can anyone really think our current manager and coaches are doing that? No way. It would have been a dream gig to win something under Ole and Carrick and for all their faults, the glazers have backed him handsomely by funding a rebuild that’s bought some real quality in. I’m my view, we have a fantastic squad (obviously we still need a proper DM), on paper we look amazing, on the pitch we look worse than we did last season.
So, the next 3 games will decide his fate I think. If we don’t come through them in good shape, I don’t think any remaining Ole ‘in’ folk can have many complaints. There has to come a time where no more time can be given.
I still think Ole is underrated as a manager, despite what the tactical geniuses on Twitter or Red Cafe might think.
You know something we don't? We all are hoping for that to be case but "being sure" about our board to act decisively and in timely manner is inviting disappointment and frustration.Pretty sure he's getting sacked today or tommorow.
Find the next Tuchel. There is always talent out there. Mayne Ten Haag or some other chap whose got his club playing exciting football?I've been considering the OLEOUT view since the Wolves game (still dont know how we managed 3 points) and I rarely had a knee jerk reaction on this site. Having said that who are the alternatives? Two really talented managers are at Chelsea and Liverpool. Zidane isnt all that. His role in Real was just to establish his authority amongst a set of players that are superior to our current squad. I said it before (when Joses head was on the chopping block) Pocchetino isnt nearly good enough to be the manager of a club with expectations. So who then?
I've been considering the OLEOUT view since the Wolves game (still dont know how we managed 3 points) and I rarely had a knee jerk reaction on this site. Having said that who are the alternatives? Two really talented managers are at Chelsea and Liverpool. Zidane isnt all that. His role in Real was just to establish his authority amongst a set of players that are superior to our current squad. I said it before (when Joses head was on the chopping block) Pocchetino isnt nearly good enough to be the manager of a club with expectations. So who then?
He can be allowed to carry on, but nothing will change, he won't suddenly become good enough. In truth its been time to go for awhile. Give this squad to a manager with an idea of how to use it properly.
I would think the majority of the die hard Ole sympathisers (of which I was one) can see that this is a long deep trough we are in. It goes back into last season if you look at the results and performances then as well.We have 1 points from our last 4 league games with some of the worst defensive statistics in the league as is.
How much further do we have to slide before the inevitable happens? Let's say the next 3 games go on just about as well as the last 3 - then what next, should we give him the next league games against Watford, Chelsea and Arsenal to decide his fate?
For the record I'm pretty sure Ole has lost the dressing room as well. You have players like Bruno openly speaking out to change the team tactics, for one.
Ole should do the right thing now and resign
I think there's 3 scenarios we will take:Find the next Tuchel. There is always talent out there. Mayne Ten Haag or some other chap whose got his club playing exciting football?
I don't think its daft. I think its a genuine question that will have an impact on Ole's sacking (now or by the end of the season). Nagelsmann is at Bayern and Tuchel is at Chelsea so you really haven't answered my question.Honestly, this has always been the daftest view on the caf during Ole’s time. As if there are no managers with fecking miles better CV’s and who have proven to play great football with inferior sides.
People said Tuchel was a flavour of the month, Nagelsmann too.
I’d get rid of him now if it was up to me. I’m just rationalising what may happen.I'll be honest, I don't understand this point of view. You say it's fair to give him 3 more games to see if he can turn it around, but then go on to point out he's not managed to figure out how to get the best out of his players in 3 years.
Surely we've all seen enough by now to know he's not even close to being capable? All 3 more games does is provide another opportunity to fluke a good result and prolong his stay, giving rise to false dawn #537. Sorry but enough is enough, he deserves to be sacked today.
We don't care about winning.
Ole won't be sacked until the end of the season.
Not even expecting it.
The entire season is a write-off in October yet again.
Honestly, this has always been the daftest view on the caf during Ole’s time. As if there are no managers with fecking miles better CV’s and who have proven to play great football with inferior sides.
People said Tuchel was a flavour of the month, Nagelsmann too.
In the post game stuff Neville said ‘he’ll get to end of the season but he needs to win a trophy’.
Which trophy does Neville think he can win? Europa League is only possible if we blow the CL. League is gone. League cup is gone. CL we aren’t good enough. So it’s only the FA cup and there are 5-6 teams you’d definitely fancy over us and maybe more.
I don't think its daft. I think its a genuine question that will have an impact on Ole's sacking (now or by the end of the season). Nagelsmann is at Bayern and Tuchel is at Chelsea so you really haven't answered my question.
Was going to say that. Deadwood Woodward has 2 months left and I dont think he will want another sacking on his watch. Obviously if the Glazers start worrying we wont make top 4 they may force him to sack Ole, but it wouldnt surprise me if hes not here until Deadwood has gone.Paying he will be gone around 10am if not it isn't happening today. Imagine they would have the conversation with him around now with it breaking anytime from now.
Don't think it's going to happen, Glazers are too busy trying to bid for an IPL franchise. Woodward will do all he can for this not to fall on him now he is on the home straight. So many people at the club trying to save face.
You’ve mocked it and then proven the point by not actually suggesting any viable options
I agree. Like I said to the other poster, I’d get rid of him now and move on, I just doubt that will happen.For the record I'm pretty sure Ole has lost the dressing room as well. You have players like Bruno openly speaking out to change the team tactics, for one.
Poch isn't an option (he has done nothing in the english game) and Mancini isn't either. International football and club football isn't the same and Mancini has been a flop at City winning the league by the good grace of our poor run of games back in April and May 2012. Maybe Zidane but I will accept Ten Hag as an answer.Who would I take? I’d throw a shit tonne of money at Ten Hag, if he doesn’t want the job now or in the Summer I’d go to Poch and Zidane and continue like that. Mancini’s another, the list would be LONG!
There’s literally dozens better options with better CV’s than Ole.
Poch isn't an option (he has done nothing in the english game) and Mancini isn't either. International football and club football isn't the same and Mancini has been a flop at City winning the league by the good grace of our poor run of games back in April and May 2012. Maybe Zidane but I will accept Ten Hag as an answer.
These pro activity level we show is stupid. Same with our mediocre players.I can't believe we renewed this guy's contract just a few months ago. Our fans actually defended it as well.
They extended the coaching staff's contracts and fully backed him with briefings not long ago. They've since beaten Atalanta. I don't think they're pulling the plug even if we lose to City. If we lose to Spurs too I think they might, otherwise Ole is our manager for a while yet.There is no noice at all that he will be sacked.
Sure but nobody has done more than Jose amongst all the managers that were mentioned (Zidane the exception but he has had a set of much better players still getting dodgy ref decisions in the CL and being spanked by Barca in the league) and the Caf still wanted his head. The point is the right fit not the manager with a stellar CV as both Jose and LVG flopped at United.That’s the thing, they are all options and all have done more than Ole, that’s the point.
