Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
    3,423
  • Poll closed .
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roonster09 said:
I dont think any club will sign only young players. You need to mix it up with young players, peak players. Also wasn't Bruno just 25 when he was signed? He was young enough.

I don't see any problem with age of players we signed, it's just that he is very poor at using the squad.
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More that he made such a point of this new direction and then just went after established and expensive players. At least with Mou he didn't try and dress it up as anything else. We have this team waiting to get coached properly, its such a shame. Of course you can upgrade in places but most of these players are young 20's and should be kicking on their development, not regressing as they are.

Rashford ------- Greenwood ------- Sancho

------------- Bruno -- McT -- VdB -----------------
Shaw ----- Maguire ------ Varane ------ AWB
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RedDevilQuebecois said:
Shared sentiment for me as well. After I have seen Barcelona fans pushing Koeman off the cliff, it is more than time for people to voice all of their anger against our own manager despite the fact that he is a symptom of a far bigger problem. Regardless, Ole is now standing against us by choosing to be a Glazers' employee rather than a man of Manchester United. That makes him an enemy to the wellbeing of the club, whether people like that term or not.
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It’s going on a decade since we’ve realistically challenged for the title. We’re only a few years off being what Arsenal have become.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
On this point - this is where when I look back I am most disappointed in him. When he came in there was a lot of press about how we were going to target younger, hungry signings and cast off the Mou style recruitment which had proved you can't just throw money at a problem. We signed AWB, James two young highly rated players and Maguire who was seen as a necessary experience player...then it all just goes to shit once Ole realised he is miles away from being able to actually mould a team into the style he wants, the younger players we have bought don't play (VdB, Sancho, James was sold, AWB is now seen a joke) and we've brought in Cavani, Ronaldo, Varane, Bruno, Telles...it's a genuine farce. He is just Mou mark II without the shit-stirring.
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I agree. I think only Fernandes (from a crapper league) and Varane (world class) were the older players who you’d think yeah those are United type signings, also probably Cavani was great business and can’t argue with Ronaldo due to his stats
 
Interval said:
Surely after 3 different managers they’ve learnt that you can’t keep a guy around if the fans are generally done with him? It’s not like they can hide him under a blanket.

it’s all generally a bit dumb that we don’t have a plan in place as a contingency already. You’d think that a large organisation like this has plan B in case results go to shit. You’ve got highly paid PowerPoint nerds for exactly this.
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LVG and Mou hasn't scored a crucial goal around 20 years ago. They didn't speak about United DNA, work rate, belief and they certainly haven't employed half of SAF's squad. FFS this guy had turned more new pages then George RR Martin and had seen more new dawns then Connor Macleod

So here is what is going to happen. The board will stay silent while leaking to their lackeys (journalists, the youtube channel of the fat bearded guy etc) that its so difficult to find a new manager mid way through the season. Woodward and co will then wait for 1-2 good results so that they can show up with SIR proudly as of how they stuck to their minion like a proud father sticking to their not particularly good kid (sports wise) who just came home with his participation medal. If that doesn't happen then they will simply confirm the leaks. It would be basically within the lines of 'we knew and share your views about Ole but there was no one available to take his role'
 
Pogue Mahone said:
LDWWWLWDLL

LLWDLWLWDL

Pop quiz. Bottom results are Ole’s last 10 results at United. What are the top results?
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His last 10 results as Cardiff manager.

I knew this because I am super clever, not because these stats were posted in the thread yesterday.
 
pocco said:
Also a point he made, but if City or Real Madrid sacked their manager today, they would have Ten Hag, Rodgers or Poch appointed by the weekend.

The club are just playing us all for fools and we're making excuses for them.
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I wouldn't be sure about that. Real had to rely on some sub standard temp managers including Juande Ramos and Camacho. Sometimes the manager you want is simply not available.
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
I agree. I think only Fernandes (from a crapper league) and Varane (world class) were the older players who you’d think yeah those are United type signings, also probably Cavani was great business and can’t argue with Ronaldo due to his stats
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Don't get me wrong, love the big names and when top players come but, Bruno aside, all them look to have fitness issues to varying degrees.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
More that he made such a point of this new direction and then just went after established and expensive players. At least with Mou he didn't try and dress it up as anything else. We have this team waiting to get coached properly, its such a shame. Of course you can upgrade in places but most of these players are young 20's and should be kicking on their development, not regressing as they are.

Rashford ------- Greenwood ------- Sancho

------------- Bruno -- McT -- VdB -----------------
Shaw ----- Maguire ------ Varane ------ AWB
-------------------- Henderson ----------------------
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When did he make that point? I mean in the very first window we signed Maguire who was older and cost more than Bruno, also Ighalo as short term back up.

Maybe he made that point but I don't remember reading that. It sounded more like conclusion that fans reached based on couple of signings.
 
oreon said:
I thought the owners were supposed to be business savvy. So they're really gonna wait till UCL qualification is out of the picture before making a change. At that stage was the freakin point ? The reason to change now is to save the season and the millions of dollars UTD will loose if they fail to make UCL next season. Whatever the payout is for Ole and his staff, I guarantee is far less than the losses that will come from missing UCL football. And whatever losses will come, we know will be taken out of the transfer budget. And if there's no UCL, CR7 might leave, Cavani will unliklely resign and we know Pogba is a goner. So you will need to bring a striker, a CDM, Pogba replacement and a right back with reduced funds. Good luck with that.
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They were born into the wealth and opportunity they have…

They didn’t get there through good business decisions.

This is something people really need to understand.

They’ve inherited Man Utd, not bought it through ruthless pursuit or great business decisions.

Essentially, they own Utd through nepotism… and thus nepotism and cronyism is what runs through Man Utd, from the top down.

Think about that.
 
Full Member said:
15 point to Ole's 11.
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The preferential treatment Ole gets makes me dislike him as our manager.

It not his fault of course but Ole doesn't deserve more slack than Moyes LVG or Jose because he is a club legend.

I loved Ole the player but peoples inability to separate his playing ability from his managerial one is doing damage to the club.
 
Impact from missing out of top 4 (a certainty under Ole) can’t be ignored …

Financially but also player recruitment wise..

i really don’t know what the board is thinking!! It’s still enough time to salvage the season!! We can still challenge for top 3 finish and QL or SF of CL with a good coach!!
 
Utd heap said:
I think it's got more to do with our ownership than blahblah1999 on RedCafe mate.
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Nah I mean the press and all that as well mate.

In general he is given way easier a ride than our previous managers. Imagine Jose was in the Europa League 2 years in a row and won neither. The pitchforks would have been out. For Ole it didn't even matter.

Of course our owners are shit and that's our biggest problem overall but if there was more pressure on Ole over the last year's they would have given in and sacked him like they did the others.
 
laughtersassassin said:
The preferential treatment Ole gets makes me dislike him as our manager.

It not his fault of course but Ole doesn't deserve more slack than Moyes LVG or Jose because he is a club legend.

I loved Ole the player but peoples inability to separate his playing ability from his managerial one is doing damage to the club.
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It kind of is his fault though. He regularly combines his managerial time and playing days. Not to mention the spewing of the bullshit "passion and belief" and then talking about he wanted to play "attacking football" like we did in the past. He tugs on the heartstrings of reporters. He's a shit manager but he isn't dumb. He knows he has to do this or no one would support him as manager because nothing in his managerial career shows he should have the job.
 
Gurtej said:
Impact from missing out of top 4 (a certainty under Ole) can’t be ignored …

Financially but also player recruitment wise..

i really don’t know what the board is thinking!! It’s still enough time to salvage the season!! We can still challenge for top 3 finish and QL or SF of CL with a good coach!!
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Also Ronnie and many others will try to jump ship I'm sure
 
roonster09 said:
When did he make that point? I mean in the very first window we signed Maguire who was older and cost more than Bruno, also Ighalo as short term back up.

Maybe he made that point but I don't remember reading that. It sounded more like conclusion that fans reached based on couple of signings.
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I remember him saying it in a conference and after a quick google it sounds like he said it in the EOS awards in 18/19. Either way, loads of results came up with direct quotes and basically every outlet reporting it (there's way more than the below but I got bored).

MEN:
Although Solskjaer is still yet to be installed as the permanent manager, he has told executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward which areas of the squad need strengthening and has also identified the players to sell. The MEN understands the current regime has overseen a transfer strategy shift by targeting long-term recruits after former manager Jose Mourinho lobbied for mainly more experienced options.
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Mirror (I know):
Solskjaer was speaking at the club's end-of-season awards, where he reiterated that United's summer spending strategy would focus on signing young, up-and-coming players rather than marquee names.
The focus will be on players who play 'the United way', and there
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is a determination not to block the pathway for talented young players at the club.
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United changed their transfer policy at the end of last season, after a series of failed high-profile signings. Instead, the club opted to sign young, hungry players that have the potential to become United legends.
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Tribuna
As per the source, the Norwegian basically gave up on trying to build a proper team from what he had. The specialist urged the executive vice-chairman to focus on young and hungry players over underperforming highly-paid big names.
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Independent:
With former United manager Alex Ferguson believed to have increased influence following the arrival of his former student Solskjaer and the return of his old assistant manager Mike Phelan to the first team coaching set-up, United are now eager to return to a tried and tested formula in the transfer market. That involves signing the best young players in the world and developing a strategy for long-term success, rather than fixating on quick-fix and expensive solutions as Solskjaer prepares for his first summer transfer window as United manager.
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Talksport:
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has changed the transfer policy since his arrival at Old Trafford by focusing on a youthful approach over the marquee signings made in previous years.
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Direct from Phelan;
Manchester United still do want superstars but I think they want to see them coming through and progressing and being part of something special.
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I think the academy are doing is some really good work. They are progressing some young players. What they’ve got in a manager in Ole is someone that will give them every opportunity to play, which is great.
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Direct from Ole:
We’ve got to recruit smart, keep blooding the youngsters and we’’ll be fine.”
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“It comes to playing style and how we want to look in one, two years’ time. It's about finding players with the Man United identity and DNA.”
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There’s absolutely no way Ole doesn’t know he is way underqualified to be managing United. No way. I don’t buy this bullshite that he puts the club before himself. He is a pro, he was a liverpool fan in his childhood and jumped at the opportunity to play for United. These guys are not your average loyal supporters. They are doing what’s best for themselves. Those that think otherwise are living in wonderland where everything is milk and chocolate. Of course he won’t resign, why would he? He is basically freerolling. He’s putting in below par work while being paid more than Klopp. He is not dumb. He knows there are levels to management. He knows relegating Cardiff and spending 10 years managing in Norway are nowhere near close to the quality required to be managing United. He knew he had to emotionally manipulate the fanbase using buzzwords like DNA, United way, passion, desire, front foot, back in my playing days so they will support him.

Also, can someone explain what does it mean to put the club before yourself? Is Pep doing that at City? He hasn’t got City DNA so I doubt that, but they are doing pretty well. At United it is very clear that the club comes before Ole, as you can see judging by every metric.
 
Bratt said:
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As usual the headline figure doesn't tell the full story.

69% want him to leave immediately.
13% want to give a bit more time. (Whatever that means)
15% want to give him until the end of the season.
3% are keep him for long term.

Only a tiny minority still believe he is a good enough manager.
He is essentially a caretaker again until the board decide on a successor.
Unless he flukes another good run, then who knows what this board will do.
 
I really need to find a logical reason why the board go against what most of the fans ask for and still not convinced to sack Ole after not only dropping points we have had but also such two humiliating defeats with such a coward performance!
What is up there into their brains! If they have any?
 
devilish said:
LVG and Mou hasn't scored a crucial goal around 20 years ago. They didn't speak about United DNA, work rate, belief and they certainly haven't employed half of SAF's squad. FFS this guy had turned more new pages then George RR Martin and had seen more new dawns then Connor Macleod

So here is what is going to happen. The board will stay silent while leaking to their lackeys (journalists, the youtube channel of the fat bearded guy etc) that its so difficult to find a new manager mid way through the season. Woodward and co will then wait for 1-2 good results so that they can show up with SIR proudly as of how they stuck to their minion like a proud father sticking to their not particularly good kid (sports wise) who just came home with his participation medal. If that doesn't happen then they will simply confirm the leaks. It would be basically within the lines of 'we knew and share your views about Ole but there was no one available to take his role'
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Damn you, you don't know how close i came to spilling my coffee all over the laptop. :lol: :lol: :lol:

For what it's worth, i think that there's only one person that's keeping him in the job, and that person's surname isn't Glazer. I also think that the main reason Woodward retains a hands-off approach in this one is because the Mourinho fiasco had his name written all over it. Joel does what every billionaire, who's not an expert and only cares to make money, would do: He consults a right-hand man of the family and someone who's considered one of the best in the field.

The saddest thing is that our main rivals drop points too, they don't look unbeatable (unless they're playing us, of course). City often struggle to move up gears when they have to, and Liverpool have slipped on all potential banana peels thus far (except OT). There's a 15/16 feel to it, when we could have even won the league, if we had been more decisive.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I remember him saying it in a conference and after a quick google it sounds like he said it in the EOS awards in 18/19. Either way, loads of results came up with direct quotes and basically every outlet reporting it (there's way more than the below but I got bored).

MEN:

Mirror (I know):


Tribuna

Independent:

Talksport:


Direct from Phelan;



Direct from Ole:
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Who did he identify Harry Maguire and AWB? Wasn’t they on list?
 
minoo-utd said:
I really need to find a logical reason why the board go against what most of the fans ask for and still not convinced to sack Ole after not only dropping points we have had but also such two humiliating defeats with such a coward performance!
What is up there into their brains! If they have any?
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That bugs me too.
Fans want him gone
Some players (rumours?) want him gone.
Results are bad.
Performances are bad.
All football world (pundits, journos, fans) sending a message that it is obvious that we need a change.
Protests on the way
All United social media are bombed with oleout messages.

With sacking him they can buy peace to themselves for longer period. Really strange decision
 
Uniteddy said:
As usual the headline figure doesn't tell the full story.

69% want him to leave immediately.
13% want to give a bit more time. (Whatever that means)
15% want to give him until the end of the season.
3% are keep him for long term.

Only a tiny minority still believe he is a good enough manager.
He is essentially a caretaker again until the board decide on a successor.
Unless he flukes another good run, then who knows what this board will do.
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And that all adds up to 100%
In true Spinal Tap fashion, our poll goes up to 101%
 
This evening we will hear rumours about sacking. Then tomorrow during the day it will be breaking news about sacking. Later that day we will hear about Brendan becoming new manager.
I have a strong feeling about it.

I know that we want Ten Haag but you can't expect that this board do 2 things right in one day.
 
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