Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
    3,423
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MUFC OK said:
No we didn't - Ole finished 6th in his first season.
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My daft error, but the point remains, if Mourinho was sacked “because 4th was gone”, how did we end up 4th with 12 games to go?

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Fourth was very much still clearly achievable, but Mourinho was sacked because the board had strong reservations about whether he could turn it around. If they have the same reservations about Ole, and they fecking well should, as he is doing worse than Mourinho, then fourth place will not be in the most important factor in waiting to sack him.
 
If we are honest the people running the club deserve a football club that is shite. They don't have a clue.

Now they build an Old Boys club full of mates all protecting eachothers pockets
 
Solius said:
The year is 2053. Chelsea boss Mason Mount is sacked after a run of bad results. Meanwhile, Utd boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer says his team need a ‘reaction’ after a 7 - 0 loss to 11 times champions Newcastle.
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The month is Dec 2053. Damien asks Damien Jnr to create a thread on redcafe to point out Solius prediction was wrong. :drool:
 
Yes the recent results are humiliating and disastrous, but no need for us to be so down and out.
In this season itself, if Arsenal can go for a spectacular unbeaten run after a 0-5 drubbing by City, if Liverpool can win CL the year after losing 0-5 to City again, We, with Ole at the helm, can turn it around too.

Have faith.
 
sewey89 said:
That's a ridiculous take.

He clearly thinks he's up for the job. Because he has confidence in himself. He can love the club but still back himself and back the financial security of him family ffs.

This is part of the problem with our inept board though. The fans are turning on Ole, a man who is just trying to do his best and isn't good enough and a man who is a legend of our club. It's the board's fault that it has got this far.
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Ole is not only trying to do what's best for the club at this point, he is also trying to keep his job. This is skewing his tactics. As for him thinking that he is still up for the job, I don't doubt it. As I have said before, classic Dunning-Kruger effect. Some of his United mates need to have a word.
 
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sewey89 said:
That's a ridiculous take.

He clearly thinks he's up for the job. Because he has confidence in himself. He can love the club but still back himself and back the financial security of him family ffs.

This is part of the problem with our inept board though. The fans are turning on Ole, a man who is just trying to do his best and isn't good enough and a man who is a legend of our club. It's the board's fault that it has got this far.
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Of course it's the board's fault. They shouldn't have appointed him in the first place on a permanent basis.
We will smash Watford and all will say Ole's at the wheel and things have turned around. This club have too much quality in them not to win games. Franky it may be better if he lets the team decide how to play. And whom to select.
 
Make no mistake, Woodward’s ego trip and SAF’s vanity are the two reasons Ole still has support on the board.

A board that deserves nothing other than the club to fall to ruin.
 
Revaulx said:
Like 'em or not, both those clubs have been consistently successful for years. So maybe they are the ones doing it right.


Fair enough, but don't you think that if the "executives" had at least a passing interest in football they'd have a network of contacts that would be able to secure them a decent interim? Or at least not give a manager a three year contract extension while doubts remained over his long-term suitability?
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It has nothing to do with liking them or not, the point is about the personal relationship that Hoeness and Abramovich have with Hiddink and Heynckes, you can't make that out of nothing, it's not something that you replicate. And no I don't think that any of what you wrote is true, it's not for other clubs and it won't be for United, clubs all around the world misjudge managers and find themselves scrambling for replacements what often happen is that they give it to a youth coach or someone linked to the club but that doesn't have the quality or experience.
 
That's it now anyway, might as well end the season now. Players look totally shot.
 
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hobbers said:
Make no mistake, Woodward’s ego trip and SAF’s vanity are the two reasons Ole still has support on the board.
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SAF as a manager made this club what it is. After he retired he has done a lot of damage too by getting Moyes to replace him and now backing Ole.
 
Guess we have to now rely on player power to get him out. Fans will be ignored and I think we will just about do enough to get through in the CL.

I hate it has come to this but Ole and those above him are completely useless. This is one time I will happily have him pushed out, maybe the board also want this so they can say they were behind him 100% but it has become untenable. Sounds like the type of shithousery they'd pull off to save face.
 
At this point I'm looking forward to the Super League and self-destruction of the Premier League. Something inherently wrong with football if some Yank that inherited billions from his gangster father can destroy a club and continue to roll in the money. Just start from scratch.
 
Even Sir Alex needs to be removed from any and all involvements in decision making of the club. No one is making decisions in the interest of the club.
 
laughtersassassin said:
If we are honest the people running the club deserve a football club that is shite. They don't have a clue.

Now they build an Old Boys club full of mates all protecting eachothers pockets
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This is one of the biggest problems!
 
yipthatman said:
That's fine but he probably shouldn't pretend that he loves the club then. Seriously, it's only money. You can't put a price on dignity. If he truly wants what's best for the club he should walk because those clowns are not going to sack him because of the pay out. It's going to get messy from here on out no doubt.
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Yes, it’s only 8m or so. I would really love to see all these people on Caf saying that it’s nothing in a situation where they are asked to forego 1/10 of this amount because this is what you should do “if you love the club”. Notwithstanding the above, I really think that OGS truly believes that he is capable o turning the whole situation around and be successful with Man United. It’s completely crazy and will not happen but this is the mindset of most pro athletes.
 
He is not getting sacked and people need to accept it.

He has too many supporters in the Board and nothing is going to affect that.

They will carry on in the hope that he will turn things around
 
No wonder Gary was sounded so confident that Ole wasn't going to be sacked after the 2-0 v city, he must have some insider knowledge from his mate fletch.
 
lsd said:
He is not getting sacked and people need to accept it.

He has too many supporters in the Board and nothing is going to affect that.

They will carry on in the hope that he will turn things around
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Then can quite easily walk away until he's gone from this club
 
lsd said:
He is not getting sacked and people need to accept it.

He has too many supporters in the Board and nothing is going to affect that.

They will carry on in the hope that he will turn things around
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Yeah he seems a lot harder to sack than Mourinho due to this. We are in big trouble.
 
VP89 said:
I'm curious to know the difference in cost vs benefit when looking at keeping Ole and not getting Champions League vs sacking Ole and staying in top 4, which is far more plausible if you bring in a caretaker. They can talk about lack of options but most unemployed managers are an upgrade on him.
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Most unemployed managers are shoddy and definitely worse than Ole which isn't to say that Ole is remotely good. Some of them are probably better but are they interested in a caretaking job and are they interesting enough for a mid term contract? And there is no guarantee to get a CL qualification, so the cost vs benefit will be skewed toward what you know which is the cost of sacking the manager while having no guarantee to mitigate it with better results.

You are asking the board to take a risk that has a high chance of costing almost twice as much, it would have made sense for Conte but now that he isn't available it's difficult to justify it rationally. Would you do that for Howe without sweating profusely?
 
devips said:
Yes the recent results are humiliating and disastrous, but no need for us to be so down and out.
In this season itself, if Arsenal can go for a spectacular unbeaten run after a 0-5 drubbing by City, if Liverpool can win CL the year after losing 0-5 to City again, We, with Ole at the helm, can turn it around too.

Have faith.
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We have as much chance of turning around as Harry Maguire does when his back's facing the goal.
 


Was there anything of note in that article (paywalled)?
 
pcaming said:
Even Sir Alex needs to be removed from any and all involvements in decision making of the club. No one is making decisions in the interest of the club.
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This is a bit of an awkward thing to come to terms with but I completely agree. Woodward has rightly been singled out for his awful management of the club, but even SAF shouldn't escape criticism for his involvement in hiring and protecting his friends at the club. We need a clean slate at the board/executive level, and frankly we can't move on and improve unless we shed this "United DNA/Way" nonsense that's acted as a barrier for progress.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
My daft error, but the point remains, if Mourinho was sacked “because 4th was gone”, how did we end up 4th with 12 games to go?

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Fourth was very much still clearly achievable, but Mourinho was sacked because the board had strong reservations about whether he could turn it around. If they have the same reservations about Ole, and they fecking well should, as he is doing worse than Mourinho, then fourth place will not be in the most important factor in waiting to sack him.
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It shouldn't have been achievable, 11 pts is a hell of a lot to make up but we went on a miraculous run after changing the manager. The benchmark should never have been to only get top 4 this season anyway, after we did that the last 2 years and have added Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane, with the other players in the squad having another year under their belt.

Aside from an absolute points total, we look totally disjointed and have just been schooled at home by both of our biggest rivals - at what point do we say that we should be legitimately challenging them? If it's not this season with this squad I'm not sure when it ever will be.

We are now in the territory of undoing the good work that Ole has done - players regressing and football as dire as ever. We don't respond to set backs and don't get a performance when we are in desperately in need of one. Why, as a club should we accept the standards of Spurs or Arsenal or any team for whom top 4 is a successful season with the embarrassment of riches that we currently have?
 
Foden should have finished that chance in the second half. Maybe a humiliating scoreline would have resulted in the sacking.
 
devips said:
Yes the recent results are humiliating and disastrous, but no need for us to be so down and out.
In this season itself, if Arsenal can go for a spectacular unbeaten run after a 0-5 drubbing by City, if Liverpool can win CL the year after losing 0-5 to City again, We, with Ole at the helm, can turn it around too.

Have faith.
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We got hammered at home by our greatest rivals, we got beat by City while they were in second gear and we couldn't lay a glove on them, embarrassed by Leicester, played the weakest opposition in our first run of fixtures compared to our rivals and still couldn't get a result against most of those teams, we lost 2 goals in the first half at OT against Atalanta the first time we have ever conceded 2 goals at home in the first half of a CL game and not scored. Doesnt know his style of play, doesnt know the right tactics to play, hopes for individual brilliance to save him over and over again, couldnt tell his best 11.

What makes you think he has any chance of turning around? Genuinely asking as I don't see what his fans see.

Of all the teams in the Premier League is there any team who would employ him if he wasn’t at Man Utd? Infact is there any team in the league who would take Ole over their own manager?
 
I think you should all relax, the players will force him out, as they always do.
Sancho will soon unrest because he is not playing, Pogba will soon announce he's leaving and the whole shit will crumble.
 
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We're going to see this sort of tweet a lot until the end of the season aren't we. These media outlets might as well prepare a template - "#MUFC have no plans to replace Solskjaer after loss against {insert_team_here}, Solskjaer fully expected to be in charge of game against {insert_team_here}".
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I know. They are desperate to keep him, the longer it goes the less money they pay, but they also have to remember that if we do not get CL football it will lose them money anyway. The fact that he will not change his coaching team is going to cost him his job in the end anyway.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the coaches were nothing to do with Ole. Its just an experiment of how many ex and present Utd coaches/players they can squeeze in because...its the Utd way! If true Ole wouldn't want to kick up a fuss 3 years ago because he wanted the world to think hes the man.
 
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