Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
    3,423
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No self-respecting manager would stay if the players are starting to question his ability. The toxicity of this situation will eventually lead to Ole’s sacking.
I suspect it will come at the price of CL qualification this season.
 
Tom Cato said:
Ornstein has a stiffy every time there is something to criticize Ole for, I doubt he'd make that up.

Of course they would promptly drive Ole to the airport if Sir Alex put on a kilt and took training
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I agree, I wasn't insinuating that Ornstein was lying. More that I think his piece was an opinion piece, rather than him being told something. Unless I'm mistaken, he's said that the feeling is that there is no plans to change it before the next game. Sky have taken that and said that they've been told.

I may be wrong. And i'm 100% clutching.
 
Water Melon said:
Remember when some of the posters were calling for not extending his contract until X-mas? They were absolutely right to do so. Good luck now to moving a manager who has more than 30 months left on his contract. Well fooking done.
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And we were told it was stupid moaning and that if Ole failed it wouldn't make a difference to sacking him. As always those claiming 'reasonableness' were just taking an agenda driven stance that was obviously wrong for the club.
 
JPRouve said:
Well the situation was different because Ole was creating a toxi environment which I mentioned in the post you quoted. In that scenario, you sack the manager and scramble to find whoever wants to take the caretaking job. The goal wasn't to perform at a high level this season but get rid of Mourinho.
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I agree and unfortunately that should not be the only criteria to sack someone (even if they handed a new contract). However seems that's the only way our club runs. Fkng us over at every turn with greed and incompetence.
 
yipthatman said:
This is where Ole loses my respect completely. He and his team are just walking round singing 'self-preservation society'. He should save some dignity and walk at this point. Piece take.
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Na I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to give up millions of pounds as a payout.
 
DRJosh said:
No self-respecting manager would stay if the players are starting to question his ability. The toxicity of this situation will eventually lead to Ole’s sacking.
I suspect it will come at the price of CL qualification this season.
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He's not going to walk away. It's on the board to get rid and pay him off.
 
Resch said:
Ole will tell the board, that they know the problems and need time/ training to solve them. And he had not enough time with the team because they had to recover. Or any other excuse.
The problem is, that this team can win a couple of matches just because of the talent, but under Ole this team will win nothing.
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It's one of the few things Ole is good at which is feeding the board and the fans lies. We have even seen it happen with players like promising VDB and Lingard game time and deliberately sabotaging the former's future.
 
JPB said:
People living in England, especially the ones in Manchester need to protest outside Old Trafford now and make it clear that we want a new manager. They were quick enough to do it with the super League bullshit. They should do the same now. I know I would be there if I was in England.
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Small sections of booing after being humiliated at home by our two biggest rivals is being majorly frowned upon. Nobody is going to protest against our darling Ole.
 
kps88 said:
Na I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to give up millions of pounds as a payout.
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Maybe he can tell the Board that he will tender his resignation and work out a severance based on it. That's such a common theme in corporates. I am surprised why people think he will walk away with nothing if he resigns. He may not get the whole amount he would have if he was sacked, but he sure as feck will walk away with a lot of dignity and legacy in tact.
 
JPB said:
People living in England, especially the ones in Manchester need to protest outside Old Trafford now and make it clear that we want a new manager. They were quick enough to do it with the super League bullshit. They should do the same now. I know I would be there if I was in England.
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Wasn't the Super League being protested though was it? Surely you people must know this by now?
 
sewey89 said:
He's not going to walk away. It's on the board to get rid and pay him off.
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I know he's not going to and as I said, this is where he completely loses my respect. He hasn't even got enough knowledge to realise that he isn't up to the job. Classic Dunning-kruger effect. Incompetence at it's finest.
 
Just hoping that tweet from Sky is similar to what Jackson reported (reliable at the time) the day before Jose got sacked
 
kps88 said:
Na I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to give up millions of pounds as a payout.
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It's money from the club he loves so i really would expect him to not consider that.

The position that is perhaps understandable is that his resignation doesn't just impact himself but his staff too. He'll do everything he can to keep his dream alive and not get his staff sacked.
 
Smores said:
It's money from the club he loves so i really would expect him to not consider that.

The position that is perhaps understandable is that his resignation doesn't just impact himself but his staff too. He'll do everything he can to keep his dream alive and not get his staff sacked.
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He is basically stealing from the supporters at this point.
 
How can the club stick by him through this. I bet privately Ole is hoping to be sacked at this point.

This club is poison, really impacting my mental health at this point!
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Literally every one with a brain said that. Whether you were Ole in or out it made sense not to rush it - he was going nowhere, we got burnt badly last time we renewed him, same for Mou…everyone clamouring for it was solely doing it because they wanted to be ‘right’ and not for the good of the club.
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Smores said:
And we were told it was stupid moaning and that if Ole failed it wouldn't make a difference to sacking him. As always those claiming 'reasonableness' were just taking an agenda driven stance that was obviously wrong for the club.
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Exactly. Now, it will all be about huge payout and no top manager being available, as we did not do our due homework and have put everyone's balls into one rotten basket.
 
JPRouve said:
But you realize that it's uncommon? The relationshio that Hiddink or Heynckes have with Chelsea and Bayern executives are abnormal. I totally get people frustration but we shouldn't disengage our logic, clubs rarely have contingency plans for October sackings, there is no surplus of quality managers that are conveniently waiting for your call.
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Like 'em or not, both those clubs have been consistently successful for years. So maybe they are the ones doing it right.

Now I think that Ole should have been let go this summer, to me it seemed that he was at the end of his journey at United but the moment you extend him, you are in a different scenario and there is next to no way to deal with him quickly. People need to show some common sense when they make suggestions about how things should be handled, there is a massive difference between what any of us think as fans and how we would act as executives, no executive will quickly take a decision that is going to cost the club a dozen of millions.
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Fair enough, but don't you think that if the "executives" had at least a passing interest in football they'd have a network of contacts that would be able to secure them a decent interim? Or at least not give a manager a three year contract extension while doubts remained over his long-term suitability?
 
I thought people here were exaggerating when they said the Utd board was happy with top 4 and nothing more. Turns out they were right!

Man Utd are now elite only because of their finances. I'm surprised, as that has to hurt the club's value in the long term.
 
The year is 2053. Chelsea boss Mason Mount is sacked after a run of bad results. Meanwhile, Utd boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer says his team need a ‘reaction’ after a 7 - 0 loss to 11 times champions Newcastle.
 
yipthatman said:
This is where Ole loses my respect completely. He and his coaching team are just walking round singing 'self-preservation society'. He should save some dignity and walk at this point. Piece take.
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He probably believes he can still turn it around.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Think the same again. 2 losses in those 3 games would make it untenable. I think he’ll do the same, win one, draw one and lose one and he’ll limp on with the bare minimum
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He's basically like an old dog who is on his last legs.
He can't stand up properly, so he is pissing and crapping on the carpet while his loved one's hold his body upright. They all know it's over, but nobody has the guts to pull the plug.
 
yipthatman said:
I know he's not going to and as I said, this is where he completely loses my respect. He hasn't even got enough knowledge to realise that he isn't up to the job. Classic Dunning-kruger effect. Incompetence at it's finest.
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It's ridiculous of fans to expect him to walk away from millions of pounds.
 
We are not a top club and the owners do not care about competing for the top trophies, the club makes them money for doing the bare minimum and they are happy with that.

Ole's job is safe unless we miss out on the top four.

A well run club would not have made him permanent manager.

A well run club would not have kept him on after losing the Europa League Final.

A well run club would not have offered him a new contract for achieving nothing.

This club has no fecking ambition and he's not getting sacked anytime soon.
 
sunama said:
Given that we are now struggling for 5th/6th, I would suggest that we aren't a top 4 club and that we are a top 6 club.
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A top 6 club just sacked their manager after losing 0-3 to us at home. Top 6 is genuinely generous.

Anyone saying we have a chance at top 4 with this guy in charge is deluded. We won't make top 10 the way it's going.

It reminds me of Mounrinho's last season at Chelsea.
 
Knew it, the man is untouchable. He's got people fighting his corner in the back.

Never seen a club wait until the season is pretty much written off and everything turning toxic before acting.

It's going to get much, much worse. Until Ole turns into a villain for the fans and the players
 
Chelsea sacked Lampard and they won the CL. Yes there may not be anyone around to take over from him like Ten Hag but I don't think Rodgers will turn it down if offered right now.
People say give him time. We have already given him 3 years and millions of pounds of players and he has got worse. All these players would have to be replaced after a certain period and we will have to spend another millions to replace them. It's a never ending cycle and we won't win anything under an incompetent manager like Ole.
Pep has been making jokes about not running with the ball but making the ball move. Ole has no clue how to coach a football team. The sooner the club sack the whole lot, the better it is.
 
sewey89 said:
It's ridiculous of fans to expect him to walk away from millions of pounds.
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That's fine but he probably shouldn't pretend that he loves the club then. Seriously, it's only money. You can't put a price on dignity. If he truly wants what's best for the club he should walk because those clowns are not going to sack him because of the pay out. It's going to get messy from here on out no doubt.
 
Oh boy I took a long haul flight with a hope to see him gone when I land and he’s still there, what a way to start a day
 
JPRouve said:
Of course but they did and that's pointless to say that when we are talking about how you handle things right now.
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I know. They are desperate to keep him, the longer it goes the less money they pay, but they also have to remember that if we do not get CL football it will lose them money anyway. The fact that he will not change his coaching team is going to cost him his job in the end anyway.
 
Solius said:
The year is 2053. Chelsea boss Mason Mount is sacked after a run of bad results. Meanwhile, Utd boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer says his team need a ‘reaction’ after a 7 - 0 loss to 11 times champions Newcastle.
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And Alexandre Cristiano Ronaldo scored a hat trick for Newcastle. Just like his grandfather Cristiano dos Santos Ronaldo graced the PL, Alexandre is on his way too.
 
JPRouve said:
Ole just got extended for three years, you need to take that into account, from the executives point of view sacking someone a couple a month after a 3 years extension is quick, it's very quick and costly. And since there is no obvious candidate available, that decision is particularly difficult to take since no currently available candidate gives you any indication that he is better than the current managers above us, Conte was on paper the best option but it's not there anymore.

I'm not suggesting that keeping him is the right move, I'm simply highlighting the fact that it's not an obvious or easy decision. Unless things become toxic it makes sense that the board would give Ole as mush rope as they can, now the alternative would be if for example someone like Zidane or ten hag make themselves available immediately.
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I'm curious to know the difference in cost vs benefit when looking at keeping Ole and not getting Champions League vs sacking Ole and staying in top 4, which is far more plausible if you bring in a caretaker. They can talk about lack of options but most unemployed managers are an upgrade on him.
 
PlayerOne said:
Knew it, the man is untouchable. He's got people fighting his corner in the back.

Never seen a club wait until the season is pretty much written off and everything turning toxic before acting.

It's going to get much, much worse. Until Ole turns into a villain for the fans and the players
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Yeah that day in March 2019 when he got appointed I always thought jeez this will be the hardest sacking ever for them
 
NK86 said:
I agree and unfortunately that should not be the only criteria to sack someone (even if they handed a new contract). However seems that's the only way our club runs. Fkng us over at every turn with greed and incompetence.
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But that's my point, it's not the only criteria bu it's a big one particularly when there is no mid to long term alternatives or someone that would definitely outperform the likes of Conte, Tuchel, Guardiola, Klopp or even Moyes. And there is no way, that you(NK86) wouldn't take into account the timing of the contract extension when you think about sacking the manager, we need to be consistent and realistic here. It's neither greed nor incompetence, it would make no sense to sack him without thinking about it and giving him more time than you would in a different context, that's how Benitez lasted until January for Madrid. The only reason you say that is because your words have no consequences.

And I will reiterate my overarching point, the extension and the lack of quality mid term manager means that the club will logically need more time to pull the trigger, as long as things aren't toxic behind the scene. It's frustrating for us, the fans, but the extensions were always going to create that scenario unless the board is made of lunatics like Zamperini.
 
yipthatman said:
That's fine but he probably shouldn't pretend that he loves the club then. Seriously, it's only money. You can't put a price on dignity. If he truly wants what's best for the club he should walk because those clowns are not going to sack him because of the pay out. It's going to get messy from here on out no doubt.
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That's a ridiculous take.

He clearly thinks he's up for the job. Because he has confidence in himself. He can love the club but still back himself and back the financial security of him family ffs.

This is part of the problem with our inept board though. The fans are turning on Ole, a man who is just trying to do his best and isn't good enough and a man who is a legend of our club. It's the board's fault that it has got this far.
 
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