Yes the de facto CEO controls transfers. Indeed that is why he is de facto CEO. And he is an accountant who prioritises the Glazers' cash stream. Glad we agree.
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Yes the de facto CEO controls transfers. Indeed that is why he is de facto CEO. And he is an accountant who prioritises the Glazers' cash stream. Glad we agree.
You're underestimating the power of "Moments Fc"
Which is normal at other clubs too.
No, we're "not the result we wanted FC"
25th October
Truth. The defining feature of Ole's reign is that we'll go on a run where we get results and look quite good, usually when it's looking worst for both him and the club. Inevitably we'll have a bad run again.
At least we do get the good runs, though. I seem to remember a defining feature of life under at the very least Moyes, and probably LvG, was that we never went on any kind of sustained run. The end result might be quite similar to Ole, but we got to feel like a good club for a bit.
I'm sure it is. The difference is that some clubs actually want to win silverware more than they want to provide a monthly income to a bunch of American parasites. That is a United specific problem. And the problem is not the amount spent - thoigh that is a problem too. The problem is the distortion that introduces into our transfer choices and our choice of manager.
I really hope the 2nd is true....
He may get the odd result where he looks like he's turned the tide, as he always does, but we will then slump straight back into mediocre, boring, clueless football. I think we win vs Liverpool and City, as he seems to have a knack of doing this when under pressure. It will then paper over the cracks securing him many more months. This is the wrong approach, ALL games need to be reviewed and surely not winning the games we should be winning, or terrible performances game after game is more concerning
I see him going ultra defensive to try and salvage draws. Therefore even more dour football than we've had served up recently
He needs to go.
DM is the only excuse left, some will run wild with it now... It never ends.
Doesn’t really matter when, it won’t be soon enough. But the smart money says once he can’t get top four.
It's quite a big reason. But bad coaching and lack of a coherent and modern playing style also play a role
They gave him a 3+1 contract in the summer. He's not going anywhere soon, unless it gets untenable. Strap yourselves in for a long slow death.
Id argue the big reason is the coaching. The lack of a world class DM plays a role.
He’s done a decent job overall. I don’t like the idea of sacking him but I’m worried the good work could be starting to be undone.
...not soon enough.
I agree with you about the owners but what can we do, sadly. But my issue with them has been not putting in place mechanisms which would've helped when it came to succession planning. And we only started that process when Moyes arrived and quickly realised that the clubs scouting/analytics departments were almost non existent when compared to our rivals. It's reported we only had one full time scout after Martin Ferguson retired along with SAF. And all the information that other clubs have in data bases when it comes to scouting players, was stored in Jim Lawlor's head at United after Moyes asked where the information on transfer targets was stored according to reports. So we had to rely on managers running the whole football department which is what I believe caused us much problems. Some very good players were let go of prematurely all in the name of a rebuild, and that due to the club giving too much control to the manager.
We're in a position now where we don't need to give the manager control and can hire a head coach who should mostly concentrate on developing a system of play on the training ground that will hopefully manifest itself on match days. But I do agree with you that the owners have been bad and I've said many times on here that they're incompetent.
If we get comprehensively turned over and embarrassed at OT vs Liverpool on Sunday, that could be the switch flicked by the board.
@Raoul can you open the voting so we can change? I’m sure there will be some swings. Suspect more will want Ole gone if we don’t get 3 points against Atalanta.
I’m assuming the opposition fans have all voted ’give him more time’
This club is run by clowns.
Culture builder. Is there any stat with the top 5 Culture builders in Europe? I’m not very familiar with this trait, but maybe we can snatch someone from that list.I thought coaching was about tactics and man management, but reading redcafe I’ve learned that culture building and vibes are equally if not more important as them. I guess while we live we learn.
I have no idea how soon but for sure he will be gone by christmas.
Being gifted the greatest manager in history has also cursed us with the most incompetent board in history of football. Now that's karma, balancing of the Universe and what not. fecking hell.
Next Sunday evening or Monday morning.
Liverpool are on fire, we're a shambles. A severe beating at Old Trafford will be the final straw.
Either then or before the Watford match to give the new manager a "soft" start.
Liverpool are on fire, we're a shambles. A severe beating at Old Trafford will be the final straw.
Either then or before the Watford match to give the new manager a "soft" start.
Yes
It's actually true. No elite level sports team has such an incompetent ownership as ours. I'd wager not even lower tier bottom of the bin teams suffer from this type of incompetence. It's a circus only the clowns are being paid millions.
That would be entirely inline with how woodward operates, from players to managers
It's a shame that other great teams such as Real, Bayern, Juve don't have karma like this.
I'll bet £400 either during the season or after.
He will not be our manager come next season.
God help whoever that poor sod will be.
He will not be our manager come next season.
God help whoever that poor sod will be.
He’ll be gone when it’s too late to redeem anything from this season, and just after the last remaining decent manager has been snapped up by a big club.
See, usually I would agree with you, but I think we will roll over Liverpool and this will be touted as a turning point and Ole will keep his job and this crappy merry go round will continue. I was 100% sure we would lose to Leicester and now I'm 100% wi will scrape a win at Liverpool. This has the 3-2 vs Newcastle that kept Jose in his job for another month written all over it.
After the dippers humiliate us and klopp mockingly dances infront of the stretford end.
The biggest joke if that happens is we would ve 7 points behind Liverpool with the season over for us. 7 points is too much to claw back with city chelsea and liverpool blasting the league right now. It shows how pathetic the board are, the footballing director and everyone sitting in a chair at this club. My brother is a liverpool fan and 7 years ago said United will not win a league for 20 years plus, especially with these owners. Obviously i denied it, but its a reality. All we need is to be getting top 4, owners have there cash. The problem now is Newcastle in 5 years will overtake us, we dont have the desire from a board level to operate as a football club, its just about money. Ole should of gone a lomg time ago, whoever decided to give him a contract in the summer, should be sacked. The man is a joke as a manager, 3 yrs in, one of the best squads in the world and we cannot even strimg two passes together. Ill say it once, 1 point in 9 against villa, Everton and Leicester. Last year he hoped for a last min draw or win, its not working now, his patterns of play have no value, teams now know how to scare us. Leicester did it, put two at top to terror Lindeloff and Maguire and 5 at back to prevent any meaningful into the box. They know our midfield is pathetic, it takes one pass to cut them open.
Why?
You will have Neville and the other mates saying you cant judge him after those 2 games, hes expected to lose these.
See I don't think they are incompetent at all. They are actually incredibly good at achieving their aims. It's just that their aim is to maximise their own cashflow whereas ours as football fans is to win stuff. They take us for fools because we still give them our money. And they are right.
End of the day they are all different facets of the same problem - the club is a money first football second place. Which is exactly what Klopp said about us and why he never would have come here.
I’m just wearied by the number of threads people need to post anti-Ole sentiment in. It’s a matter of time before someone creates threads for “How” “Why” and “Where” will Ole be sacked.
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